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10lbs total weight after adding two recoil reducers is a mighty light gun for a 505 Gibbs. It will be a painful, brisk weapon to shoot!

As configured, assuming a mild load of 90gr of cordite (IMR3031 equivelant) with a 525gr bullet at 2300fps and a total gun weight of 10lbs, the rifle outputs 87lbs of recoil!

With the gun somehow magically increased in weight to 11lbs which is a more appropriate weight for a Gibbs, it would still be putting out 79lbs of recoil.

In short, it will be a friggin beast to shoot and the concussive forces will ensure reloading for a 2nd shot takes about an eternity.
Not disputing your math. But speaking from experience with my Ruger RSM that was bored out to 505 Gibbs, it is much lighter than my CZ version, but when shooting a rhino and giraffe with it, I had no issues reloading and I do recall a slight bump on my shoulder and a faint "pop" when I pulled the trigger. For the rhino, with all solids as required by law, and heart lung shots, I got 3 shots into him.

Now granted it kicks like a mule during practice;)

And BTW, a 525 grain TSX at 2300 to 2350 fps is devastating on giraffe and cape buffalo alike;)
 
Here's a first year Ruger RSM in 375 H&H. I believe the price is typical nowadays but the wood is exceptional for even a custom rifle. If you want a nice RSM or just a 375, this one is hard to beat.

 

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One of the enduring myths about double rifles is that the OU is inherently slower to reload than a SxS. Anyone who has a collection of both OU and SxS shotguns can prove this fallacy to themselves any day at the clays range. Indeed, the fitting on many new supposedly quality SxS doubles today is so bad that it may take a couple of hundred rounds to get it so that it opens quickly at all without substantial downward pressure on the barrels.

To quickly reload an OU, the second set of rounds are simply held slightly differently, and many familiar with both would argue the slightly wider reloading gap facilitates reload rather than slowing it.

Additionally, the OU double is inherently easier to scope and regulate.

Had WWI turned out differently, interwar American sportsmen in particular, would likely have been hunting East Africa with PH's named Stueben or Tomma rather than Perceval and Cunninghame. I would further suspect the concept of a "traditional" double would be as often a fine German OU as English SxS.

All of which is a long way around to say that a quality OU dangerous game rifle can be a great find.
Agreed O/U doubles are much underrated as sxs is considered which in my own opinion shoeld be the other way around. Easier to scope easier to regulate and a much better prospect for a working gun
 
Here's a first year Ruger RSM in 375 H&H. I believe the price is typical nowadays but the wood is exceptional for even a custom rifle. If you want a nice RSM or just a 375, this one is hard to beat.

Exquisite!! A match to many "custom" builds, IMHO. Quite a delectable rarity.
 
There is this H&H that has come up, not sure if it is a good deal or not. Looking for your feedback..
 

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In my opinion, and generally speaking, Kevin's has a lot of nice guns that are all way over priced.

To the H&H listed here....ad says it's a 470 NE, while the case says 500-465...I'd like to know what is what. And claw mounts without the rings is a bummer.
 
In my opinion, and generally speaking, Kevin's has a lot of nice guns that are all way over priced.

To the H&H listed here....ad says it's a 470 NE, while the case says 500-465...I'd like to know what is what. And claw mounts without the rings is a bummer.

Many sellers on GI try to get a premium price from those impulse buyers in the first week or so. It's nothing to see a gun drop 2 or 3k in the second week. Then there are others like you allude to that never change the price on a gun that is priced 25% too high. It's interesting to see the different business practices.
 
So a few things to unpack here:

1.) Is Kevin's expensive? Yes. They are top-5 most expensive dealers in the country. Full retail and then some.

2.) The H&H sidelock double rifle. Is it any good? H&H *usually* made guns in 500/465 as it was their proprietary cartridge by necking down a 500NE and having a bore of .467", Joseph Lang invented the 470NE around 1904 and H&H usually did not peddle competitor's cartridges, preferring to offer their proprietary alternatives. The case indicates an H&H that was a 500/465. IF that is the original case serialized to the rifle, it means the gun was converted from 500/465 to 470NE. Of course that is devastating to value, especially if it was not re-proofed in London and of course the seller conveniently omits any photos of the proof marks. Then the question if it was converted would be "Why"? A.) The gun was converted in the 1960s-1980s when you could not find 500/465 ammo and they figured, eh, lets shove a .474" bullet down a .467" hole. If the bore wasn't shot out or lapped down, that could be a perilous to deadly issue for a shooter. B.) The other reason could be that the gun had a pitted bore, worn rifling, and a corroded chamber. A 470NE reamer would clean up the chamber and the loose/worn bore might measure after lapping/honing to be closer to .470NE bore dimensions. This is important to know because you want to always know how bad a rifle's condition WAS so as to not be deceived by how it CURRENTLY appears. (it currently appears beautiful / restored)

I've seen a lot of these types of Best Guns in the past. We're talking about new car money for a flawed asset. That's a serious consideration for a weapon of that price because its valuable for three reasons: 1.) It functions as a weapon, 2.) It's collectible, 3.) It's art. If the gun fails to be collectible (modified) and fails to be art (new restoration altered the original artisan's work) it is hell to sell. Whereas perfect functional art will have select bidders that vary from white collar upper middle class bidders up to billionaires, flawed art will have zero to one bidder from the uninformed class. You can own a boat anchor.

Examples of boat anchor investments I've seen:

A glorious H&H royal deluxe double that was in 240 Apex flanged. Reproofed in the 1990s to 6.5x64r. It was done because they couldn't find brass in 1994. Now its stuck as an obscure, faded away, flash in the pan cartridge made only by RWS. It WAS a $70,000 gun and it now failed to reach $16,000 twice at auction.

An extraordinary self opening purdey double in 360NE that was altered to be 9.3x74r. Same ruined story as the prior. It was a $60,000 gun, it is now a gun that cannot fetch $15,000.


In conclusion: Go big or go home. If you want to buy distressed best guns, know they are distressed and pay distressed prices with the understanding it is not a true collector weapon and the future market for your heirs to unload it is mighty thin. Alternatively, buy a truly exceptional, unmodified gun and pay the $70,000 it is going to take to get an example that would create a future bidding war amongst billionaires that want more pristine art on their walls when you're taking your dirt nap. (courtesy for your heirs and value for your dollars)

The H&H if indeed it was modified AND reproofed, I wouldn't pay more than $27,000-$35,000 for the gun. I'm sure Kevin's didn't either!
 
Rookhawk - Thank you Sir, and I can't say enough, it was an eyeopener. Yes I'm new to the world of double rifles but not to hunting per se. My Grandfather owned an old Pre War English paradox hammer gun which we still own to this day. He took 12 royal bengal tigers and numerous other animals during the British Raj in India. My dad owned a 30.06 rifle (English) and a Belgian shotgun. I have fired all of these so it is in my blood. I have been in the US many years now and dream to fulfill a trip to Africa in the very near future. I have chosen (without trying) on a 470 double and plan to make this happen this year. I of course like to own a British double in the range you have mentioned un modified, as a new is out of reach for me. Again thanks for your valuable, opinion I truly appreciate it.
 

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I was told by well known gun dealer that the barrels of a Krieghoff are soft and hence easy to regulate therefore not suitable for solids. Regular use of solids may prove detriment to the barrels. To the experts here and owners is this true?
 
I was told by well known gun dealer that the barrels of a Krieghoff are soft and hence easy to regulate therefore not suitable for solids. Regular use of solids may prove detriment to the barrels. To the experts here and owners is this true?
I own a Krieghoff,what you heard is false,but however when it comes to solids for use in a double rifle there are certain rules to observe,I own several DR'S,the bullets that will hurt your gun is monolithic bullets,some mono's do not have rings cut into the shank,the displaced metal has no place to go,this creates a lot of barrel strain,a good example of which bullet to use is the North fork solid,you will see rings cut into the shank to relieve pressure on the barrels,this is just basic stuff,you can read what others have to say on this subject as well,but no the barrels on a Krieghoff are not soft & I have used mine with solids to hunt hunt Buffalo etc with no problems.
 
You will void the warrenty on a K gun if you use monolithic solids of any make....not so with a Heym

That’s good to know… thanks!

Sounds like another point for the Heym
 
That’s good to know… thanks!

Sounds like another point for the Heym
Why or where would you use monolithic bullets? Any advtages?

I just ordered Barnes triple shock, are these ok?
 
Why or where would you use monolithic bullets? Any advtages?

I just ordered Barnes triple shock, are these ok?

Apart from the case where I purposefully would take them to go hunt elephant, when in Africa and getting separated from my ammo, and monolithic’s are the only ones available.
 
Apart from the case where I purposefully would take them to go hunt elephant, when in Africa and getting separated from my ammo, and monolithic’s are the only ones available.
I just bought some Barnes triple shock for reloading. Is this going to be OK or unusable?
 

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