458 Win Mag vs 458 Lott....The facts

[Riflecrank]

SAAMI .458 WM & .458 WM+ velocities mentioned above are from 24" barrel length.

 

[Hunting Hitman]

SAAMI .458 WM & .458 WM+ velocities mentioned above are from 24" barrel length.

As I suspected your calculations only work with shorter less desirable bullets.
I don’t use Hornady DGS or DGX bullets having personally seen them fail in 2013/2014 safaris until I finally realized they were shit. I know they changed the construction of the bullets to bonded without ever admitting the inferior product they put out before nor accepting responsibility for potential harm some may have had to them because of that shit product.
Any benefits you get from the shorter bullets such as the TBBC can also be extrapolated to the Lott load to a better ballistic performance than the 458 win mag. Frankly it’s silly to to argue the Win Mag is superior to the Lott.

Lastly those foolish enough to diminish the Blaser R8’s performance due so at their own ignorance. I own plenty of different manufacturers rifles and find the Blaser’s to be a fine and deadly weapon.

HH

 

[Wyatt Smith]

From my limited research, it seems the Lott will reach 2150 with a wider variety of powders than the win mag will. For an African PH that could be very beneficial.

 

[Riflecrank]

HH: As I suspected your calculations only work with shorter less desirable bullets.

Riflecrank: There were no calculations involved , just reality.
Unless you take offense at the reality analysis by standard deviation calculation on the LabRadar results?
But you are crazy if you think that calculation only works with "shorter less desirable bullets."
And the reality is that the longer the bullet is, the more advantageous for the .458 WM+ to use it in beating a SAAMI .458 Lott.
The only problem with the 500-gr/.458 CEB Safari Solid is the screwy drive-band lay-out.

HH: I don’t use Hornady DGS or DGX bullets having personally seen them fail in 2013/2014 safaris until I finally realized they were shit. I know they changed the construction of the bullets to bonded without ever admitting the inferior product they put out before nor accepting responsibility for potential harm some may have had to them because of that shit product.

Riflecrank: Now you are having "flight of ideas" off to blaming a different bullet maker just because I do not like one of the hundreds of bullets made by CEB. Sounds like "transference" in psychoanalytic lingo. Get help.
The CEB Safari Solid is the best design possible except when they get the drive-band layout screwed up for my application. Maybe it suits another man's needs, not mine.

HH: Any benefits you get from the shorter bullets such as the TBBC can also be extrapolated to the Lott load to a better ballistic performance than the 458 win mag. Frankly it’s silly to to argue the Win Mag is superior to the Lott.

Riflecrank: I was using the TBSS not the TBBC in that last bit of "REALITY." Frankly, you have no understanding of what the SAAMI .458 WM throat is capable of. THROAT THROAT THROAT.
Physics does not lie.

HH: Lastly those foolish enough to diminish the Blaser R8’s performance due so at their own ignorance. I own plenty of different manufacturers rifles and find the Blaser’s to be a fine and deadly weapon.

Riflecrank: I shall "due so at their own ignorance." Blasers do impress as being a "fine and deadly weapon" in a suicide kind of way.

 

[Riflecrank]

From my limited research, it seems the Lott will reach 2150 with a wider variety of powders than the win mag will. For an African PH that could be very beneficial.

Finally, maybe an advantage of the .458 Lott over the .458 WinMag
for those with limited access to handloading resources such as powder selection.
Maybe.

But there are at least 4 dozen powders that I find useful in the .458 WM,
not counting the pistol and shotgun powders used for squib and birdshot loads.
About the same with the .458 Lott.

I will admit the .458 Lott is better with birdshot loads and shorter length bullets
for rat killin'.

 

[Wyatt Smith]

I can tell you this much @Riflecrank if I ever own a Lott I will ream if with a win mag reamer to get the best of both.

 

[Riflecrank]

Wyatt Smith,
You are a wise man.
Then you will be able to use this data safely
(mine from a 24"-factory-barreled SAAMI .458 WinMag Ruger No. 1 at 80*F)
and I am sure you won't work up to it until after you run that SAAMI .458 WinMag reamer into your SAAMI .458 Lott:

Primer used in that W-W Super brass was a GM215M or F215, same-same.
Hornady, Winchester, Remington and Federal cases all have about same gross H2O capacity for the .458 Winchester Magnum.
Norma .458 WM has about 4.5 grains greater gross H2O capacity,
so equivalent loads with that brass may use the same powder charges and ~ 0.100" shorter COL.

So many bullets do well in the .458 WM+
and so many powders too.
So many excellent combinations, too many to shake a stick at.

 

[Hunting Hitman]

Wyatt Smith,
You are a wise man.
Then you will be able to use this data safely
(mine from a 24"-factory-barreled SAAMI .458 WinMag Ruger No. 1 at 80*F)
and I am sure you won't work up to it until after you run that SAAMI .458 WinMag reamer into your SAAMI .458 Lott:

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Primer used in that W-W Super brass was a GM215M or F215, same-same.
Hornady, Winchester, Remington and Federal cases all have about same gross H2O capacity for the .458 Winchester Magnum.
Norma .458 WM has about 4.5 grains greater gross H2O capacity,
so equivalent loads with that brass may use the same powder charges and ~ 0.100" shorter COL.

View attachment 647967

So many bullets do well in the .458 WM+
and so many powders too.
So many excellent combinations, too many to shake a stick at.

You continue to quote statistics on the win mag +(this is a wildcat variant of the 458 win mag and not commercially loaded for)

If you ever lose your ammo while traveling your in serious trouble

458 Lott is far superior to the 458 win mag…period.

HH