Cartridges you just hate

[HWL]

I love the 10.75x68 because most hate it. Its been fun.

I love it so much, that one was not enough!

HWL

 

[Cheesehead]

Interesting. I don’t care for 300WinMag for essentially the same reason. Winchester abandoned the 300H&H for their own proprietary cartridge.

My issue with the 300 win mag is that I don't think it is a very good design. The case is relatively long with a short neck, as if it was designed for shooting lightweight bullets. It seems to be optimized for 150-165 grain bullets. With these lightweight bullets I don't think it does anything that the 30-06 already does at normal ranges. If a person wants to shoot that bullet weight at very long range, stepping down to the 7mm Rem mag or 264 win mag would yield better BC and SD.

It should be the same 2.5" case length as the other Winchester Magnums, with a longer neck and shoulder set further back, more suitable for shooting 200-220 grain bullets. That is where its case capacity would allow the 300 to separate from the 30-06 and 7mm mag.

On an unrelated note, there are some cartridges that are pretty great but have what I think are stupid names. A couple of these are the 25-06 and 338-06. They make sense. Everyone knows the "06" in 30-06 stands for 1906, when it was standardized. We'll neither the 25-06 or 338-06 were invented in 1906 or 2006. This is just a feeble attempt to tie these obscure cartridges to their legendary parent. Give them a unique name and let them stand on their own merits, like the 270 winchester, 280 remington, or 35 whelen. The worst offender in this regard has to be the 7mm-08. Talk about nonsensical.

 

[ftrovato]

I haven't used their rifles. I don't believe in cramming every last bit of powder into a case and trying to throw a small bullet as fast as it possibly can go. It's the classic argument between bullet velocity vs sectional density. I am in the school that a bullet that is loaded heavy for caliber, with good BC, is far better than a bullet travelling 3,300 FPS.

Sensible. I've always been an Elmer Keith fan. But must admit that premium bullets these days have swayed me from time to time to the other side.

 

[Vashper]

So, Creedmoor 6.5, Bud Light, what else?

 

[CoElkHunter]

@Milan - you’re right that “Hate” is a strong word but I would NEVER OWN a 6.5 “anything”….NOT a Grendel, Creedmore/Needmore or anything else developed ONLY to convince people they NEED another caliber —-code for “sell more rifles”.
By 1940 the World had all the calibers needed and since a well cared for Rifle lasts a few 100 years — manufacturers needed to figure out how to sell more rifles. Now, how’s that for a Grumpy old man’s take on things ?

Not even a 6.5 Remington Magnum? If it was manufactured today as a "new" 6.5, the long distance shooters would be all over it. Just as the recently "new" 6.5-.300 Weatherby which was actually a wildcat in the '60s and set some long distance shooting records at that time. Now, it's one of the latest and greatest "new" cartridges. It'll never end.

 

[CoElkHunter]

So, Creedmoor 6.5, Bud Light, what else?

Man bun.

 

[ftrovato]

Not even a 6.5 Remington Magnum? If it was manufactured today as a "new" 6.5, the long distance shooters would be all over it. Just as the recently "new" 6.5-.300 Weatherby which was actually a wildcat in the '60s and set some long distance shooting records at that time. Now, it's one of the latest and greatest "new" cartridges. It'll never end.

I'm a crotchety old bast*ard and said I wouldn't try anything new (too).

Most the calibers I own are over 100 years old (500 NE, 470NE, 416 Rigby, 30-30 win, 30-06, 45-70, 257 WM, ........ and a 340 WM from1962 being the baby of the bunch.

Then I said F* IT about 2 months ago and bought a 6.5 PRC. I bought enough brass to own it for the rest of my life if the cartridge doesn't have longevity. I figure I have 20 years if I'm luck to hunt with it.

First it shoots everything I'm reloading for it (so for) fantastic.

With that I'm going to take it to Scotland for Stag this fall and leave the classic cartridges all home!

Growing can be hard and fun!

;-)

 

[akrifleman]

Not even a 6.5 Remington Magnum? If it was manufactured today as a "new" 6.5, the long distance shooters would be all over it. Just as the recently "new" 6.5-.300 Weatherby which was actually a wildcat in the '60s and set some long distance shooting records at that time. Now, it's one of the latest and greatest "new" cartridges. It'll never end.

I understand the sentiment, but nobody in mid-range, LR, ELR, or PRS would adopt a new belted mag. But what is old is new again, is as old as time.

 

[CoElkHunter]

I'm a crotchety old bast*ard and said I wouldn't try anything new (too).

Most the calibers I own are over 100 years old (500 NE, 470NE, 416 Rigby, 30-30 win, 30-06, 45-70, 257 WM, ........ and a 340 WM from1962 being the baby of the bunch.

Then I said F* IT about 2 months ago and bought a 6.5 PRC. I bought enough brass to own it for the rest of my life if the cartridge doesn't have longevity. I figure I have 20 years if I'm luck to hunt with it.

First it shoots everything I'm reloading for it (so for) fantastic.

With that I'm going to take it to Scotland for Stag this fall and leave the classic cartridges all home!

Growing can be hard and fun!

;-)

I've read good things about the PRC cartridges. I think the brass is the key when buying a "newer" cartridge. Buying enough when the cartridge is still popular and like you said, if the cartridge becomes less favorable over time you can still reload for it. Good luck on your stag hunt!

 

[Milan]

So, Creedmoor 6.5, Bud Light, what else?

Oh no. Don’t get me started on “beers” I hate….

 

[CoElkHunter]

I understand the sentiment, but nobody in mid-range, LR, ELR, or PRS would adopt a new belted mag. But what is old is new again, is as old as time.

Oh I know, I was just being my usual facetious self. I was kind of shocked though seeing the 6.5-.300 Weatherby in my early '70s Sierra reloading manual and reading the narrative about it being a '60s wildcat and used successfully in competition at that time. I saw this after Weatherby had introduced it as a "new" cartridge. I guess it was a new factory cartridge from an old wildcat. It's all interesting to me.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

I haven't used their rifles. I don't believe in cramming every last bit of powder into a case and trying to throw a small bullet as fast as it possibly can go. It's the classic argument between bullet velocity vs sectional density. I am in the school that a bullet that is loaded heavy for caliber, with good BC, is far better than a bullet travelling 3,300 FPS.

@gcbailey
But a heavy for calibre bullet travelling at 3,300fps can be good.
eg a 117gn 25 cal at 3,300 is devastating on game.
Bob