How will the looting in Durban impact SA hunting?

What's the air temperature there? If it's cold, just bring out the water cannons and flush them off the streets. Saw that done elsewhere and it worked famously.
 
This is all good information, as I'm certain there are a number of folks on this site who will need to make decisions over the coming days and weeks. Sounds like the rioting is primarily in KZN (for now) and Gauteng; but I wonder about travel between OR Tambo and the various safari-related hotels in the area, for those who will need to overnight on the way in or out of country. Shootists' information regarding AfricaSky being an example of what I would think members here would be interested in knowing.

Looking forward to reading more from those of you currently on the ground there. And stay safe!
 
Looks like a lot of looters are paying the price. This article says ten were crushed to death in a looting frenzy and other places experienced the same.

 
Wheels up for Limpopo in two days.


I hope the SANDF does some serious ass kicking between now and when we land. But as of today, we are going.

We're wheels up in 2 days as well... headed to NW province..

I've been talking to former SADF SOF guys I know as well as some former SAPS Flying Squad guys.. in addition to our PH/Outfitter.. Things are certainly not great in the country.. but for now Im not seeing any reason to not travel to SA.. The airport area seems to be secure.. the major highways in and out of Joberg seem to be secure.. and there are no reports of violence or problems that I am aware of in the provinces most commonly visited by international hunters..
 
What's the air temperature there? If it's cold, just bring out the water cannons and flush them off the streets. Saw that done elsewhere and it worked famously.
No water cannons....they dont even have enough fire engines
 
Looters are criminals, dangerous criminals. You can't reason with these people, you have to stop them, period, or it just goes on until there is nothing left. There is no cause being fought for that can be assuaged, this is plain theft, base instinct as Tanks said.
 
This is a map showing the hotspots in the JHB area at the moment. I have highlighted the airport.
I would travel no problem.



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Said in the tone of voice of Tim Blake Nelson about the tire swing, in Oh Brother Where Art Thou:

"That's a lot of hotspots."
You don't want to see the KZN map.....
 
Not sure about Ripcord but may be a good idea to enlist @Global Rescue and subscribe to their security option.
 
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For all our members and their families in the affected areas, stay safe. Also remember that when this is over, there will be a lot of highly placed people looking for scapegoats. Make sure you don't give them the chance to make a Rittenhouse or a McCloskey out of you.
 
Arrived last night in JNB. Everything went smoothly as usual with immigration and clearing guns. Great night at Africa Sky. We’ve decided to charter to our Kalahari camp to avoid all the rioting and potential road closures going on. TV reports look just like our US cities that have been destroyed. We just have to make the best of it. Wasn’t planning on the extra expense but better safe than sorry. Sounds like the military is coming in so hopefully that will slow/ end this uproar.
 
We evacuated work yesterday at around 12:45PM as rioters were only a few blocks away. No damage this morning so all seems to be going on as normal.

As for international visitors, the chances are VERY VERY small that you would even notice anything is happening. You won't be in the townships and you won't be in the malls or industrial areas either. This is where 90% of the action is. And it is mostly confined to the metro areas at the moment and largely in Gauteng and KZN (KZN it is more widespread and not only confined to the above areas), although small outbreaks are happening countrywide.

I do 50km (30 miles) each way to work/home daily and have only seen one scorch mark on the road from burning tyres and/or mattresses.

With the few army members being deployed as well as police and civilian groups getting organised my feeling is this should die down... but who knows...

Africa Sky and such places are safe and should remain so if the current trend continues.
 
We evacuated work yesterday at around 12:45PM as rioters were only a few blocks away. No damage this morning so all seems to be going on as normal.

As for international visitors, the chances are VERY VERY small that you would even notice anything is happening. You won't be in the townships and you won't be in the malls or industrial areas either. This is where 90% of the action is. And it is mostly confined to the metro areas at the moment and largely in Gauteng and KZN (KZN it is more widespread and not only confined to the above areas), although small outbreaks are happening countrywide.

I do 50km (30 miles) each way to work/home daily and have only seen one scorch mark on the road from burning tyres and/or mattresses.

With the few army members being deployed as well as police and civilian groups getting organised my feeling is this should die down... but who knows...

Africa Sky and such places are safe and should remain so if the current trend continues.
Sounds OK, but keep yourself and your family safe!
 
Got from a friend

Interesting read from Anthony Turton (former military intelligence and analyst)

After a 24 hour orgy of violence, I sit alone in my whale watching room and reflect as I read the many messages that have been sent to me by an informal network. I pause to gather my thoughts before the new day dawns. What will that new sunrise bring?

We now sit with a stark reality that everyone has to deal with, so let me distil, at least for my own use, the essence of what our next faltering steps will be.

The firestorm of violence that engulfed us yesterday was no surprise. We have seen all the warning signs, and were even sent clear unambiguous messages of what was to hit us on Monday morning. Few took heed, and many even dispelled these messages as being the usual drivel from the EFF.

Well they weren't. In fact the EFF was nowhere to be seen in the day of mayhem. But neither were any elected leaders, or the security forces they command. The Man in the Hat became invisible, just like his police force, who ran out of ammunition where they were present, and had to be resupplied by civilian networks.

Yes this is true. A private security contractor had to procure front line ammunition for the embattled police force, because they had run out early in the day. So let us unpack this single observation so we can learn from it.

We have a leadership vacuum in the country. People in leadership positions, like the Man in the Hat, are there only because of political connections, and not because they have the core skills to do the job. Same with the bloated civil service they command, with too many generals, all unable to plan for, and procure the stuff that's really needed. Like ammunition.

That same leadership vacuum is present in our intelligence service. If I could collect credible information through my informal network, without any resources at my disposal, and then make reasonably accurate forecasts about what to expect, then why can't they with their bloated staff compliment and billion Rand budget squandered on inappropriate procurement and self enrichment schemes?

Which brings me back to the core issue - supply chain management. The mayhem of the last 48 hours has wiped out our supply chain in KZN. Last week it was there, but today its gone. That complex web of transactions that moves goods across the landscape, like an army of ants on a single minded mission, each moving their package relentlessly throughout the colony of ants. Our network is now gone.

So as the day dawns I can reliably predict that we will rapidly start to encounter shortages of crucial goods like fuel for motor vehicles, food for hungry stomachs, medication for the sick, cash to grease the wheels of trade and spare parts to keep the machinery of commerce going.

ATMs are gone, so we will rapidly run out of cash. Grocery stores have been destroyed, so even if they can procure goods from the warehouses now burned to the ground, they will be unable to transact because the tills are gone and the point of payment card machines destroyed. The retail malls have been so destroyed that it will take months to rebuild them. More importantly, the Clicks and Diskem pharmacy chains that are the most efficient delivery vehicles for the national vaccine rollout, are simply no more.

I therefore predict an acute shortage of fuel, food and medication. These three things will hit almost everyone, and very soon.

This is my first prediction about which I have great confidence. Enough to make a public statement for which I will gladly be held accountable.

But what about the leadership issue? How might this unfold in the days to come?

What I witnessed over the last 48 hours tells us a lot, so let me distil the essence. In the beginning the mob was in control. Yes they were clearly in control as they marched relentlessly forward like an army ant formation advancing through the jungle. They devoured all before them and they were unstoppable. But importantly, they were controlled and focused. There was a clearly defined plan, so command and control is alive and well, but invisible. They knew when to hit designated targets. They knew where the police were absent. They knew where shopping mall security was most vulnerable. They were collectively acting as part of a plan.

Who are those central but invisible command and control people? Will our intelligence services possibly start to figure this out?

But the other thing that was clearly visible was the rapid way that civil society responded to the communal threat. Groups of citizens rapidly formed into militia, and mostly acted with restraint and to great effect. I don't know the final numbers, but my gut feel is that more arrests were made by citizens acting in well organised groups, than by the police.

I also note that some of the militia went beyond the act of arrest, and meted out instantaneous justice. Its unclear what the body count it, but certainly there were many. Some shot, some beaten and some even hacked to pieces by machete. I have seen credible video evidence across this entire range.

But the core lesson is that civil society responded by organising themselves, rapidly and effectively. We will now see the dawn of a new era, where those civil groups become better organised than the government, which has clearly failed. In effect we had no government over the last 48 hours, because while this mayhem was playing out, Jesse Duarte gave a press briefing about an NEC meeting pretending to still be in control.

The Ruling Party has simply lost control. The civil service is so dysfunctional as to be a liability now easily bypassed by an increasingly confident and effective civil society.

Clearly attempts by government to disarm civilians will fail. Of this I am certain. Just as certain as I am about the emergence of self organised militia centred on credible leadership and existing networks of security force personnel that have been sidelined by government purges.

This is the real New Dawn. Not the feeble message spewed out by the now embattled and increasingly illigitimate Ruling Party. Their days are numbered.

Will we now see the emergence of an invigorated Moderate Middle, united by core values but free of the shackles of past prejudice and racially defined bias?

Or will the rabble rise in a boiling froth of anger, purging the Ruling Elite with vengeance, just as past revolutions ultimately consumed themselves with relentless waves of counter revolution?

We live in profoundly uncertain times, but the vibrancy of civil society was clearly demonstrated yesterday, as loose molecules came together to form militia capable of clawing back control in the vaccum left by an incompetent Ruling Elite whose time is nearly over.
 
The general law abiding citizens had enough of this unruly behavior.
But the core lesson is that civil society responded by organising themselves, rapidly and effectively. We will now see the dawn of a new era, where those civil groups become better organised than the government, which has clearly failed. In effect we had no government over the last 48 hours, because while this mayhem was playing out, Jesse Duarte gave a press briefing about an NEC meeting pretending to still be in control
This above statement is very much true, as I have heard of many sources that communities form "protection groups" to assist police and themselves.
 
Strength and a cool head in these times for our South African members. I hope none of you, nor your family members, friends nor property will be affected by this eruption of pointless violence.

This crisis does make a great point of showing how razerthin civilisation can be on a short notice. But also how quickly individuals will band together to face the barbarians at the gate.
 

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