Good Gun Deals This Week

[Inline6]

For how much owners say they love their AHR rifles, you sure see them up for sale quite often.

Kind of like trucks...some people need the newest model.

 

[Wishfulthinker580]

For how much owners say they love their AHR rifles, you sure see them up for sale quite often.

I think it’s like anything else. As time passes and more are made you’re going to see more for sale secondhand. Generally speaking.

 

[rookhawk]

Here’s this week’s caveat emptor. Not sure what is going on with this gun, but nothing adds up at all about it. Definitely a W & C Scott action. Probably a shotgun like a ten bore, but could have once been a black powder express gun too. Someone has very poorly struck off original proof marks. They made a goofy rib in an amateur way, and they built a 600 Nitro Express on it. Lots of other non-computes. It’s a modern reproduction label that has been tea-bagged to give it appearance of age. The other label may or may not be original to some portion of the gun, but it’s weird. Original 600NE would have been way better built, and of course it would have been 100gr 110gr of CORDITE, yet the maker’s label talks of pattern at 40 yards (shotgun) and prescribes Curtis & Harvey powder (thats black powder).

Just all kinds of wrong.

W&C Scott 600 Nitro Express double rifle

W&C Scott 600 Nitro Express double rifle for sale online.

www.gunsinternational.com

 

[BGHNTR416]

My thought also was that it was built on a 10 bore Scott. An original Scott would not be mono blocked. As you say, all kinds of wrong...

 

[BGHNTR416]

Chapuis Armes

Chapuis Armes for sale online.

www.gunsinternational.com

 

[rookhawk]

My thought also was that it was built on a 10 bore Scott. An original Scott would not be mono blocked. As you say, all kinds of wrong...

Indeed. Not even "chicken tracks" used to conceal the sleeved in barrel tubes. Just goofy gashes. Bluing from the lump to the tubes doesn't match because they are different alloys. My FAVORITE cloodgy thing on the gun is how they "engraved" the barrel breach. They can't engrave, but the guy had a stamp of the number zero, and he had a file. He just stamped the number zero repeating around the tubes and gashed them with a file. They aren't even circles, they are literally the digit zero! W.C. Scott is rolling in his grave.

I've seen a lot of bad fakes, but I've never seen something THAT bad on a $25,000 gun before. #special

The forger forgot one other thing too. He didn't strike off the diamond on the barrel flats. The diamond would have a 10C or 12C inside of it for 10 or 12 bore shotgun, but rifles don't have that diamond! Whoops. Not 100% positive, but there is an 11 on the barrel flats which could mean it was a 10 bore chamber and a looser bore of 11, just the same was as a 13 or 13/1 would be proofed on some 12 bore shotguns. (I'm not a pro on ten-bore Birmingham proofs, but that's what it looks like to me)


@Red Leg any analysis you'd like to throw into the 600 NE shotgun?

 

[Wishfulthinker580]

Here’s this week’s caveat emptor. Not sure what is going on with this gun, but nothing adds up at all about it. Definitely a W & C Scott action. Probably a shotgun like a ten bore, but could have once been a black powder express gun too. Someone has very poorly struck off original proof marks. They made a goofy rib in an amateur way, and they built a 600 Nitro Express on it. Lots of other non-computes. It’s a modern reproduction label that has been tea-bagged to give it appearance of age. The other label may or may not be original to some portion of the gun, but it’s weird. Original 600NE would have been way better built, and of course it would have been 100gr 110gr of CORDITE, yet the maker’s label talks of pattern at 40 yards (shotgun) and prescribes Curtis & Harvey powder (thats black powder).

Just all kinds of wrong.

W&C Scott 600 Nitro Express double rifle

W&C Scott 600 Nitro Express double rifle for sale online.

www.gunsinternational.com

The seller for that rifle also had this: https://www.gunsinternational.com/g...itro-epress-double-rifle.cfm?gun_id=102205977
Which was in the classifieds yesterday evening but not now.. Did @JPmbogo (I think that’s the member who listed it, apologies if not) get hacked? Did I miss something?

 

[Daniel Cary]

@rookhawk .. could I trouble you for your thoughts. From an investment or/asking cost standpoint on this wildcat? You provided a really good, non-emotional point of view on one in particular, it stuck with me as it still sits For Sale. I understand this may seem completely impractical, however, I see Mr. Breeding, ie. offering almost everyone of his builds in this cartridge. Thank You!

Product Page | MNR Custom

www.mnrcustom.com

 

[BGHNTR416]

Old school cool...or maybe just me?

Springfield Custom 1903 22Hornet

Springfield Custom 1903 22Hornet for sale online.

www.gunsinternational.com

 

[JPmbogo]

@rookhawk .. could I trouble you for your thoughts. From an investment or/asking cost standpoint on this wildcat? You provided a really good, non-emotional point of view on one in particular, it stuck with me as it still sits For Sale. I understand this may seem completely impractical, however, I see Mr. Breeding, ie. offering almost everyone of his builds in this cartridge. Thank You!

Product Page | MNR Custom

www.mnrcustom.com

I am going to jump in here on this because I am currently building a 585 Nyati on a 1914 Enfield action. It is my understanding that the GMA 585 is another version of the 585 Nyati. Assuming that is true, the rifle in question is way too light. Remember Ross Seyfried developed the 585 back in 1990-91 as a bolt gun version of the 577 Nitro Express (See Guns&Ammo Dec. 1991). He designed it to produce a 750 grain bullet at over 2500 fps, producing in excess of 10,000 foot pounds of muzzle energy, and with corresponding recoil - i.e, Newton's law in action! Look at the weight of 577 double rifles. My rifle will come in at 13# plus, which will include a muzzle brake as well. Unless you would be content with shooting squib loads, I would pass on the rifle.

 

[BGHNTR416]

the 585 in question is discussed here

Whether Seyfried’s Nyati, the Wells or GMA Express, the word most often associated with .585 is big.

The world would be a smaller and sadder place without 200-mile-an-hour Ferraris, Dobermans trained to go for the crotch, black Cuban cigars,...

585bigdogofboltactions.blogspot.com

 

[krish]

I am going to jump in here on this because I am currently building a 585 Nyati on a 1914 Enfield action. It is my understanding that the GMA 585 is another version of the 585 Nyati. Assuming that is true, the rifle in question is way too light. Remember Ross Seyfried developed the 585 back in 1990-91 as a bolt gun version of the 577 Nitro Express (See Guns&Ammo Dec. 1991). He designed it to produce a 750 grain bullet at over 2500 fps, producing in excess of 10,000 foot pounds of muzzle energy, and with corresponding recoil - i.e, Newton's law in action! Look at the weight of 577 double rifles. My rifle will come in at 13# plus, which will include a muzzle brake as well. Unless you would be content with shooting squib loads, I would pass on the rifle.

You are right.
Krish

 

[Traveler1]

Indeed. Not even "chicken tracks" used to conceal the sleeved in barrel tubes. Just goofy gashes. Bluing from the lump to the tubes doesn't match because they are different alloys. My FAVORITE cloodgy thing on the gun is how they "engraved" the barrel breach. They can't engrave, but the guy had a stamp of the number zero, and he had a file. He just stamped the number zero repeating around the tubes and gashed them with a file. They aren't even circles, they are literally the digit zero! W.C. Scott is rolling in his grave.

I rarely chime in on the this thread as my historical knowledge of firearms is more broad based except for some specific single action revolvers. That being said, your 100% correct as the crappy engraving. and bad forgery. My family owned a jeweler store for over 100% and we had a couple hand engravers on staff. Being trained as a jeweler some 30 years and growing up around beautiful hand chased pieces of artwork, this was not done by an artist, which WC Scott would have had on staff. If you want pawn off a fake for $25K get a better engraver.

 

[krish]

A write up on cartriges of the world.

 

[Wishfulthinker580]

Dakota Arms Left Hand Model 76 African Action New

Dakota Arms Left Hand Model 76 African Action New for sale online.

www.gunsinternational.com

 

[Major Bonkers]

Some auctions coming up that may be of interest to AfricaHunting members.

In the UK, Bonhams have their bi-annual Sporting Guns auction on 25 May. Of marginal interest is Lot 492, 'A fine and rare 9.3x74R 'Sporter' ultra round-bodied single-trigger over-and-under ejector rifle by J. Purdey & Sons, no. 31715': yours for £22,000 - 25,000 (roughly $30,000), plus Bonhams' commission (30%) and - unless you are exporting it - VAT (20%).

Do you really want it? The action comes from Perugini & Visini, and if it was not for the Purdey name on the side, would have an estimate of around £6,000 - 8,000. You are also going to have to buy the scope mounts and scope, because the vendor, rather cheaply, seems to have decided to keep them. It doesn't even come with a box. You could buy two new Chapuis side-by-side double rifles - which are probably the best rifles available in this calibre (praised by van der Walt and Gregor Woods) - and still have money left over.

Meanwhile, in France: (1) a .404 Jeffery by Philippe Pérouze, whoever he is. The rifle seems to be built on the same principles as mounting a naval 14" gun, and also suffers from an overly large and awkwardly mounted Swarovski scope. I happen to own an original Jeffery in this calibre, and my rifle is noticeable for its lightness and ease of handling. Estimate €700 - 800 (approx $830).

In the same auction: (2) a .416 Rigby by A-Square, Hannibal model. This comes with the obligatory fence-post stock, designed to tame the recoil, which is surely unnecessary in a rifle of this calibre. Estimate €700 - 900 (approx $900).

Enjoy sweating through the mopani with these two.

A word of warning: getting rifles out of France nowadays is an expensive pain in the arse. The most obnoxious examples of the Gallic race seem to have gravitated towards the gun-dealing profession, well-stocked with the national inferiority complex towards les anglo-saxons.

 

[jpr9954]

I saw this at auction on Proxibid today. A Sabatti double in .470 NE. High bid is currently $1400 and the auction ends May 19th. The auction premium is 20%.

https://www.proxibid.com/Sabatti-Safari-470-Nitro-Express-Double-Gun/lotInformation/76324726

 

[Aaron N]

I saw this at auction on Proxibid today. A Sabatti double in .470 NE. High bid is currently $1400 and the auction ends May 19th. The auction premium is 20%.

https://www.proxibid.com/Sabatti-Safari-470-Nitro-Express-Double-Gun/lotInformation/76324726

Would it be a stretch to think the CAB in the S/N means it was one of the famous Cabelas rifles?

 

[Mark Biggerstaff]

Would it be a stretch to think the CAB in the S/N means it was one of the famous Cabelas rifles?

My thoughts also?

 

[Doug3006]

Would it be a stretch to think the CAB in the S/N means it was one of the famous Cabelas rifles?

I believe you’re onto something there!