Controlled round feed for Dangerous Game

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

Ah, but Bob, the ruger , whilst a fine cartridge, is boring, therefore one must strive to achieve greater things. I am always one to "encourage " people to build bigger and better things
gumpy

@Grumpy gumpy
How bout a 505 Gibbs necked down to 375 or 35.
Bob

 

[Rule 303]

@wysongdog
True. But to save stuffing around lengthening actions and changing mag boxes just rebarrel an Enfield to 375 Ruger. Easier, cheaper and the same punch in a shorter action. Leave the guppy belly in it so you can stuff 5 rounds in the mag.
Bob

Still need to widen the mag box a bit other wise if an M17 or only get 3 rounds in. Use a P14 mag box and should get the 4 in but still need to widen the front section. The Ruger rounds are fairly much based on the 404 J, so 4 rounds in the mag not 5 with guppy belly and a different follower. I found all this out while building my 358RUM

 

[Rule 303]

@Grumpy gumpy
How bout a 505 Gibbs necked down to 375 or 35.
Bob

Now that deserves some serious thought.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

Now that deserves some serious thought.

@Rule 303
Only you would do that mate
Bob

 

[colorado]

@Grumpy gumpy
How bout a 505 Gibbs necked down to 375 or 35.
Bob

Why would you do that? Anything below .500 is a medium bore. I use my 500 Jeffery on elk. They don't get up.

 

[Rule 303]

Why would you do that? Anything below .500 is a medium bore. I use my 500 Jeffery on elk. They don't get up.

Because you can

 

[Grumpy gumpy]

Why would you do that? Anything below .500 is a medium bore. I use my 500 Jeffery on elk. They don't get up.

You need something smaller for hunting rabbits
gumpy

 

[Rule 303]

You need something smaller for hunting rabbits
gumpy

Yep, a 416 Rigby does the job nicely.

 

[EfRed]

Sako 85 has been produced in large calibers. But now is phased out, and new gun is Sako 90, available only up till 375 HH (for now).
But sako 85 is claimed to be controlled round feed as per company web site.

Tikka t3 feeds reliably in all positions, it is good example of reliable push feed.
Old push feeds basically are remington 700, so I dont think this discussion of which is better comes from that source

Finally, there is Larry Potterfield favorite rifle, remington 700, explaining in detail.

In recent years many clients go to Africa with Blaser r8 for dangerous game.

So, all in all, it is equal and individual choice between following.
Controlled round feed.
Push feed
Or, modern straight pull rifle.

Just take your pick.

Some companies claim controlled feed but provide something a little less than:

Originally Posted by ChuckHawks.com
To briefly cover the new features of the new Sako 85 action, let's start with controlled-round feeding. We reviewed a Sako 85 Hunter in depth (see the Product Review Page) and found that the Sako 85 version of controlled feed lacks the advantages of a true controlled feed action. This action does not have a full-length extractor on the Mauser 98 pattern. The 85's bolt head mounted extractor is much smaller than the full-length extractors on a Mauser 98 and takes a smaller bite on the case rim. If you close the Sako's bolt about half way (until you hear the next cartridge in the magazine click up, ready to be fed) and then pull the bolt back and try to close it again, it will jam the rifle by attempting to double feed.

 

[EfRed]

BRNO ZKK 602
Winchester Model 70
Pattern 14 Enfield
Enfield Model 1917
Pre '62 FN Mauser
Maybe add Dakota Arms, now Parkwest Arms...

 

[EfRed]

@Rule 303
Sorry to say but your gunsmith is pissing in your pocket and telling you it's raining.
The P14 bolt face is set for the rimmed 303 British which has an identical size to magnum cases from 257 Weatherby to 458wm.. It may need to be opened up a bit for the big magnums tho.

The bolt face of the M17 is standard 06 size but can be opened up to suit magnum cartridges.

Why would anyone stuff around modifying the mag box to suit the 375H&H when you can buy one for $75 if the internet.
The rear of the action is easy opened up to make it suitable for bigger cartridges and modified the bolt stop to suit. The ears are easy to mill of and can even be cut off with a hacksaw then milled to finish easily.
The issue is filling the gap in the top of the action where the rear apature sight sits.. This is usually done by making a block to go in it then milling the rear of the action to the profile you want.
Dang you could even do a single square bridge Mauser profile if you wanted.
Yes you can go to a cock on opening but this cause issues with the sear so why not leave it as is, it works and is actually quicker to operate as cock on closing when you get used to it..
If the gunsmith is knowledgeable then working in an Enfield is no different to any other military Mauser style rifle. Problem is some Smith's want you to believe it's harder and therefore more expensive. Bullshit.
For example straightening a ninety degrees bolt handle is the same as changing the dog leg. Same amount of work in both but for some unknown reason the charge is higher for the Enfield.
I could keep going but I've made my point
Bob

My father got out of the army in 1945 and began sporterizing military rifles. Springfields, P-17 Enfields, Mauser 98s. He used Dayton-Traister triggers for the Enfields, Timney triggers for the Springfields, dk what he used on the Mausers. DK why he made these choices, may have been as simple as he used what he could get. He left them in their native cartridge. He bent/straightened the bolts, converted the Enfields to cock on open. I have 2 Springfields that he sporterized, very slick ustom-looking rifles with high polish black-blue; one has become a.35 Whelen. The Springfields are failure-free in my hands, as they are what I learned on. Also, the Weatherbys I have are failure free in operation; I do note that Dad had two ADs with his 300 Wby Mark V clearing the mag through the chamber. He was a very careful man, so I tend to discount this being op error. I've never had a problem; forewarned, I clear the mag via the drop feature AND OBSERVE RULE # 1: DON'T POINT THE MUZZLE AT ANYTHING YOU DON'T INTEND TO SHOOT. Every bolt rifle I've ever had has been 100% reliable in terms of feed and extraction, except one custom rifle built on an action of new design and manufacture, which was the fault of the gunsmith, whom I no longer rely upon.

And I have to say that you are responsible to know whether your hunting partners handle guns safely. Trust is built on observation and vigilance. No amount of engineering can make up for bad handling.