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Boeing: Bolts missing from door, says blowout report

A door that blew away from a Boeing 737 Max may not have been properly secured, a new report says.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Brent in Az]

Someone got the axe

Boeing exec out after 737 Max door plug failure

Boeing Commercial Airplanes chief Stan Deal announced changes to leadership of the 737 Max program.

www.foxbusiness.com

 

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Mmm......

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/01/business/faa-boeing-737-max-787-dreamliner-safety-issues/index.html

 

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https://edition.cnn.com/travel/boeing-737-max-passenger-boycott/index.html

 

[Brent in Az]

Boeing, Alaska Airlines hit with $1B lawsuit filed by 3 Flight 1282 passengers

Three passengers who were on the Alaska Airlines MAX 9 jet that made an emergency landing in January after a door plug flew off are suing Boeing and Alaska Airlines for $1 billion.

www.foxbusiness.com

 

[Woodcarver]

Boeing, Alaska Airlines hit with $1B lawsuit filed by 3 Flight 1282 passengers

Three passengers who were on the Alaska Airlines MAX 9 jet that made an emergency landing in January after a door plug flew off are suing Boeing and Alaska Airlines for $1 billion.

www.foxbusiness.com

The irony of these kind of lawsuits that have ludicrous numbers involved, is that should they and the others succeed, and are awarded the full amounts, they will be some of the very few that can afford to continue to fly. Those dollars are part of the cost of doing business and must be recovered somewhere, somehow. Most commonly through increased cost of the product or service being sold. When a new airliner costs more, so do the tickets to sit in one.
I don't disagree that there is a problem with Boeing right now, Alaska Air had a huge maintenance failure, and those on that airplane went through a traumatic experience, but $1B?, not even close to reasonable. And no, I have no connection to Boeing or Alaska Air.

 

[Doubleplay]

Boeing, Alaska Airlines hit with $1B lawsuit filed by 3 Flight 1282 passengers

Three passengers who were on the Alaska Airlines MAX 9 jet that made an emergency landing in January after a door plug flew off are suing Boeing and Alaska Airlines for $1 billion.

www.foxbusiness.com

Complete utter bullsh.. and only allowed here in America.
What are they suing for?
Being alive?

 

[Brent in Az]

The irony of these kind of lawsuits that have ludicrous numbers involved, is that should they and the others succeed, and are awarded the full amounts, they will be some of the very few that can afford to continue to fly. Those dollars are part of the cost of doing business and must be recovered somewhere, somehow. Most commonly through increased cost of the product or service being sold. When a new airliner costs more, so do the tickets to sit in one.
I don't disagree that there is a problem with Boeing right now, Alaska Air had a huge maintenance failure, and those on that airplane went through a traumatic experience, but $1B?, not even close to reasonable. And no, I have no connection to Boeing or Alaska Air.

More than likely, the passengers that were close to that door blowout, could have been approached by an an ambulance chasing lawyer. Happens all the time
The lawyer flings a big number on the lawsuit knowing full well that it will probably settle at a very small fraction of that. Lawyer gets 50% of the settlement.

 

[Brent in Az]

Boeing whistleblower found dead.

A hit job?

Boeing whistleblower John Barnett found dead in US

Barnett blew the whistle on alleged safety problems at Boeing and had been giving evidence in a lawsuit against the company

www.independent.co.uk

 

[WAB]

More than likely, the passengers that were close to that door blowout, could have been approached by an an ambulance chasing lawyer. Happens all the time
The lawyer flings a big number on the lawsuit knowing full well that it will probably settle at a very small fraction of that. Lawyer gets 50% of the settlement.

Not to quibble, but isn’t it typically 30%?

 

[Brent in Az]

Not to quibble, but isn’t it typically 30%?

Depends on what deal they make with the plaintiff?

 

[Challer]

Complete utter bullsh.. and only allowed here in America.
What are they suing for?
Being alive?

Doubleplay, what do you feel is fair compensation? Nothing? A $400 voucher? Fact is that Boeing's 737 Max is killing people due to negligence on Boeings part. In the case of the first two crashes, it was determined they never did end-to-end test of the software to save money. ETE testing is a fundamental tenet of software development. Despite lots of internal discussions from engineers that the project was in danger of killing people through poor design and construction. The GA 787 plant has even more problems. The whistleblower just died under suspicious circumstances.

Now put your youngest child/grandchild in that seat beside the door that blew out and tell us honestly you think they should just be happy to walk away and Boeing gets a free ride.

No, these lawsuits serve a purpose. Boeing has known of the design and manufacturing deficiencies throughout the system for a few years now, and has taken no meaningful corrective action. The system is designed for the lawsuits to inflict sufficient pain that they wake up and do something. This isn't hot coffee being spilled by an idiot.

 

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More......

FAA audit of Boeing’s 737 production found mechanics using hotel card and dish soap as makeshift tools: report

The FAA discovered “unacceptable” quality control issues during an audit into Boeing and supplier Spirit AeroSystems that was launched after a door plug flew off a 737 Max 9 mid-air at …

nypost.com

 

[375 Ruger Fan]

Not to quibble, but isn’t it typically 30%?

The other 20% is for the BIG GUY!

Seriously, I think it's 30% if settled and 50% if it goes to court or is appealed. YMMV.

 

[IvW]

Doubleplay, what do you feel is fair compensation? Nothing? A $400 voucher? Fact is that Boeing's 737 Max is killing people due to negligence on Boeings part. In the case of the first two crashes, it was determined they never did end-to-end test of the software to save money. ETE testing is a fundamental tenet of software development. Despite lots of internal discussions from engineers that the project was in danger of killing people through poor design and construction. The GA 787 plant has even more problems. The whistleblower just died under suspicious circumstances.

Now put your youngest child/grandchild in that seat beside the door that blew out and tell us honestly you think they should just be happy to walk away and Boeing gets a free ride.

No, these lawsuits serve a purpose. Boeing has known of the design and manufacturing deficiencies throughout the system for a few years now, and has taken no meaningful corrective action. The system is designed for the lawsuits to inflict sufficient pain that they wake up and do something. This isn't hot coffee being spilled by an idiot.

Agreed sue the crap out of them......

 

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I agree that Boeing needs to feel some pain. Large settlements tend to get the Board of Directors to pay attention. I also feel like the FAA has some culpability. I know that government is a poor provider of almost any service. They are insulated from the market forces that tend to ensure value. But the FAA has an important role in the safety of aircraft design and manufacturing. It’s one thing if the Department of Distributing Political Gifts screws up. It’s quite another when airplanes start falling out of the sky. I’m sure there will be studies, maybe even blue ribbon panels, and in the end, no civil servant will lose their job. Boeing execs deserve to do some time, but their civil service counterparts ought to be their cell mates.

 

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Doubleplay, what do you feel is fair compensation? Nothing? A $400 voucher? Fact is that Boeing's 737 Max is killing people due to negligence on Boeings part. In the case of the first two crashes, it was determined they never did end-to-end test of the software to save money. ETE testing is a fundamental tenet of software development. Despite lots of internal discussions from engineers that the project was in danger of killing people through poor design and construction. The GA 787 plant has even more problems. The whistleblower just died under suspicious circumstances.

Now put your youngest child/grandchild in that seat beside the door that blew out and tell us honestly you think they should just be happy to walk away and Boeing gets a free ride.

No, these lawsuits serve a purpose. Boeing has known of the design and manufacturing deficiencies throughout the system for a few years now, and has taken no meaningful corrective action. The system is designed for the lawsuits to inflict sufficient pain that they wake up and do something. This isn't hot coffee being spilled by an idiot.

I’m not talking about 737 Max crashes. What’s to sue in this particular case? There are emergencies happening everyday in aviation. It could have been an airbus. Our plane got a hydraulic failure one time and we had to an emergency landing. Should I sue?

 

[Brent in Az]

I suspected as much

 

[mdwest]

too soon?

 

[Challer]

I’m not talking about 737 Max crashes. What’s to sue in this particular case? There are emergencies happening everyday in aviation. It could have been an airbus. Our plane got a hydraulic failure one time and we had to an emergency landing. Should I sue?

Are you seriously equating the two?

A random non-life threatinging failed hydraulics is very different from a plane that continues to have predictable fatal consequences because of known and unaddressed systemic problems.

And in case you didn't know, Boeing is refusing to cooperate with NTSB regarding the door plug blow out claiming they cannot produce anyone or any paperwork related to the work.

I will charter a flight for you and you get to sit in the seat beside the plug as it blows out and you are not wearing a seat belt.

I travel every week and have for 40 years, have lived through dozens of aborted landings and takeoffs and 5000 ft plunges. Very different than a plane that the vendor knows is dangerous, refuses to fix and thinks have no culpability. So don't gaslight me.

It's a sad day for American industry. It used to be "Boeing or I'm not going." Now passengers and pilots are boycotting the 737 Max. Except for the your charter flight.