Bullets For Buffalo

[Brian]

Spike and Pete,
I have offered proof including research reports on hundreds of buffalo, not hearsay.
I can tell that you did not read them. Thats all from me.
Brian

 

[spike.t]

I do not consider shooting buffalo out of a hide over water with a rifle as hunting but to each there own..........

As got sent link to last page actually only read first one now...and @lvW you beat me to what I was going say by only nearly a year.....

 

[spike.t]

Spike and Pete,
I have offered proof including research reports on hundreds of buffalo, not hearsay.
I can tell that you did not read them. Thats all from me.
Brian

Yeah...but as I said those aren't standard cup and core...and seen them kill buffalo with one shot as well....so.....and will be happy using bearclaws ...Pete prefers A-frames ...but he has the odd issue....

 

[machinistbutler]

A hunter on a Canadian site who has hunted Africa extensively had a terrible failure with the raptor bullet. He will not use them ever again. I can't remember if it hit a small tree or something but the bullet opened before hitting the animal.

With an animal that can stomp you that would be less than ideal.

There solid design looks very well done though.

 

[PeteG]

Spike and Pete,
I have offered proof including research reports on hundreds of buffalo, not hearsay.
I can tell that you did not read them. Thats all from me.
Brian

Everything has been read. I also read your article that was published in African Outfitter ( I think. It was a while ago)

to clear things up, you are saying that using a peregrine brass solid is better than using a peregrine bushmaster expanding bullet?

 

[IvW]

I am old school I will leave experimenting to the new folks in the meantime I will use what has worked for me without any issues for many years, premium grade expanders which in my case are Rhino 570gr in my 500 Jeff for buff, coming or going and Rhino or Dzombo 570 gr meplat brass solids.....they shoot through Rhino from the front...I ave found what works for me so I will stick to that for now.....

Yes I prefer high SD versus velocity....

 

[spike.t]

Yeah...but as I said those aren't standard cup and core...and seen them kill buffalo with one shot as well....so.....and will be happy using bearclaws ...Pete prefers A-frames ...but he has the odd issue....

When said Pete has odd issue..not with the A-frame...just his choices...ha ha...my smileys still awol

 

[Brian]

Please let me know how it goes.

Hi again, This probably isn't new to you. Re-assembly of a Break open H&R can be a PIA.
Sometimes it takes bad language to get it done. Here are great instruction by somebody I know nothing about. The site sure helped me.
Mainly it is about doing a trigger job on the Handi rifle. The steel in the trigger is very nice to work on. I have done a few. The is guy, in my opinion, applies too much lube/grease when he re-assembles.
One must not get any lube oil at all on the barrel latch.
I am probably preaching to the choir. If so, sorry. Just try to be helpful.
Cheers, Brian

http://perkloafm.com/pdf/Handi_instr_twob.pdf

 

[Brian]

I am old school I will leave experimenting to the new folks in the meantime I will use what has worked for me without any issues for many years, premium grade expanders which in my case are Rhino 570gr in my 500 Jeff for buff, coming or going and Rhino or Dzombo 570 gr meplat brass solids.....they shoot through Rhino from the front...I ave found what works for me so I will stick to that for now.....

Yes I prefer high SD versus velocity....

IvW,
I have used Rhino expanding bullets on tough plains game, They are awesome. Expand perfectly but not too much, penetrate, hold their weight and kill well. I would use them, soft or solid on buffalo too. That 557gr 500 Jeff must be a real hammer on buffalo.

 

[Brian]

A hunter on a Canadian site who has hunted Africa extensively had a terrible failure with the raptor bullet. He will not use them ever again. I can't remember if it hit a small tree or something but the bullet opened before hitting the animal.

With an animal that can stomp you that would be less than ideal.

There solid design looks very well done though.

Yes, The Raptors will NOT go through any brush.

 

[IvW]

IvW,
I have used Rhino expanding bullets on tough plains game, They are awesome. Expand perfectly but not too much, penetrate, hold their weight and kill well. I would use them, soft or solid on buffalo too. That 557gr 500 Jeff must be a real hammer on buffalo.

Sure is I only use the expanders on buffalo, coming or going one well placed shot sorts them out. Typical expansion is 2.5x diameter with 4 to 5 jagged petals as aposed to a round mushroom. It is also the bullet caliber combination that puts buffalo down very decisively especially when they are coming your way at speed....seems to instantly disconnect the water and lights so to speak

 

[Brian]

That would work, but I chose to do it my way. I wanted every shot to be exactly the same for comparison, placement, angle and distance. It was 50 yds.

I have killed 5 cape buffalo by the proper stalking method. I find it very satisfying to get close into a herd and pick out one animal. My first one was, 22 paces. We were right in the midst of a small herd. I used a 375HH with NorthFork Cup Point Solid.
You could make that shot 4X with your rifle? Good man. My grandmother could make it 5X with her long bow while knitting a sweater. ( Just trying to be funny, no offence.)
Cheers, Brian

That would work, but I chose to do it my way. I wanted every shot to be exactly the same for comparison, placement, angle and distance. It was 50 yds.

I have killed 5 cape buffalo by the proper stalking method. I find it very satisfying to get close into a herd and pick out one animal. My first one was, 22 paces. We were right in the midst of a small herd. I used a 375HH with NorthFork Cup Point Solid.
You could make that shot 4X with your rifle? Good man. My grandmother could make it 5X with her long bow while knitting a sweater. ( Just trying to be funny, no offence.)
Cheers, Brian

 

[Brian]

That would work, but I chose to do it my way. I wanted every shot to be exactly the same for comparison, placement, angle and distance. It was 50 yds.

I have killed 5 cape buffalo by the proper stalking method. I find it very satisfying to get close into a herd and pick out one animal. My first one was, 22 paces. We were right in the midst of a small herd. I used a 375HH with NorthFork Cup Point Solid.
You could make that shot 4X with your rifle? Good man. My grandmother could make it 5X with her long bow while knitting a sweater. ( Just trying to be funny, no offence.)
Cheers, Brian

IvW,
Like most other people I offer stories, reports and my own point of views on these forums to share and be helpful and get the same back. I don't try to convince other posters to change and do things my. ( Although I do get over excited at times. chuckle) That's why I appreciate your responses. We state our case and back it up with a bit of supporting docs. That's it.
I have found that the topic of bullets can be touchy with some folks.
I am offering a story/report on my bullet testing now because I I like too. That's all.
( I sanitize the true story a bit in my writing. The fact is, I opted for the hide and waterhole scenario because my wife and I just played out after 3 days of walking and stalking for buffalo in a windy time. She had the video camera and it was her first buffalo hunt since having open heart surgery. I have no excuse except that I am just getting old, sore and lazy. 76. I don't think that I would use a blind again but I did enjoy it at the time. It reminded be bit of my goose hunting days, sorta. chuckle.)

The two PH's, the tracker and my wife and I enjoyed it but you are right it is not hunting it is just shooting.

Sadly, Adriaan Rall passed away recently. Some folks told me that I got the history the development of the BushMaster bullet a bit wrong. I am inclined to believe them, but I am not sure.

I hope you and other readers just in enjoy story/report. Brian

 

[Brian]

Sure is I only use the expanders on buffalo, coming or going one well placed shot sorts them out. Typical expansion is 2.5x diameter with 4 to 5 jagged petals as aposed to a round mushroom. It is also the bullet caliber combination that puts buffalo down very decisively especially when they are coming your way at speed....seems to instantly disconnect the water and lights so to speak

I'll bet it does. Brian

 

[Brian]

I am old school I will leave experimenting to the new folks in the meantime I will use what has worked for me without any issues for many years, premium grade expanders which in my case are Rhino 570gr in my 500 Jeff for buff, coming or going and Rhino or Dzombo 570 gr meplat brass solids.....they shoot through Rhino from the front...I ave found what works for me so I will stick to that for now.....

Yes I prefer high SD versus velocity....

IvW,
On March 28, 2017 you posted the following and i agree with you. Brian

"I have only used flat point/meplat solids with great results and never felt the need to change."

 

[IvW]

IvW,
On March 28, 2017 you posted the following and i agree with you. Brian

"I have only used flat point/meplat solids with great results and never felt the need to change."

Yes when I use solids that is what I use, but not on buffalo

 

[Brian]

IvW, The heading of your posts reads,"North fork cup point solids on buffalo?"
Sure looks like you were talking about hunting buffalo. But I will take your word for it. chuckle. Brian

 

[IvW]

North fork cup point solids on buffalo?

hey all, i would like to hear from any one here that has experience with north fork cup point solids on cape buffalo. i recently booked a hunt to south Africa for cape buffalo. i will be taking my 450-400 zoli, o/u double. i intend to use north fork 400 gr softs, i think they are an...

www.africahunting.com

Read my first post again to avoid confusion...

 

[Hunter-Habib]

For hunting Cape Buffalo , I've used the following bullets :
* Remington 500 Gr round nose cupronickel jacketed FMJ ( in .458 Winchester Magnum )
* RWS 300 Gr TUG ( in .375 Holland & Holland Magnum )
* Remington 300 Gr round nose steel jacket FMJ ( in .375 Holland & Holland Magnum )
* Federal 300 Gr Trophy Bonded Bear Claw ( in .375 Holland & Holland Magnum )
* Norma African PH 600 Gr Woodleigh soft point ( in .505 Gibbs )

I like the Federal TBBC bullet the most . Many close friends of mine like the Swift A Frame too . One of my white hunters almost exclusively uses the Rhino Solid Shank .

But Solids on a Cape Buffalo are now mostly a thing of the past ( unless you're the white hunter and you're going after Cape Buffalo in elephant country ) .

 

[Brian]

All solids are not the same. Big changes in the last two decades.