Good Gun Deals This Week

[Mark Biggerstaff]

I dont see it saying it is classic. May be a late model built in late 80's.
Krish

Krish
I blew up one of the pics.
Right side says Classic Super Express looks like.

 

[krish]

Classic was built only for two years. That is my understanding.
Krish

 

[JSL]

Hello all, I am normally just a lurker on this site looking for good deals before you inevitably grab them before I can. Judging off some earlier posts I was wondering if you guys could do me the small favor of not bidding on the upcoming Poulin Antiques & Auctions, Inc. Model 70 in .458 Win Mag, I would really appreciate it. This would be my first chance at owning something bigger than .375 Ruger and since the .458 has a shorter barrel than usual I am hoping it will go cheap. If you wonderful guys would be able to assist, that would be much appreciated.

 

[JSL]

I also have my eye on the Ruger Hawkeye in .416 Ruger as another possible option, I would appreciate anyone who gives me a chance at these rifles, if I get one and I don't like them or can't take the recoil of something like the .458 Win Mag I will definitely consider selling it here at a lower price than you could expect to pay on other websites.

 

[rookhawk]

Hello all, I am normally just a lurker on this site looking for good deals before you inevitably grab them before I can. Judging off some earlier posts I was wondering if you guys could do me the small favor of not bidding on the upcoming Poulin Antiques & Auctions, Inc. Model 70 in .458 Win Mag, I would really appreciate it. This would be my first chance at owning something bigger than .375 Ruger and since the .458 has a shorter barrel than usual I am hoping it will go cheap. If you wonderful guys would be able to assist, that would be much appreciated.

If it’s a pre-64 supergrade 458 with a chopped barrel, you won’t find many bidders. It completely kills all collectibility, but it would be a fine safari gun.

Near mint condition, unmolested = $8000-$9000
Bobbed barrel, otherwise near mint = $4200-$5500
Bobbed barrel, sights and scopes messed with, refinished, muzzlebrake, etc = $3200-$4000 (and probably not worth what it achieves)

 

[JSL]

If it’s a pre-64 supergrade 458 with a chopped barrel, you won’t find many bidders. It completely kills all collectibility, but it would be a fine safari gun.

Near mint condition, unmolested = $8000-$9000
Bobbed barrel, otherwise near mint = $4200-$5500
Bobbed barrel, sights and scopes messed with, refinished, muzzlebrake, etc = $3200-$4000 (and probably not worth what it achieves)

Hello, It's a super express model with an undetermined production year with a 22" barrel, iron sights only, no muzzle break, with 90% original bluing and some minor dents and scratches in the stock. I don't know what level of collectability this rifle has under these conditions as I admit model 70s aren't my strong suit but any idea what this rifle would go for?

 

[JSL]

Hello, It's a super express model with an undetermined production year with a 22" barrel, iron sights only, no muzzle break, with 90% original bluing and some minor dents and scratches in the stock. I don't know what level of collectability this rifle has under these conditions as I admit model 70s aren't my strong suit but any idea what this rifle would go for?

The description also says there is some minor residue in the rifling which I could probably clean up as well

 

[rookhawk]

Hello, It's a super express model with an undetermined production year with a 22" barrel, iron sights only, no muzzle break, with 90% original bluing and some minor dents and scratches in the stock. I don't know what level of collectability this rifle has under these conditions as I admit model 70s aren't my strong suit but any idea what this rifle would go for?

It’s a post-64. If it’s a post-64 with control round feed, it has some value as a tool, but zero collectibility. Not sure if the 22” was original or if it was chopped down as well?

Whatever it goes for at auction, (usually 120% of high estimate), after hammer fees, boxing, shipping, insurance, and credit card fee, it was a very bad deal.

I try to avoid guns at auction under $3500 because the add-on costs are so high, it eliminates any “deal” to be had. Auctions work best when you bid on $30,000 in guns and you win $10,000-$12,000 in guns. (bidding on 8, winning 3-4, all in that $~3000 range) The economies of scale are what make them palatable, otherwise, its just death by a thousand fees.

 

[JSL]

It’s a post-64. If it’s a post-64 with control round feed, it has some value as a tool, but zero collectibility. Not sure if the 22” was original or if it was chopped down as well?

Whatever it goes for at auction, (usually 120% of high estimate), after hammer fees, boxing, shipping, insurance, and credit card fee, it was a very bad deal.

I try to avoid guns at auction under $3500 because the add-on costs are so high, it eliminates any “deal” to be had. Auctions work best when you bid on $30,000 in guns and you win $10,000-$12,000 in guns. (bidding on 8, winning 3-4, all in that $~3000 range) The economies of scale are what make them palatable, otherwise, its just death by a thousand fees.

Well that's unfortunate as I do not have the disposable income to bid on any rifles even approaching quintuple digits, but I did some more research and it is most likely a post 64 model, it has push feed and 22" is NOT an original barrel length, so I have no idea what this rifle is worth, I just hope people think it's only worth like a few hundred due to the caliber and barrel length and I can get a steal on it. What do you think the chances are of that? This rifle was a pipedream from the start but if I can get it for a steal I will, or take my shot at a .416 if I can't grab this one.

 

[rookhawk]

Well that's unfortunate as I do not have the disposable income to bid on any rifles even approaching quintuple digits, but I did some more research and it is most likely a post 64 model, it has push feed and 22" is NOT an original barrel length, so I have no idea what this rifle is worth, I just hope people think it's only worth like a few hundred due to the caliber and barrel length and I can get a steal on it. What do you think the chances are of that? This rifle was a pipedream from the start but if I can get it for a steal I will, or take my shot at a .416 if I can't grab this one.

Pushfeed post-64 chopped gun in 458? I’d charge you $5000 to make me own or display it. To others, its a $600-$800 gun. You’ll get no strong endorsements here on its ideal suitability for a dangerous game rifle for Africa.

Put another way, you wouldn’t be able to trade ten of the subject rifle for one $1800 used Cz550 Magnum in .458 Winmag that is a CRF.

 

[JSL]

Pushfeed post-64 chopped gun in 458? I’d charge you $5000 to make me own or display it. To others, its a $600-$800 gun. You’ll get no strong endorsements here on its ideal suitability for a dangerous game rifle for Africa.

Put another way, you wouldn’t be able to trade ten of the subject rifle for one $1800 used Cz550 Magnum in .458 Winmag that is a CRF.

Well that's an amazing price for me, and I probably won't take it to Africa but maybe I can make it work in Alaska for a stopping rifle on bears. If you guys on this site could help me keep the price as low as possible, I would much appreciate it.

 

[TTundra]

22" barrel did come on the Super Express. However, I'm betting bidders will get crazy on it because it's a 458 and a winchester regardless of its actual value and some may not think of the additional fees once their emotions get tied into it.

Similar models are going for over 1k on GB now for a baseline.

 

[JSL]

22" barrel did come on the Super Express. However, I'm betting bidders will get crazy on it because it's a 458 and a winchester regardless of its actual value and some may not think of the additional fees once their emotions get tied into it.

Similar models are going for over 1k on GB now for a baseline.

Well thanks for the heads up, on gun broker I only saw one model 70 in 458 win mag but it was as close to NIB as possible and had a 25" barrel so I thought the one I want was a steal. Any ideas on what my price ceiling should be for me to get a good deal, I'm not looking to bid more than the rifles worth just to say I have it, but I don't know what would be a good price ceiling with all the taxes and fees on top is.

 

[flyfishdoc]

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/982537298

 

[flyfishdoc]

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/982543989

 

[JSL]

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/982537298

thanks for the link, but they want 2000, is that worth taking a shot at that or do I try to keep my bids at around 500-600 for the one I found as that is what the first responder estimated that's what it's worth?

 

[flyfishdoc]

you can always try but my experience at auctions echoes Rookhawk. people lose their mind and bid it up then the buyers premium and associate fees kill the deal. worth giving it a shot at the auction but have a firm price you will quit bidding on and bail.

 

[flyfishdoc]

https://www.gunsinternational.com/g...-quot-barrel-make-offer-.cfm?gun_id=102300575

Yikes!

 

[flyfishdoc]

you can always try but my experience at auctions echoes Rookhawk. people lose their mind and bid it up then the buyers premium and associate fees kill the deal. worth giving it a shot at the auction but have a firm price you will quit bidding on and bail.

a search of GB recent completed auctions on that model run $1700-2600.

 

[rookhawk]

Well thanks for the heads up, on gun broker I only saw one model 70 in 458 win mag but it was as close to NIB as possible and had a 25" barrel so I thought the one I want was a steal. Any ideas on what my price ceiling should be for me to get a good deal, I'm not looking to bid more than the rifles worth just to say I have it, but I don't know what would be a good price ceiling with all the taxes and fees on top is.

With much respect intended, sincerely, don't take this the wrong way because its meant to be friendly, not harsh.

Auctions flourish on the bids of those that know the least. The savvy that "know the most" bid on as many as 20 items and may win 2,3, 4 or none. I've literally bid on 20 items with 100 hours of research and forethought and won zero before because the auction went insane. In another example I bid on 16 items and won 8 for what I thought were very good values.

But at any rate, auctions are designed to be deceptive. Auction estimates are always, on the average, considerably lower than reality for the purpose of luring in bidders. About 5% of the time they get it wrong and scare away all the bidders in which case I'm the guy in the wings the second the auction closes with a low-ball offer on a lot that received zero bids.

But for your specific gun, lets work the math:

$1500 high-estimate = 120% actually hammer price on the average, so $1800.

Then add 17.5% hammer premium.

Then add 3% online internet bidder premium.

Then $21 for insurance

Then $7.50 for the box

Then $75 for the shipping

Then 3% for Credit Card Processing

Then add in the delay of 3-4 weeks they take to get it shipped.

You can be the proud owner of a mass produced gun, sight unseen, for $2340.68.

Everyone has a different psychology about money and auctions so I don't judge you or anyone else for their preferences. I personally can afford to bid on $40,000 worth of bargains in an attempt to spend $9000 on three guns that are a steal, but I cannot afford to spend $2340.68 on a mass manufactured, used, push feed firearm that I cannot see in person ahead of time. I make mistakes, and if I were to buy that gun for $2340 and there is anything wrong with it, it might cost $500 to cure and I might sell it for HALF of my total investment...I can't afford that. But buying $8000 guns for half price? Yeah, I can survive an oversight or latent defect and still survive the transaction without losing months of my discretionary income in a single swoop.

Add in the value of time to enter-bid-pay-process, the deal breaks down for me, but as you'll see by what prices are fetched at Auctions, it is worth a lot of people's time that love the auction experience.

A much higher condition example of the same firearm was posted above in this thread on GunBroker for $2000 "buy it now". For a lot less messing around with auctions, you could buy a similar gun this morning for 15% less than the likely final cost of the Poulin rifle.