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[ActionBob]

I just think this one is neat

Custom Remington 1917 30-06 Sporting Rifle for sale

Custom Remington 1917 30-06 Sporting Rifle for sale online.

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That one is neat! And desperate to be rescued

 

[Kevin Peacocke]

I enjoy both RMR and SRO optics. I like the SRO sight picture better. But the RMR seems significantly more rugged and combat worthy to the extent that matters on the weapon the optic is intended for.

The RMR is also lower.

 

[Mark A Ouellette]

The RMR is also lower.

Ruggedized Miniature Reflex site (RMR)

The Trijicon SRO is an RMR. It is a newer format than the Trijicon RMR® Type 2 Adjustable LED Reflex Sight. Notice the letter R in the circle after RMR. It looks like "RMR" is a Registered Trademark of Trijicon. I didn't know that.

RMR Type-2: https://www.trijicon.com/products/product-family/trijicon-rmr-RM06-RM07-RM09

SRO: https://www.trijicon.com/products/subcategory/trijicon-sro

Yes, the Trijicon RMR Type-2 (and the older Type-1) have a lower profile than the SRO. The difference is less than 8mm or a third of an inch. The RMRs' shown are in the mounts for 14-16mm Ribs.

I hunted with the SRO in Limpopo, Kalahari, and Zimbabwe. I also mounted both to double rifles and shouldered them dozens if not a hundred of times each in a side by side comparison. The result was that I bought a second SRO.

 

[VertigoBE]

There are a lot of Ruger N°1's for sale in the upcoming RockIslandAuction of 14-17/02:

Sporting & Collector Firearms Auction #1042

View and bid on firearms for sale in Auction 1042 by Rock Island Auction Company

www.rockislandauction.com

as well as this CZ550 in 416 Rigby:

https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/1042/6737/cz-550-american-safari-magnum-rifle-in-416-rigby-with-scope

 

[Rare Breed]

Ruggedized Miniature Reflex site (RMR)

The Trijicon SRO is an RMR. It is a newer format than the Trijicon RMR® Type 2 Adjustable LED Reflex Sight. Notice the letter R in the circle after RMR. It looks like "RMR" is a Registered Trademark of Trijicon. I didn't know that.

RMR Type-2: https://www.trijicon.com/products/product-family/trijicon-rmr-RM06-RM07-RM09

SRO: https://www.trijicon.com/products/subcategory/trijicon-sro

Yes, the Trijicon RMR Type-2 (and the older Type-1) have a lower profile than the SRO. The difference is less than 8mm or a third of an inch. The RMRs' shown are in the mounts for 14-16mm Ribs.

I hunted with the SRO in Limpopo, Kalahari, and Zimbabwe. I also mounted both to double rifles and shouldered them dozens if not a hundred of times each in a side by side comparison. The result was that I bought a second SRO.

To me notice the larger frame of view with the SRO. That’s what I want and less than an inch more in profile…not going to bother me

 

[Aaron N]

Against my better judgement, can I get a sanity check on these two? Remember it’s CAD.

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[tygersman1]

Probably better in its own thread, but the SRO is not a RMR. The SRO was designed primarily for pistol use within the sporting community. It’s awesome.

The RMR was designed for multi-platform use, specifically including military and LE.

The SRO is not intended to replace the RMR. The RMR is more durable and battle tested across the world. Whether you need that on your weapon or prefer the larger sighting picture of the SRO is a personal choice. But it’s not apples to apples at all.

 

[Wishfulthinker580]

Posting this one just because..

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/969558219

That hogsback stock has got to be brutal on this dude

 

[Rare Breed]

Probably better in its own thread, but the SRO is not a RMR. The SRO was designed primarily for pistol use within the sporting community. It’s awesome.

The RMR was designed for multi-platform use, specifically including military and LE.

The SRO is not intended to replace the RMR. The RMR is more durable and battle tested across the world. Whether you need that on your weapon or prefer the larger sighting picture of the SRO is a personal choice. But it’s not apples to apples at all.

While I understand what your saying about the RMR, on a DG hunt I prefer the larger and faster Target acquisition the SRO gives.

 

[Mark A Ouellette]

Technically nothing but a Trijicon RMR Type-1 or Type-2 is RMR because RMR is a US Trademark. Trijicon decides what is an RMR. I do not know if SRO is a trademark.

Most shooters call any brand or model of ruggedized, miniature, reflex sights RMRs. That includes Trijicon's SRO since it is miniature, ruggedized, reflex sight. That's hard to argue with!

If anyone has any documentation or webpages that explain why a SRO is something all together than a better version of Tricon's Ruggedized Miniature Reflex sight, please present it. Heck I own two of them!

I started a thread on Reflex and RMR Red Dot sights for Dangerous Game Rifles:

Red Dot & RMR Sights For Dangerous Game Rifles

Red Dot and RMR Sights for Dangerous Game Rifles Above photos are Trijocon SRO on Heym 88B I have been contributing information concerning Red Dot and RMR Sights for Dangerous Game Rifles on a couple of other threads that some AH members may have missed. I figure that this information...

www.africahunting.com

 

[Major Bonkers]

Against my better judgement, can I get a sanity check on these two? Remember it’s CAD.

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Ok, Aaron - I'll have a go. (Quickly, because it's quite late here and I want to go to bed.)

The most important thing to check with a Mannlicher is the barrel throat for cordite 'burn' (erosion). If a rifle has this, walk away. The 'scope fittings and 'scope are irrelevant, and ought to detract from the value: the split rear bridge makes fitting mounts an ugly business, and they are usually too high because of the bolt throw.

The ideal Mannlicher ought to have two triggers, the rear being the set or 'hair' trigger, and be in the carbine ('stutzen') version. 6.5x54 is the ideal calibre. The rifle can be used like a shotgun.

The second rifle that you link to looks interesting. It looks to have been poorly re-blued, perhaps with boot polish. I imagine that the cleaning rod, which ought to be housed in the stock, has long since disappeared: don't worry, most of them have. I can't remember - and am too tired to check - whether the tang ('shotgun') safety is original or not - some models had them, some didn't - it is slightly ringing alarm bells.

Price (CAN$1,900) is not too bad. In the UK, this would be a low to fair price. Remember to check the barrel.

 

[Wishfulthinker580]

This is a cool one. Wish there were more pictures. Limited use of course but neat nonetheless. No idea if it’s a deal or not but seems like there are a lot of bpe rifles in that range.

FRITZ SCHUMACHER DBL. RIFLE for sale

FRITZ SCHUMACHER DBL. RIFLE for sale online.

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[rookhawk]

I'm of a given age that I refuse to use an ugly RMR under the stubborn belief my eyes are still good. You know the age, I wont' wear readers yet, I ask the DMV to give me the test twice, etc.

What I will say is the Docter sights are wonderful. They typically offer a 3 MOA model that is fine for DG usage. The discontinued Kahles was a nice RMR too.

The cool kids, and by cool kids I mean African PHs that have bad eyes, all use a model that has a non-battery backup option. I can't remember the make or model of RMR, but its a model that works like a **NOT**PERMITTED** and will generate its illumination using fiber optics when your battery goes dead or the electronics die. If I was to defile a nice hunting rifle with an RMR for the purposes of killing dangerous game, I would follow the professional's lead and get one that has supplemental battery illumination but still works without a battery.

Anyone here able to define which RMR that is I'm referring too?

I'm now going back to reading the paper by holding the pages 3' from my eyes.

 

[rookhawk]

FYI. The blocked text above was not a website, I was saying it works like a compound bow sight. Evidently that seemed like I was posting a URL which I was not.

 

[lockingblock]

Open emitter optics are light and lower cost…but can be deadlined by a drop of rain. A closed emitter red dot is more suitable for a hunting optic. The optimal pistol red dot is the Aimpoint ACRO.

Alternates would be the Sig Romeo 2 and a Steiner.

 

[Brian Rothhammer]

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Well, for the sake of U.S. viewers, $1900 CDN is $14.14.30 USD today and $1600 CDN is $1190.99 USD.

A quality M1903 Mannlicher Schoenauer is always a wise purchase if all is well and as advertised.

 

[Brian Rothhammer]

Ok, Aaron - I'll have a go. (Quickly, because it's quite late here and I want to go to bed.)

The most important thing to check with a Mannlicher is the barrel throat for cordite 'burn' (erosion). If a rifle has this, walk away. The 'scope fittings and 'scope are irrelevant, and ought to detract from the value: the split rear bridge makes fitting mounts an ugly business, and they are usually too high because of the bolt throw.

The ideal Mannlicher ought to have two triggers, the rear being the set or 'hair' trigger, and be in the carbine ('stutzen') version. 6.5x54 is the ideal calibre. The rifle can be used like a shotgun.

The second rifle that you link to looks interesting. It looks to have been poorly re-blued, perhaps with boot polish. I imagine that the cleaning rod, which ought to be housed in the stock, has long since disappeared: don't worry, most of them have. I can't remember - and am too tired to check - whether the tang ('shotgun') safety is original or not - some models had them, some didn't - it is slightly ringing alarm bells.

Price (CAN$1,900) is not too bad. In the UK, this would be a low to fair price. Remember to check the barrel.

To offer opinion:

Advice regarding 'Cordite burn' seems wise for any arms of the early 'Nitro Express' period that may have been fed such.

Here are mid 1930s ICI loads for 6.5X54MS:

British proof on MS:

While a Mannlicher Schoenauer with mountings yet without 'scope or cuts / holes for mounts yet no mounts or 'scope is often somewhat devalued, those with properly mounted and regulated period 'scopes are valued at a premium by many.

It is worthy to note, however, that mountings which include 'dovetail' cuts to the receiver ring are considered to be inferior to those 'saddle mounted'.

The mounting shown on the $1900 rifle is a 'Vienna Snapper' as shown in the 1939 Stoeger.
They were usually installed / sighted by craftsmen at guild shops in the Steyr area:

Mannlicher Schoenauer rifles and stutzen were all offered with single (two stage) or double set triggers. Which is 'ideal' would depend on shooter preference / circumstance and the trigger assemblies were interchangeable.

1954 Stoeger:

All original, unaltered, M1903 (as well as M1900, Y1903, Y1903/14, Y1903/14/27 'Breda', and 'System 1930') Mannlicher Schoenauers were chambered for the 6.5X54MS.

More on the '$1900' MS:

-Stutzen (full stocked carbine) model.
- The tang safety is not original, yet appears to be tastefully and expertly done.
- Original style scope case is a nice bonus.
- _'Oesterr, Waffenfabr.- Ges. Steyr'_ indicates receiver made no later than 1926.

Stock on $1600 rifle may not be original or could be original 'custom order'? Schnabel forend is unusual and wrist seems a bit 'off' to me.

- 'Made in Austria'_ on bridge indicates receiver made 1924 or later.
- _'Oesterr, Waffenfabr.- Ges. Steyr'_ indicates receiver made no later than 1926.
- Rifle is not cut or drilled for 'scope, a 'plus' for originality.


1939 Stoeger:

 

[rookhawk]

Here’s a terrible gun a member showed me yesterday. Let’s hope no member falls for it. August Schuler is one of the finest makers in history, think of him as the Purdey of Germany.

Here’s a .470 NE purporting to be from him and it’s only $7000!

1.) it looks like a shotgun action

2.) the maker’s name on the rib is literally a piece of soft steel set into the rib. It’s done in electro-pencil

3.) the proof marks on the barrels are few and mostly struck off (shotgun?) Electro pencil of 470NE was added.

Caveat emptor .

August Srhuler 470 Nitro Epress double rifle

August Srhuler 470 Nitro Epress double rifle for sale online.

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[wildcatter82]

No funny business here....it is well known that August Srhuler was August Schuler's dear friend and fellow gunmaker down the street hahaha

 

[318AE]

Here’s a terrible gun a member showed me yesterday. Let’s hope no member falls for it. August Schuler is one of the finest makers in history, think of him as the Purdey of Germany.

Here’s a .470 NE purporting to be from him and it’s only $7000!

1.) it looks like a shotgun action

2.) the maker’s name on the rib is literally a piece of soft steel set into the rib. It’s done in electro-pencil

3.) the proof marks on the barrels are few and mostly struck off (shotgun?) Electro pencil of 470NE was added.

Caveat emptor .

August Srhuler 470 Nitro Epress double rifle

August Srhuler 470 Nitro Epress double rifle for sale online.

www.gunsinternational.com

Too funny. I’m not a proof mark expert, but I don’t think “470 N. E.” is even the right forgery. I’ve seen “CORDITE”, “NITRO” the nitro crown type proof mark etc. I appreciate you posting this - I didn’t know this cottage industry was in place.