Has your PH ever sent you out without him?

[brandondd24]

Oh I see what you were saying now! Lol

 

[brandondd24]

And yes he had to pay the trophy fee on that kudu

 

[brandondd24]

There was more bad dealings on that hunt, I can let everyone know if anyone wants to know

 

[Andrew Jones]

I have an agreement to hunt on my own because I want to. I want the experience of being the one calling the shots and the outfitter has agreed to loan me his truck and a tracker. I'm taking it as a huge compliment.

 

[brandondd24]

Needless to say, I'll never hunt with any Barry burchell property again

 

[brandondd24]

I'm glad for you Andrew, myself I wouldn't. Personal preference I guess

 

[brandondd24]

Another thing with burchell safaris, he didn't secure our hunting licenses, we were suppose to hunt his northern camp for five days, then go to southern camp for five days. We were in northern camp, the guys in southern camp got busted without licenses, they went to jail! We were told that we couldn't hunt, our trophies we already collected, were hidden in the bush, worried the police? Would come up by us. So a day that was supposed to be hunting, we drove around the property as tourists. So we never made it to southern hunting grounds. Wasn't able to get animals on our list. And no refunds

 

[brandondd24]

F Barry burchell

 

[brandondd24]

Another note I heard the guys in southern camp were given a free hunt on his spread in south africa

 

[brandondd24]

But nothing for us

 

[brandondd24]

I'm done venting now, first time I've talked about this

 

[daved]

Another thing with burchell safaris, he didn't secure our hunting licenses, we were suppose to hunt his northern camp for five days, then go to southern camp for five days. We were in northern camp, the guys in southern camp got busted without licenses, they went to jail! We were told that we couldn't hunt, our trophies we already collected, were hidden in the bush, worried the police? Would come up by us. So a day that was supposed to be hunting, we drove around the property as tourists. So we never made it to southern hunting grounds. Wasn't able to get animals on our list. And no refunds

Write a hunt report , will make for an interesting read .
PM sent

 

[Savage Hunter]

I'm done venting now, first time I've talked about this

i see you're avatar has a pic of a zebra....... maybe you shot the wrong Burchell?

 

[Andrew Jones]

I'm talking about a different outfitter. Very well respected. I just got along with them very well and he made me the offer as a show of respect and I accepted it. I'd happily work for him for free.

 

[Royal27]

Get the Swazi King to invite you over for a hunt and you are set. No license, no PH required.

I know I have his number around here somewhere..... Now where is it....

 

[billc]

I have an agreement to hunt on my own because I want to. I want the experience of being the one calling the shots and the outfitter has agreed to loan me his truck and a tracker. I'm taking it as a huge compliment.

So you have a ph lic. to hunt there on your own. Because if you read the law it is not ok because you want to and he agrees to let you go on your own with a tracker. If you have a ph lic. more power to you and good luck on the hunt.

Find it hard to believe someone who is going to talk ethics about a buff hunt on 1000 acres will be ok with breaking the law.

 

[BRICKBURN]

I have an agreement to hunt on my own because I want to. I want the experience of being the one calling the shots and the outfitter has agreed to loan me his truck and a tracker. I'm taking it as a huge compliment.

Me thinks

 

[bdavis1960]

Pedant! (That is you being called a name, by the way.)

I am under no illusions about the geography of the African continent, nor am I misleading anyone.



The RSA provinical laws are not indicative of a continent. However, they are most certainly indicative of the laws in destinations for the VAST MAJORITY of hunters who go to Africa. Namibia included. (You go look up the stats.)

If you want to hunt without a PH in any province in South Africa, you are quite free to do so. Buy a farm, put critters on it and hunt your butt off. No PH required.
The same in Namibia. (This is an excellent plan for a first time hunter on a budget, as you save a lot on day rates and trophy fees. This is only suggested for those who did not pass grade three arithmetic.)




A Master Guide may be short of a PH, (a technicality of the law). However he/she is licensed under the LAW in that country to guide "clients".
A "client" can not hunt on their own in Namibia nor can a client hunt on their own in: Benin, Burkina Faso, Congo Brazzaville, CAR, Cameroon, DRC, Zambia, Zimbabwe, Tanzania, Uganda, Mozambique, Madagascar, Mauritius, Malawi, Angola, Kenya.



Onward and upward for your edification. About reciprocal arrangements for PH licenses. There are few. Turf protection and trade restriction across international borders and indeed internal boundaries is rife.

• In my understanding: Mozambique and Tanzania recognize RSA licensure.

• Benin, Burkina Faso, Cameroon, CAR, Congo Brazzaville and Uganda are likely candidates for reciprocity. Certainly if you are hired by a local outfitter.

• Namibia, Zimbabwe, Zambia, not bloody likely. Turf protection. Neither are the lauded Zim PH licenses recognized in RSA.

• No where in North America or Europe will recognize any of them. Non Resident aliens can hunt on their own in very few places. I think Sweden might be free wheeling enough to allow it.

Anyone thinking it is a breeze to pass the PH course in RSA, please do spend the two weeks and invest your time and energy. The majority do not pass. (If you really feel smart, do it in Afrikaans.) Of those that do pass, very few go on to finding a placement in the industry.
How many Outfitters trust their hard won clients to some wet ink certificate?



Do you wonder why the Zimbabwe has a different program? Do you think it restricts access to the industry? More qualified? Whatever.
All those trackers that have never gone past grade three know more than the PH's ever will and there are plenty of good PH's that freely admit it.

Pedant ... I like that, numpty!

The point was a "PH" is not required everywhere, as there are highly skilled, qualified, and legally licensed alternatives.

Turf protection - that explains why one would require the services of someone who graduated a 2-week course to escort them to decide which blesbok or warthog to shoot. Great point.

It takes years to become a PH in Namibia. I've met some fresh RSA PH graduates, and they were as ignorant as you seem.

Non-resident aliens can hunt anywhere in the US, with the notable exception of brown bear, which no one can hunt without a guide.

 

[billc]

Pedant ... I like that, numpty!

The point was a "PH" is not required everywhere, as there are highly skilled, qualified, and legally licensed alternatives.

Turf protection - that explains why one would require the services of someone who graduated a 2-week course to escort them to decide which blesbok or warthog to shoot. Great point.

It takes years to become a PH in Namibia. I've met some fresh RSA PH graduates, and they were as ignorant as you seem.

Non-resident aliens can hunt anywhere in the US, with the notable exception of brown bear, which no one can hunt without a guide.

Should have done more research as residents of Alaska can hunt brown or grizzly with out a guide and a resident can even take family from another state to hunt one .

I am sure Sa is not the only place to produce some ignorant Ph's over the years. I agree plenty of people could go hunt a blesbuck/ warthog even a kudu on there own. But the law says other wise and I am sure most landowners would not be so eager to let just anyone roam there place with out a Ph they know.

 

[bdavis1960]

Should have done more research as residents of Alaska can hunt brown or grizzly with out a guide and a resident can even take family from another state to hunt one .

I am sure Sa is not the only place to produce some ignorant Ph's over the years. I agree plenty of people could go hunt a blesbuck/ warthog even a kudu on there own. But the law says other wise and I am sure most landowners would not be so eager to let just anyone roam there place with out a Ph they know.

I agree with you completely Bill. That's why I said non-resident aliens. Alaska has specific requirements for brown bear.

There are some incredibly fine PHs in RSA. Highly qualified, skilled, and run top notch operations. The current program to become a PH in RSA truly degrades those PHs who've earned their reputations.

RSA has 50,000,000 people, and the vast majority of first time hunters go there for convenience. There are so many game farms that a newcomer can shoot 6-8 animals in a week, which is enticing to someone from North America with limited time and budget.

The truth is there is no danger in a fenced in enclosure that isn't known. A PH in such an area, devoid of dangerous game, is really only helping you judge trophy quality ... so long as he/she isn't a fresh graduate of the two week licensing course.

Requiring a PH outside dangerous game hunting is purely turf protection and revenue production.

I started replying here because so many people claimed it was ILLEGAL to hunt without a PH. That's just not true, depending on which country you're in. I loved hunting with the licensed "guide" in Namibia. Couldn't understand much he said, but he'd forgotten more about African animals than most people will ever know. Amazing and educational experience.

Please don't read this as negative towards PHs. There are some amazing PHs in RSA and I've loved hunting with and learning from them. They have my utmost respect. Like many things in the ANC RSA, the program has been dumbed down and that's sad. However, there remain tons of highly competent and ethical PHs in RSA.