Electric cars are not as great for the planet as we are told it would seem....

[VertigoBE]

What's the scenario if fire is involved...?would have thought those batteries would be not great to be anywhere near in that situation..

In a news report this evening, Belgian firemen were urging the government to make it illegal to park Electric vehicles in underground parkings, because when they catch fire the only way to put it out, is to dump the whole car in a big bucket of water for 22 hours. Which is a bit difficult to do in an underground parking lot…

 

[CoElkHunter]

This is the future. Batteries are just an intermediary step. It isn’t hydrogen cars.

It’s nuclear power grid charging up people‘s cars that hold energy in these:

Could Ultracapacitors Replace Batteries in Future Electric Vehicles?

Ultracapacitors have been making the news of late but could they viably replace batteries in the EVs of the future?

interestingengineering.com

VERY interesting! I had never heard of the ultracapacitors in EV vehicles. Looks very promising. I agree with nuclear power being the ONLY solution for the world's electricity production requirements for the future. "Green" produced hydrogen (through electrolysis) using nuclear power produced electricity and water MAY still have a future, at least partially, alongside EVs. China has a large number of hydrogen vehicles operating right now at the Olympics. But, most of their current hydrogen produced is either "black" (from coal) or "gray" (from natural gas). They are building more green electrolysis production facilities and eventually that source will dominate their hydrogen production. Electricity plus water with no "rare earth" minerals or metals needed to produce electricity?

 

[VertigoBE]

This is the future. Batteries are just an intermediary step. It isn’t hydrogen cars.

It’s nuclear power grid charging up people‘s cars that hold energy in these:

Could Ultracapacitors Replace Batteries in Future Electric Vehicles?

Ultracapacitors have been making the news of late but could they viably replace batteries in the EVs of the future?

interestingengineering.com

Finally a big forward step was taken recently by Macron. I’ve been saying it for years that the only ones remaining to save (the common sense in) EU energy supply, would be the French.

Macron announced: no closures of nukes unless for safety reasons, and new construction to take place if he gets re-elected.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

With a bit of luck this goes through, neighbouring countries get the message and step back from their current disastrous wind/solar only plans and French engineers can then install this next generation of nukes in the rest of Europe, lowering the cost to build even further.

 

[CoElkHunter]

Finally a big forward step was taken recently by Macron. I’ve been saying it for years that the only ones remaining to save (the common sense in) EU energy supply, would be the French.

Macron announced: no closures of nukes unless for safety reasons, and new construction to take place if he gets re-elected.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

With a bit of luck this goes through, neighbouring countries get the message and step back from their current disastrous wind/solar only plans and French engineers can then install this next generation of nukes in the rest of Europe, lowering the cost to build even further.

I will have to locate the article I read on this, but there is a company here that has designed a very small nuclear reactor that retrofits coal plants to nuclear power for a fraction of the cost of stand alone megawatt nuclear reactor facilities. It uses helium gas to carry heat from the core to power the coal plant boilers.

 

[Challer]

I don't know ....at AUD$1.96 per litre for unleaded and AUD$1.74 for diesel it's looking pretty good especially if you've got solar panels the roof of the house. And for the sake of our US cousins it's about 3.7 litres to the US gallon and about 4.5 litres to the Imperial gallon. And as I type 1 AUD is worth US 71 cents.

Now let’s discuss the open pit mining of the rare earth metals for your battery, the vast pollution of volatile chemicals used for solar panels (Bill Gates AND Michael Moore both declared solar panels a disaster) and the subsidy I pay for half the cost of your car.

 

[sgt_zim]

Now let’s discuss the open pit mining of the rare earth metals for your battery, the vast pollution of volatile chemicals used for solar panels (Bill Gates AND Michael Moore both declared solar panels a disaster) and the subsidy I pay for half the cost of your car.

Going to get interesting when they start throwing those old panels into landfills.

 

[VertigoBE]

Going to get interesting when they start throwing those old panels into landfills.

Solar panels are the asbestos of the future

 

[sgt_zim]

Except worse, I think. Once the toxic rare earths start leaching out, it'll be a massive problem to try and reclaim them then

 

[bowjijohn]

I suspect there is going to be a ''bonfire of the vanities'' when the realisation of just what the cost is going to be to ordinary families of this alternative energy, woke, ringing of hands life style that is planned for us

Already started here in the UK

Putin is very likely to inject a ''soupcon'' of realism into the left wing's wet dream

 

[CoElkHunter]

"People, businesses and countries will do whatever they have to do to get the electric power they need". This was a quote from a rather left leaning author of an article titled "Is coal dead?". I read this a few weeks ago and he described how the use of coal to produce electricity increased 19% worldwide last year due to the scarcity and/or cost of natural gas. Coal usage here in the US increased by 6%. He stated coal is not going extinct anytime soon as a continuing major source of fuel to produce electricity, due to production and pipeline infrastructure issues with natural gas as well as it's skyrocketing cost. Renewables aren't even close yet to replacing either coal or gas to meet peak demand needs. This author said he believes the only solution to meet the world's demand for electricity is through nuclear energy. I tend to agree.

 

[flatwater bill]

Heating the passengers in the EV here, when the temp is minus 25F takes a lot of power. Cooling the passengers when the temp is 45C in Oz would also take a lot out of the batteries. ........FWB

 

[RTG]

The ONLY answer in my opinion for the future of a fuel for anything with wheels traveling on roadways is hydrogen fuel. A number of years ago, BMW produced several hydrogen prototype vehicles and loaned them to various “big wigs” around the country, including then Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger of Californicate. The hydrogen was produced with water and these cars had a small gas engine for extended range if need be. What happened to the concept of the hydrogen powered vehicle?

There were even Hydrogen stations popping up across the US and Europe. And only water droplets for exhaust.

Destroyed by government regulations, tax credits, subsidies, corperate welfare favoring electric vehicles. Electric vehicles received the forced transfer of wealth from the internal combustion industry. Hydrogen couldn’t compete against the free money peddled by gangsters in Governments. Politicians obviously saw more insider trading upside with EV, than with hydrogen.

 

[RTG]

All legitimate questions. Nothing about this is sustainable.

I have a Tesla cyber truck on order, full disclaimer. I bought it because I think it bookends my utility and costs nicely with my diesel truck which I will continue to operate. I bought it for the power, specifications, and because it’s a $100,000+ vehicle for $49,900. I had no delusions about it’s carbon footprint or it’s practicality for changing the world’s car emissions.

I tell everyone I know they are a scam. I remind everyone I’m stealing from them via tax policy, they should be outraged and should fight to end this nonsense. In the meantime, I do think I got a great buy, whenever it arrives.

If we want to talk about changing the world, we need only two things.

1.) a fully nuclear power grid using modular, micro fission reactors. Wholly within reach. Wholly unsupported by the left.

2.) Slow discharge high voltage capacitors made of carbon nanotubes. We are really close. Chevron owns many patents. This will allow us to make energy storage for cars and anything else very lightweight using abundant materials rather than rare earths. 20 years away if the patents aren’t suppressed. If this comes to fruition, the battery will no longer exist in virtually any application from cars to cordless drills.

Scam is right. As you already know, your truck is considered a sold order. Its ‘credit’ was immediately sold off to the highest bidder for many of thousands of Dollars. Perhaps bought by FCA for credit towards my TRX. Thanks! Free money while pushing off production for years.

Zero free market forces behind this. 100% pure fascism. As you said, proper technology will eventually come and make these things possible, desirable and in demand. Big question is how much damage to our world and economy will they do before that happens?

 

[CoElkHunter]

There were even Hydrogen stations popping up across the US and Europe. And only water droplets for exhaust.

Destroyed by government regulations, tax credits, subsidies, corperate welfare favoring electric vehicles. Electric vehicles received the forced transfer of wealth from the internal combustion industry. Hydrogen couldn’t compete against the free money peddled by gangsters in Governments. Politicians obviously saw more insider trading upside with EV, than with hydrogen.

Well, there's no money in making water into hydrogen with a little bit of electricity? No rare earth minerals or metals required, so no profit and ultimately no hydrogen vehicles. Maybe Popular Mechanics will show us how to convert our diesels/gas trucks to hydrogen. What could go wrong? LOL

 

[BourbonTrail]

Well, there's no money in making water into hydrogen with a little bit of electricity? No rare earth minerals or metals required, so no profit and ultimately no hydrogen vehicles. Maybe Popular Mechanics will show us how to convert our diesels/gas trucks to hydrogen. What could go wrong? LOL

Hydrogen cars produced dihydrogen monoxide, a greenhouse gas, man…Can’t have that, need some EV vehicles .

Seriously though, we tried hydrogen vehicles, but they just don’t sell. EV vehicles are where the money is at.

Edit for people not versed in chemistry:
dihydrogen monoxide is water.

 

[CoElkHunter]

Hydrogen cars produced Di-hydrogen monoxide, a greenhouse gas, man…Can’t have that, need some EV vehicles .

Seriously though, we tried hydrogen vehicles, but they just don’t sell. EV vehicles are where the money is at.

Edit for people not versed in chemistry:
Di-hydrogen monoxide is water.

Yeah, I won't be buying an EV until the battery packs have a lifetime warranty on them and/or the packs aren't half the cost of the original vehicle price. I'm not paying $40K+ every ten years or PROBABLY less because the battery pack crapped out and it cost more to replace it (given the cars depreciation) than buying a new car. I saw a recent article on vehicle depreciation. A Toyota and a BMW models EV cars had a 60% and 62% depreciation after FIVE years. The BMW was higher because of it's higher MSRP. I was born at night, but it wasn't last night!

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

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My issue is in the manufacture of batteries for all these “green” vehicles. Where does everyone expect to dig up all these rare earth metals (3rd world countries) and manufacture millions/billions of EV vehicles?

I know the automotive industry is planning to build batteries here in Kentucky (considered by many America’s 3rd world), I also know that battery chemicals are exceedingly toxic, and that Kentucky has more miles of coastline than any state but Alaska (rivers y’all). Get ready for some Heavy Metal Bourbon

@Bourbon Trail
There's a bucket load of information that we are not being told like
The average ev costs more to produce than the equivalent gas powered vehicle
You have to do 70,000 km before you start focusing the initial cost.
LiPo4 batteries can not be recycled and are prone to catch fire while charging. They are now thinking if going back to the old NiCad style.
Power Plants have to ramp up energy supply to cope with the demands of recharge.

Best of all they are trying to figure out where and what to tax to make up for the lost income from the fuel excise.
There's a lot more to things than meet the eye. One thought is Hibrid cars that use both electric and fuel, with no drain on the normal supply. These cars produce their own electricity for the batteries while using as little as 3 litres of fuel per 100km. That's more than 60mpg so not bad
Bob

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

Hydrogen cars produced dihydrogen monoxide, a greenhouse gas, man…Can’t have that, need some EV vehicles .

Seriously though, we tried hydrogen vehicles, but they just don’t sell. EV vehicles are where the money is at.

Edit for people not versed in chemistry:
dihydrogen monoxide is water.

@BourbonTrail
Don't forget that nasty pollutant hydrogen hydroxide (HOH). We can't have that

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

In a news report this evening, Belgian firemen were urging the government to make it illegal to park Electric vehicles in underground parkings, because when they catch fire the only way to put it out, is to dump the whole car in a big bucket of water for 22 hours. Which is a bit difficult to do in an underground parking lot…

@VertigoBE
Easy fixed mate just flood the whole underground car park. Who cares about the other cars anyway.
Bob

 

[R eight]

Now let’s discuss the open pit mining of the rare earth metals for your battery, the vast pollution of volatile chemicals used for solar panels (Bill Gates AND Michael Moore both declared solar panels a disaster) and the subsidy I pay for half the cost of your car.

since when has the environment been more important than the economy

there will be challenges, and there will be stuff-ups.......but when the price is right it will be here .