Can you save having taxidermy work done in South Africa

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Well my crate has shipped and cleared all in a week. Will be picking it up on thurs or fri this week. Can not wait to see my giraffe and eland with all the rest of my animals.

Then on tues I fly out to hunt again and use the money I saved on the work I had done by Relive taxidermy. I am guessing the 5 of us will be sending 30 or so trophies down to paul for work in a few weeks. I will post some pics of my mounts as soon as I can not sure if it will before my trip though.

Great job by joe at coppersmith once again cleared it all for 350 and has it waiting at no charge in a warehouse now.
 
Excellent Bill. As you know I saw your trophies while I visited Paul. Your trophies looked great. Your going to love your giraffe.
 
I've got nine trophies to bring home to Anchorage from South Africa and Zambia in one form or another, and I'm thinking of using Karoo Taxidermy in Graaff-Renet. They're billing themselves as one of the largest taxidermists in the world, so it's likely an assembly-line operation. Seems likely to save on shipping costs though.

We Alaskans get gouged on shipping costs to some port city in the Lower 48 and then gouged again for shipment to Alaska. That's assuming there's no additional shipping costs to and from the taxidermist. These intermediate shipping costs make it hard for Lower 48 businesses to compete on cost for those of us who live here.

The no-recourse argument for me applies no matter where I have the work done, if it's not in Alaska. Going to Chicago or California to appear in court against a local is not my idea of adequate recourse. So I consider that a wash. The local taxidermists are expensive and have limited experience on African animals. (I wouldn't hesitate to recommend them for Alaska game, however.)

I don't feel I have enough expertise to judge taxidermy work. I can tell crappy work, I think, but not the difference between good and excellent. Although I don't usually like to settle for less than the best quality, what's the point if you can't see the difference?

It seems to me that the formula for comparing costs of having the work done here or in Africa should look something like cost of taxidermy work (including any "documentation" or other fees), plus total shipping costs including every leg of the journey, plus admission broker fees; compared to dip & pack, total shipping costs of unfinished trophies to US taxidermist, plus total shipping costs from the taxidermist to my home, plus admission broker fees.

I haven't got quotes from all those I've requested them from, but I have the feeling that it will be hard for US taxidermists to compete on cost.
 
I've got nine trophies to bring home to Anchorage from South Africa and Zambia in one form or another, and I'm thinking of using Karoo Taxidermy in Graaff-Renet. They're billing themselves as one of the largest taxidermists in the world, so it's likely an assembly-line operation. Seems likely to save on shipping costs though.

We Alaskans get gouged on shipping costs to some port city in the Lower 48 and then gouged again for shipment to Alaska. That's assuming there's no additional shipping costs to and from the taxidermist. These intermediate shipping costs make it hard for Lower 48 businesses to compete on cost for those of us who live here.

The no-recourse argument for me applies no matter where I have the work done, if it's not in Alaska. Going to Chicago or California to appear in court against a local is not my idea of adequate recourse. So I consider that a wash. The local taxidermists are expensive and have limited experience on African animals. (I wouldn't hesitate to recommend them for Alaska game, however.)

I don't feel I have enough expertise to judge taxidermy work. I can tell crappy work, I think, but not the difference between good and excellent. Although I don't usually like to settle for less than the best quality, what's the point if you can't see the difference?

It seems to me that the formula for comparing costs of having the work done here or in Africa should look something like cost of taxidermy work (including any "documentation" or other fees), plus total shipping costs including every leg of the journey, plus admission broker fees; compared to dip & pack, total shipping costs of unfinished trophies to US taxidermist, plus total shipping costs from the taxidermist to my home, plus admission broker fees.

I haven't got quotes from all those I've requested them from, but I have the feeling that it will be hard for US taxidermists to compete on cost.
Good points made. I agree Karoo is probably an assembly line operation much like Highveld has become over the years. Hard to have quality control with that much going on. And this is one of the reasons I was impressed with Relive taxidermy in Port Elizabeth. The owner Paul is actively involved with his business. He will stay in touch with you during the process with photos he is still small enough to give very personal service. I'm not saying to leave your trophies there but it might pay to look at other businesses and ask here on the forum opinions on taxidermy work done there. I hunted Namibia last year and had my 6 trophies shipped to my taxidermist in Pennsylvania, I'm paying $10,000 plus for those mounts, granted one will be a triple pedestal but the others are shoulder and one wall pedestal. And that's before dip/ pack, shipping etc. I will post my total costs one I receive my mounts. I recently was in Africa visiting an outfit I represent and hunted just a day and a half taking Nyala and red lechwe, I left them with Paul to mount. Next year God willing I'll return to Africa for buffalo and plains game my plan right now is to leave them with Relive.
 
Soon Relive will be the assembly line you all talk about with all this work going there. I've seen it all in my 47 years in this business. Like all studios as they grow the work suffers...We are a Totally different kind of studio. One Artist designs,alters,personalizes and mounts all the trophies. It's a tough job. 12-14 hours a day , 7 days a week. I stay backed up 9-10 months, Yes . But I control the quality of every mount by doing them . Then one Artist finishes every mount. There are no variables in our quality, ever. I'm not a taxidermist for everyone, my prices are for those that want the best and have found out my prices are lower that a big studio that juts about everyone knows of The Wildlife Gallery's 2012 prices. I was amazed when I saw this. We don't do birds or fish or much local work at all and have become a specialized mammal taxidermy studio and our growth is sustained by doing only the work we are best at.
 
Dennis I think no one questions your work here at all. And as you said you may not be for everyone. I think you mounts are excellent, and if I had unlimited amounts of cash I would undoubtedly consider your services. Since I'm not a high end client I have to shop around a bit at this point of my life. As you and most people know here I have used Wes Goode now for several hunts. As mentioned my current taxidermy bill is in excess of 10k. That's a lot of money for me to pay. Hello that's a buffalo hunt in and of itself. Unfortunately my financial situation has changed for the worst recently with losing my job and having to take one for a lot less money. I'm also selling my beloved Harley to finance next years hunt. To put down every other taxidermy option people mention here IMO is just wrong. Your talent as a taxidermist are undeniable. I personally think you should fine tune the way you express your opinions and the possible options hunters are considering. This was not meant as any kind of character assassination by any means. I know it's just business.
 
Thanks Johnny, At least your dealing with a american studio, Thank you . I like the fact that you are spending money to support U S workers the their families as they are fellow hunters and sportsmen and your money help them enjoy the outdoors and the things we all love !
I had spent the time and effort and made you tags for your hunt and the package about saving on import fees. You don't need unlimited amount of cash to deal with as you state. I have hundreds of what you would BLUE Collar clients that use me. You didn't ask upon your return to have me quote your safari, and of course that is your choice. Didn't get the chance to beat Wes's price and probably could have. I can and do produce an equal if not better piece of taxidermy. I have dealt in the Wes and know who he is. If you offer a service unlike any other taxidermy studio then why should I not talk about it. I HAVE worked in those HIGH PRODUCTION studio where the owner "supposedly" looks over the workers. I have plenty of experience in those types of shop and how it works....When you come in monday morning you have a quota pile of work orders on your bench...You just put them together one after another like a machine and all the time you know by the end of the week you better have 8,00o worth of work or more up on the wall dying or next employee review or pay raise meeting or monthly company meeting your going to have to answer to why?
In my STUDIO we don't have a QUOTA , I with Jamie take however long it takes to make it right.
As for me and my delivery. I am quite different that's for sure. I am not someone else here or in my daily business and someone else away from that.. I speak my mind, my political and personal views everyday. Just yesterday had a client tell me he had chosen the right guy because of my views posts and my words all over the net about many different things. He the day before and his friend both on this forum dropped 20 animals and 11 animals from Africa on my studio floor to be done...
 
Continued success is what I wish for you. And your right I probably should have consulted with you on price. Let's see what next year brings.
 
Dennis, Ted's kudu is amazing. You should both be very proud.
 
Continued success is what I wish for you. And your right I probably should have consulted with you on price. Let's see what next year brings.

Thanks Johnny, glad your here, you're one of the good guys, I least I think so ...have to ask Royal LOL Have a good week.
 
Johnny,

This horse has been beat, so I will keep it short. I don't think Dennis is putting down anyone's work. He's simply pointing out he is a small one man shop and therefore totally controls his work. That's it, IMO.

We are all lucky to have choices. I'm not expert either, but threads like these lately have helped me and I hope they will others.
 
Awesome horn color!! Wish I new how you did it.
 
well another step down and my trophies are in my garage. My shipping cost was to the penny done by rex freight and joe at coppersmith did all clearing for 350 which is top shelf in my book.

Crate was well built and packed perfect by the guys at relive and all trophies came in good shape. I must just be one lucky guy to have had 4 crates come in from all my trips and all in great shape. Knocking on wood now. LOL

So now seeing all my stuff in person they are what all who seen them before me said they would be. I am super pleased with each mount and even more pleased with the $8000.00 I saved on all the work I had done.

I did do a lot of work looking for a place that would do my mounts to my liking and that stay in touch as they did the work. (With out ah I may never have heard of relive at all). To also finding a shipper who gave me prices most still cant believe I got for shipping. Almost like my taxidermist and shipper worked together but passed the saving on to me instead of one paying the other for getting them business. To finding an agent to clear my stuff that charges for work they do and not what they may need to do if there is a problem.

I hope all the info helps some people down the road. If you like apples or oranges pick the one you like and go with it no matter what anyone tells. If all goes well you will not end up with lemons and have the same luck I have had.




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Super bill! Happy everything arrived in good shape. Wait till you unpack the giraffe..love it
 

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