A thorough conversation with Swarovski - Conclusion: Rookhawk knows nothing and is wrong about everything

[Beck]

also I gotta tel you, if you haven't looked at a Meopta lately you're making a mistake - not quite a swarovski, but very close

 

[WAB]

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That descibes hunting in Alabama and Mississippi for deer and hogs perfectly.

Agreed. It’s quite a shock when you see a buck in full light.

 

[Hunting Hitman]

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Boy, they sure are going to be disappointed I took my binos with me to Afghanistan...

SAVAGE!…I love it.

HH

 

[One Day...]

Yes, @One Day... had a very detailed explanation of all this in one of his posts on a thread but I can't remember which one.

The formula is simple: the diameter of light beam coming out of the ocular = the diameter of the objective / (divided by) the magnification.

56 mm objective / 8 magnification = 7 mm light beam through the ocular
42 mm objective / 6 magnification = 7 mm light beam through the ocular
24 mm objective / 3.5 magnification = 7 mm light beam through the ocular

7 mm is the maximum size the human pupil can dilate at dusk or dawn.

3 mm is the typical human pupil size in full sunlight. This is why a 1-8 x 24 DG scope works in full daylight (24 mm objective / 8 magnification = 3 mm light beam through the ocular), but why it must be cranked down to ~3x at dusk or dawn.

This is why typical European variable, when science still has something to do with product design, were 1.5-6x42 (standard optic for stalking); 2-8x56 (specialized optic for dawn or dusk - and sometimes night - stand hunting; 125-4x20 (typical for driven wild board and DG); etc.

 

[Yukontom]

I agree, they would do themselves a credit to get a fixed 4x and practice.

First of all I don't think we (the majority of us anyway) should shoot at game much past 400 yards and rarely at that. But we do have rifles that are capable, and I have pulled it off. I think WAB was amazed that anyone would bother dialing a turret at that range which I also agree with. So I guess this means we don't really need turrets for hunting if we know our rifle and practice. New shooters today however seem to maybe be caught up in the technology and like dials and buttons to play with. Us old school folks seem to like the KISS principal. And also see beauty and elegance in simplicity.

 

[V.Veritas]

7 mm is the maximum size the human pupil can dilate at dusk or dawn.

Also, with aging the pupil flexibility decreases and after 50 years of age rarely can dilate over 5mm. So it can't use all the light beam that a younger eye can.

 

[Yukontom]

"POS Leupod"........wow.......

Almost every big game animal I have successfully hunted has been with a Leupold scope. I started that way about 50 plus years ago and never found a reason to change. I do however have a beat up pair of Swarovski binos that have been around the world in the last 20 years plus and are still awesome.

 

[Ruraldoc]

I have not bought a new Swarovski rifle scope in several years.

I have bought and had good luck with several Meoptas, especially the higher end ones.

Hunting in low light in fields in Alabama and Mississippi, I use Euro scopes with bold or illuminated reticles. If the scope has a 42 mm objective, I set it at 6 power.

If it had a 50mm objective, it gets set at 7 power. , and a 56 mm scope gets set at 8 power.

This gives me a 7mm exit pupil with all of them and will allow shots well into the nighttime when you have a clear sky and decent moon light. It is legal to hunt hogs all night here so you get to see how scopes do in low light hunting situations.

In Africa, most hunting is done in daylight unless you are on a special night hunt.

Scopes with smaller objectives are totally at home, I am a little more comfortable traveling with the smaller scopes as well.

I used a Trijicon 1-6x24 on my 416 and a Ziess 3-12x42 on my 308. These two scopes are worth looking at in todays market.

Both have held zero perfectly and the optics are very good as well. Both sell for a fraction of the price of comparable Swarovskis.

The Green Triangle reticle in the Trijicon had to be used in the field to be appreciated.

At 1x, the scope is just the thing for dangerous game and is a fast as a red dot or open sights. At 6x, it’s good out at least 300 yards. Trijicon says it will handle the recoil of any of the big African cartridges. The eye relief is listed at 3.9 inches but is very forgiving and mine is set around 4.25 inches and works well for me.

 

[PerH]

Primarily a European thing. I was shooting a blaser topped by Swarovski with a 56 mm objective lens in Romania. It fit well as the stock was set up for it. On my first stag it made no difference over a more typical scope. My second stag was before first light. The stag was roaring as he walked up the side of a meadow. That scope made all the difference.

I will say, the first time I lived in Wyoming legal shooting ran until an hour after sundown. That’s pretty dang dark!

A 2,5-10x or 3-12x either 50 or 56 is much favored as a allround scope by many due to the dusk dawn one . With the newer types like 3-15x56 of a compact version it’s also quite useful .

But not to speak about Swaro for a sec here , but there is a 2-10x42 illuminated one made by the famous spy camera maker that make one think would be good as day / dusk scope .

But I have used a 3-12x42 as dusk dawn also . When that got dark it was truly flash light dark to find road out of there .