New USA requirements in addition to the form 4457

[BRICKBURN]

Certainly going to have to be some policy interpretation on this one.

Technically, we (Canadians etc, Foreigners) are supposed to have a US State Department Permit to transit our firearms through the USA on a plane.
It is never enforced and would be totally ludicrous to do so.
It is on the books though and looks about as insane as this new policy.

I hope you guys get it worked out.

 

[BRICKBURN]

Keep reading...that's just sub letter (c) with a list through (u). For example:


(s) Zimbabwe. It is the policy of the United States to deny licenses or other approvals for exports or imports of defense articles and defense services destined for or originating in Zimbabwe, except that a license or other approval may be issued, on a case-by-case basis, for the temporary export of firearms and ammunition for personal use by individuals (not for resale or retransfer, including to the Government of Zimbabwe). Such exports may meet the licensing exemptions of §123.17 of this subchapter.

Did not read to the end. Thx.

 

[bc3141s]

I am surprised no one has mentioned the limitations for all "exports" to .50 caliber. There goes the .577 and similar large bore caliber!

What is required when traveling internationally with firearms and/or ammunition for personal use in recreational activities such as hunting and shooting sports competitions?


Any removal of firearms and/or ammunition from the U.S. for any period of time is considered an “export” and requires compliance with all applicable laws and regulations. 22 C.F.R. § 123.17 allows U.S. persons to export temporarily from the United States without a license not more than three (3) nonautomatic/semi-automatic firearms in Category I(a) of the United States Munitions List (rifles and pistols up to .50 caliber ) and not more than 1,000 cartridges therefor, provided that...

 

[Wheels]

My apologies to all for the multiple first time posts, but I think I have finally reached my breaking point.

Note the bullet quoted above, so is this an end to all multiple country safaris? I just went on one last year and know dozens who have done the same. What about the common overnight in South Africa...technically that is entering another country? Clearly a cluster-f.

No apologies needed. Appreciate you doing all this leg work.

Glad to have you participating.

 

[brushmore]

I am certainly no lawyer, not even close, but I don't see how this is even legal. It seems their justification for this is because taking your hunting rifle with you to a different country is considered an "export". Using this logic, it would mean anything else I take with me as a personal item would be classified as an "export" as well? The dictionary calls an export "send (goods or services) to another country for sale." So I am calling BS on this whole thing.

If I can shoot holes in this thing I am sure a real lawyer could easily take this apart.

 

[Areaonereal]

We are transporting guns, not exporting.....as long as the weapons are returned I would think that as the true definition of export would not apply..this was a point brought up by my son that was involved in the export of commodities with a Fortune 50 company for fives years in the international cargo and logistic area.

 

[Areaonereal]

This could apply referencing my above comment.......There is such a type of export that is a Temporary exportation(bonded) and designed for the return thru a Temporary importation, thus lifting the bond. this is acomplished only thru customs brokers. So would this be the interpretation and "redistribution of wealth" by requiring another expense for the "privilege" of hunting in foreign lands......I believe certain knives and scopes are restricted export items, would they also be included in these regulations?

 

[Wheels]

Just a thought/concern.

1. If this law goes into effect.
2. You travel out of the country with a firearm.
3. The firearm is stolen while out of the country.

What are the consequences?

I realize there are probably no answers now........just something simple minds ponder.

 

[BRICKBURN]

.................I believe certain knives and scopes are restricted export items, would they also be included in these regulations?

Rifle Scopes; named "Optical Weapons Systems" in the governments parlance and Firearms all fit in the Cdn. governments definition of "Temporary Export". So, I'll bet that you will have to start adding scopes onto your online form soon enough.

 

[Areaonereal]

Rifle Scopes; named "Optical Weapons Systems" in the governments parlance and Firearms all fit in the Cdn. governments definition of "Temporary Export". So, I'll bet that you will have to start adding scopes onto your online form soon enough.

Camo and boots will be the next agenda

 

[James.Grage]

It appears that this is along the lines that California was traveling a few years ago of guns.

This will be interesting on traveling with shotgun(s) internationally.

They are larger that 50 cal.

 

[BRICKBURN]

Camo and boots will be the next agenda

I want to laugh, but.....

 

[BRICKBURN]

It appears that this is along the lines that California was traveling a few years ago of guns.

This will be interesting on traveling with shotgun(s) internationally.

They are larger that 50 cal.

If the guys in charge can not differentiate between caliber and gauge you are in real trouble.

 

[spike.t]

The firearms may not be exported to multiple countries during the same trip or to a country other than the end-destination declared in the Electronic Export Information

this part about only being able to go to the one country sounds bad...........unless you are hunting in SA and fly direct in there you are fine, but how are you going to get anywhere else, zim, moz, zambia etc?

 

[BRICKBURN]

this part about only being able to go to the one country sounds bad...........unless you are hunting in SA and fly direct in there you are fine, but how are you going to get anywhere else, zim, moz, zambia etc?

Indeed, how to you get to any African country through Europe or any other intermediary?
We are all required to have permits in several intermediary/transit countries. Frankfurt until recently, Amsterdam/Holland, etc.

I hope common sense rises to the top. (I know, I may be delusional)

 

[johnnyblues]

The way that I read it and after taking their short quiz is that as long as it is personal firearms and you have less than 1000 rounds of ammo you should be OK without more paperwork.

https://www.ice.gov/exec/ice-gov/cpiquiz.htm

Great I was not understanding what I needed to do. I went on all the sites and couldn't for the life of me figure out if I had to do something or if this was something for exporters.

 

[brushmore]

Great I was not understanding what I needed to do. I went on all the sites and couldn't for the life of me figure out if I had to do something or if this was something for exporters.

Sorry, according to the FAQ that is not correct. You won't need a license but you do need to declare your firearms/ammo through AES. That's the problem. You can't access this system, only an exporter can.

 

[johnnyblues]

Sorry, according to the FAQ that is not correct. You won't need a license but you do need to declare your firearms/ammo through AES. That's the problem. You can't access this system, only an exporter can.

Now what?

 

[johnnyblues]

I just left a message for SSI and see if they can shed any light on this.

 

[brushmore]

Now what?

I am leaving in next month and I was told by my local customs office and was told "don't worry about" since they aren't enforcing this until next year. Not sure if I like that answer which is why I am keeping an eye on all of this. Keep contacting your congressman, NRA, SCI, etc...