Adam S
AH veteran
The heaviest projectile. Although I don't know offhand what the 12.5g shot pellet equates to in official shot size designation. Is this actually what we call buckshot?Which one in your opinion will penetrate the best?
The smallest buckshot which has 44 pellets per load in a 12ga 2 3/4The heaviest projectile. Although I don't know offhand what the 12.5g shot pellet equates to in official shot size designation. Is this actually what we call buckshot?
So which one of the three would you use on a wounded leopard follow up then, lets say 10m, which is 33 feet....only one of these three....Who has ever shot a shotgun with pellets on 100 meters live target? no sane person.
And 22lr, yes. Not uncommon, at least on rabbit.
Answer is, 22lr penetrates better at 100 meters.
No math required.
( to make it clear, none of above is to be reccomended)
Math?
With similar velocity, heaviest projectile will penetrate better
But it has to be said - pellets in shotgun kill in different way, when compared to bullet from rifle.
In theory, shotgun pellets do not need to penetrate to vital organ, they kill by creating multiple simoultaneous shock on nerve ends.
Bullets fired from rifle kill due to damage to vital organs, haemoraging, destruction of CNS, or in some cases due to causing hydrodinamic shok.
From the field:
I have seen roe buck being shot through the ribs with 22lr (runaway, later shot again with 22), with pass throug on a rib shot.
I have seen a roe buck shot with buckshot, broad side, (diam 6.2 mm, 27 pellets load, 12 GA), no pass through, DRT. (both practises not reccomended)
So, shot, or bullet, and effect on game, in reality to compare will be inconclusive. Its not apples and apples.
I am still a bit surprised, on original question.
As we all know from you, other professionals, that a 12ga is the best for following up a leopard because more holes are better than one hole. Leopards are not a heavily built or thick skinned animal.So which one of the three would you use on a wounded leopard follow up then, lets say 10m, which is 33 feet....only one of these three....
How do the pellets penetrate? At 33 feet individually not so?As we all know from you, other professionals, that a 12ga is the best for following up a leopard because more holes are better than one hole. Leopards are not a heavily built or thick skinned animal.
But in your original question, you asked about a single pellet, but now it seems you’re alluding to an entire shell full of shot....
22Which one in your opinion will penetrate the best?
@TTundraPromising thread circling the bowl now...
@Professor Mawla excellent posts, very detailed, and greatly appreciated information.
NEW QUESTION then. I think we are switching from 'penetration' to 'overall damage'. I would prefer my 12 ga. SxS, or a Browning Auto-5. With 00 buckshot.So which one of the three would you use on a wounded leopard follow up then, lets say 10m, which is 33 feet....only one of these three....
.22 is still better if you have one of these.So which one of the three would you use on a wounded leopard follow up then, lets say 10m, which is 33 feet....only one of these three....
@Nevada MikeNEW QUESTION then. I think we are switching from 'penetration' to 'overall damage'. I would prefer my 12 ga. SxS, or a Browning Auto-5. With 00 buckshot.
So which one of the three would you use on a wounded leopard follow up then, lets say 10m, which is 33 feet....only one of these three....
NEW QUESTION then. I think we are switching from 'penetration' to 'overall damage'. I would prefer my 12 ga. SxS, or a Browning Auto-5. With 00 buckshot.
.22 is still better if you have one of these.
Let me just stop you there for a second. I've killed whitetails deer at and beyond 100 yards with buckshot. I find that 2¾" 00 Buck or #1 Buck are the best ballistically speaking for this. I have seen one shot knockdowns on standing game and short run recoveries on running game. I find the #1 to be superior over distance, but it loses initial velocity due to a heavier shot payload. Velocities being equal I believe the #1 Buck is superior to the 00 Buck in pattern density and retained velocity down range.Who has ever shot a shotgun with pellets on 100 meters live target? no sane person.
And 22lr, yes. Not uncommon, at least on rabbit.
Answer is, 22lr penetrates better at 100 meters.
No math required.
( to make it clear, none of above is to be reccomended)
Math?
With similar velocity, heaviest projectile will penetrate better
But it has to be said - pellets in shotgun kill in different way, when compared to bullet from rifle.
In theory, shotgun pellets do not need to penetrate to vital organ, they kill by creating multiple simoultaneous shock on nerve ends.
Bullets fired from rifle kill due to damage to vital organs, haemoraging, destruction of CNS, or in some cases due to causing hydrodinamic shok.
From the field:
I have seen roe buck being shot through the ribs with 22lr (runaway, later shot again with 22), with pass throug on a rib shot.
I have seen a roe buck shot with buckshot, broad side, (diam 6.2 mm, 27 pellets load, 12 GA), no pass through, DRT. (both practises not reccomended)
So, shot, or bullet, and effect on game, in reality to compare will be inconclusive. Its not apples and apples.
I am still a bit surprised, on original question.