.425 Express?

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@Badboymelvin
Your rifle is ideal for what you want mate. Even fits me like a glove. The stock is just fine for mitigating recoil as I find it a pussy cat that roars.
Ideal weight for that sambar country.
Bob

Thanks Bob (y)

You ARE someone who can comment on my rifle mate - as you have actually laid hands on it, shouldered it and fired it.

I think recoil is stout as it's putting out around 60ft/lbs - but its not a problem in the field, just as none of my .458's, .375's, .338's, .375 Weatherby, etc... have been a problem in the field either...

I think pointing out the 'flaws' of someone else's custom rifle based on 1 photo and without having even laid eyes on it is pretty poor form...

Russ
 
I think pointing out the 'flaws' of someone else's custom rifle based on 1 photo and without having even laid eyes on it is pretty poor form...
Hey, if You wanna get stroked, go to the Zoo!
I said what I thought and If You can‘t take the punch, (weather from my words or from Your own gun) why do You post pics? Nobody asked You to!
Did You expect just uuuuhs and aaaahs for this idea of a „custom gun“ after Your 30 year’s experience?
Sorry when I didn‘t meet Your expectations!
 
Hey, if You wanna get stroked, go to the Zoo!
I said what I thought and If You can‘t take the punch, (weather from my words or from Your own gun) why do You post pics? Nobody asked You to!
Did You expect just uuuuhs and aaaahs for this idea of a „custom gun“ after Your 30 year’s experience?
Sorry when I didn‘t meet Your expectations!

SMH…
 
If anyone does have any questions regarding the 425 Express, just message me and I’ll help as much as l can…

I have a bit of load data on hand that worked well in my rifle (so that’s a start) and l can help with correctly headstamped brass.

It’s a great cartridge and if someone want to go down this route, I’ll help as much as l can.

Russ
 
Dear Big Bore Friends,

Surfing for all interesting things about Big Game and Co. I stumbled over this thread.
This is quiet some days back but I like to contribute some more information about this great cartridge, the .425 Express Magnum.

First I like to tell You, that I've lived more than 15 years in southern africa, being very much engaged to everything concerning hunting african game. That is now more than 20 years ago.
As today there was in these days and the days before the ultimate question, which caliber is suitable, to handle next to all situations, which can occure in the african bush. The local african farmers weren't so much concerned about diameter and energy, mostly the 30-06 Springfield was used to handle all, which needed final solutions.
Sometimes on the farms, if one shot wasn't enough in the one or other case, quantity did the job at least, means fire until no life signs were shown from the target anymore.

To be fair, I have to mention that those farmers were mostly splendid shooters and the .30 caliber in their hands was a serious combination, because they knew how and where to place the shot. Oryx, Kudu, Hartebeest or even Eland was harvested with the 30-06. No problem!!
Cats or bigger needed more attention and ammo. Besides, 30-06 ammo was cheap and all time available from PMP made in RSA.

For me as an european hunter, it had to be more than just doing the trick with an ordinary 30-06, it had to be a big bore rifle with an impressive datasheet and a even so impressive cartridge.
Most used or new big bore rifles, which were available in african gun shops these days, where of two types: Totally screwed or unaffordable.
So I decided to built my own. Parts like Barrel, stock, trigger were quickly decided.
Due to the fact, that I'm a great admirer of the Mauser K98 bolt action, nothing else was even an option. The question about the caliber was a more time taking decission. First I was with the .458 Winchester Magnum. Handloaded with good 350 Grain bullets for daily business, generating next to 30-06 outside ballistics, and the 500 Grainers for closer and bigger sized game, there wasn't much empty space.
Sadly there was that rumour, that the .458 had often problems with powder clumping and due to that missfires, I discarded that idea and searched for another caliber, fitting into those affordable but also limited 98 action dimensions.
At that time I read about this .425 Express Magnum and was fired up. At once my "how-to-get-hold-of-components" mill started to spin. Due to .300 Winchester brass, which was left by lots of hunting tourists, which seemed to love the fast burner, brass wouldn't be a problem feeding the 425. In one of the older hardware stores I had found a bulk of old and dusty Woodleigh bullets 400 Grain for the .404 Jeffrey, which has the bore diameter of .423.
To my luck, that was exactly the bullet, the .425 Express was eating too. So those 300 bullets changed the owner very quickly for a special rack cleaning price and made the final configuration. So I ordered a gun smith in Capetown, who was willing to do the job to built me that gun. An old but pristine action from WW I, a Mauser K98 signed 1908, from Deutsche Waffen- und Munitionsfabriken BERLIN, made for Brasil, was transplanted smoothly as it feeded cartridges from the magazin into my project. Even so a barrel from USA and a "break-like-glas" Timney trigger.
Some month later I had my .425 Express Magnum with a fitty Safari walnut stock in my hands. RCBS had sended me allready the dies. All together for sure no bargain, but what a hell of fun. Here we go!!

Just one thing has to be said about this cartridge: Wow !!
The .425 Express Magnum fullfilled all my dreams about a bigbore rifle. Everything I shot at, didn't do anything more than collapsing in it's tracks. Buffalo, Giraffe, Hippo, Crocodile or even tiny bushbok or waterhole warthog, nothing went lost.
Reloading is easy, shooting is a pleasure, because it's no thumper and it kills like being hit with a big hammer. What a great gun, what a great cartridge.
The only thing I changed in my configuration was the use of new and branded brass.
I ordered them in big number new from a manufacturer in Germany.
In the upper thread You will find those " RO SCH .425 Expr." shells, which are out of my lot.

Now I still have quiet some brandnew .425 Express brass left, which I offer to all, who are, same as me, owner of gunnery fitted with this wonderfull cartridge.

If You need new and originally stamped brass for the .425 Express Magnum, please contact me. I'm sure, we come along concerning pricing.

Good hunting and always good wind

Roland
Dear 425 Express Magnum Fans,

I sold now the last 425 brass, I had available!
Thank You for Your interest.
 
Thanks Bob (y)

You ARE someone who can comment on my rifle mate - as you have actually laid hands on it, shouldered it and fired it.

I think recoil is stout as it's putting out around 60ft/lbs - but its not a problem in the field, just as none of my .458's, .375's, .338's, .375 Weatherby, etc... have been a problem in the field either...

I think pointing out the 'flaws' of someone else's custom rifle based on 1 photo and without having even laid eyes on it is pretty poor form...

Russ
@Badboymelvin
Your welcome Russ. Your 425 Express is a beautiful rifle, functional and fit for purpose.
It's a pleasant rifle to shoot and the recoil is not excessive despite its weight. Actually I found it a pussy cat and would not have guessed the recoil figures to be at 60 pounds.
You have a great rifle that will handle anything that walks. Bit of over kill for sambar but I don't think there's such a thing as to much gun. Dead is dead.
Bob
 
If anyone does have any questions regarding the 425 Express, just message me and I’ll help as much as l can…

I have a bit of load data on hand that worked well in my rifle (so that’s a start) and l can help with correctly headstamped brass.

It’s a great cartridge and if someone want to go down this route, I’ll help as much as l can.

Russ
@Badboymelvin
Generous as usual Russ
Unlike that other Muppet with 30 years of experience. By the sounds of it he thinks he knows everything. It may be so but he also has a bucket full of experience in not knowing how to respect other people's opinions.
Bob
 
Thats no surprise! First your gunstock is too slim, You could fix that by filling some silicon mixed with birdshot into the hollow at the end of the stock . If possible also in the front under the barrel. Brings some weight to the stock. Second, You should have choosen a much thicker barrel. Rugers Alascan shows, how a barrel can be short and heavy. No open sights? What if the gun falls and the scope says goodbye?
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@Rosch
You obviously haven't seen or handled the rifle that @Badboymelvin owns. If you had you wouldn't base your opinion on just the photo.
I'm six and a half foot and 118kg. The stock fits me well and my big hands find the forend more than beefy enough to get a good grip on.
The stock design mitigates recoil beautifully and makes it a pussy cat.
If the scope fails that's why you carry a spare and keep it at camp for just such a thing.
This rifle was built to carry up and down steep hills in sambar country. Not carry around and give you fallen arches at the end of the day. The rifle is designed to be shot in any climate and deliver it's payload accurately and come up smiling and this it does in spades.
Your suggestions may suit YOU but are not for everyone. Each person has their own taste in rifles fortunately otherwise we would all be walking around with the same and have nothing to discuss.
Until you handle the rifle you won't know how well it carries, points and shoots. To me it works wonderfully for its intended purpose. HUNTING.
Bob
 
Maybe the "Brits" had these days other reasons for long barrels like cordite powder as fuel which needed long barrels to built up pressure? Short barrels do have a long tradition here in Germany because of the handyness. The few feet/sec bulletspeed You loose with short barrels are no argument in hide- or in this case Big Game hunting, because You don't shoot far over the horizon.
I'm surprised, that You obviously think RUGER is a bunch of stupid gun smith, frickkeling something clubby together to have a new design for the next shot show?
You can see they are all together smart asses because of so many well thought details on their guns, which makes them (for me) just perfect!
Strong action with long extractor (like K98), great trigger without any shit, good dimension barrels for quick and effective off hand shooting, strong straight waetherproof gun stocks from Hogue with perfect fit, over barrel sling swivel, over barrel front sight, stainless steel, and so on and so on.
All together that looks for me like: Not much missing to an expensive custom gun!
@Rosch
Ruger makes nice rifle BUT like a lot of other manufacturers if the triggers are that good why do a lot of people upgrade them.
My gunsmith spends a lot of time tuning up Ruger triggers more than any others.
Bob
 
@Rosch
Ruger makes nice rifle BUT like a lot of other manufacturers if the triggers are that good why do a lot of people upgrade them.
My gunsmith spends a lot of time tuning up Ruger triggers more than any others.
Bob
Because the Rugers have lawyer triggers; even the LC6 leaves much to be desired drop in Timney is a great choice.

But agree that @Badboymelvin .425 is a great rifle and purpose built beautifully.
 
Fellow Rifle Grumps,

On the topic of 40 bores designed for repeaters, I do understand why some folks don’t want a .416 Rigby.
Ammunition for it is more expensive than the Remington version and recoil from the Rigby is a little more “sporting”, shall we say.
Be that as it may, I personally like the Rigby cartridge, partly due to it’s historical significance but, also due to it’s potential loading to lower pressure (huge volume case capacity) for use in in truly hot weather conditions.

Likewise and furthermore, I do not understand what the .425 Express can do that the .416 Remington has not been doing for over 30 years, equally as well.
At a glance and upon close examination, the .425 Express and the .416 Remington look to be kissing cousins.
Well except that, ammunition is “main stream” for the .416 Remington.
Conversely, .425 Express ammunition is definitely found only in Nowhere’sville.:ROFLMAO:
So, why was the .425 Express ever dreamed up ?
More puzzling, why is it still breathing ?

Stay on That Front Sight !!!,
Velo Dog.

PS:
It is a huge crying shame that, the .404 Jeffery (not “Jefferies”) rifles are so scarce and as such, so expensive.
The .404 Jeffery is a real classic, as well as a very fine heavy game cartridge.
I’d rather have one proper .404 Jeffery Mauser than a tall stack of impossible-to-find-ammunition for —> .425 Express chambered rifles.
 
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Fellow Rifle Grumps,

On the topic of 40 bores designed for repeaters, I do understand why some folks don’t want a .416 Rigby.
Ammunition for it is more expensive than the Remington version and recoil from the Rigby is a little more “sporting”, shall we say.
Be that as it may, I personally like the Rigby cartridge, partly due to it’s historical significance but, also due to it’s potential loading to lower pressure (huge volume case capacity) for use in in truly hot weather conditions.

Likewise and furthermore, I do not understand what the .425 Express can do that the .416 Remington has not been doing for over 30 years, equally as well.
At a glance and upon close examination, the .425 Express and the .416 Remington look to be kissing cousins.
Well except that, ammunition is “main stream” for the .416 Remington.
Conversely, .425 Express ammunition is definitely found only in Nowhere’sville.:ROFLMAO:
So, why was the .425 Express ever dreamed up ?
More puzzling, why is it still breathing ?

Stay on That Front Sight !!!,
Velo Dog.

PS:
It is a huge crying shame that, the .404 Jeffery (not “Jefferies”) rifles are so scarce and as such, so expensive.
The .404 Jeffery is a real classic, as well as a very fine heavy game cartridge.
I’d rather have one proper .404 Jeffery Mauser than a tall stack of impossible-to-find-ammunition for —> .425 Express chambered rifles.

It’s just something that’s different mate.
After shooting/ hunting for 30 years sometimes you just want to go a different route…

The 425 Express is different but effective and both those thing appealed to me… plus a mate built it.

It’s just something a little bit different…

I also really like the .416 Remington Magnum and I’d love to own one in a Winchester M70…

Russ
 
It’s just something that’s different mate.
After shooting/ hunting for 30 years sometimes you just want to go a different route…

The 425 Express is different but effective and both those thing appealed to me… plus a mate built it.

It’s just something a little bit different…

I also really like the .416 Remington Magnum and I’d love to own one in a Winchester M70…

Russ
@Badboymelvin
There's a lot of guns we would all like to own but never will but hey that's life.
Different is good.
Bob
 
@Rosch
Ruger makes nice rifle BUT like a lot of other manufacturers if the triggers are that good why do a lot of people upgrade them.
My gunsmith spends a lot of time tuning up Ruger triggers more than any others.
Bob
@Bob, seems the only thing You like and take without any exception is all about concerning 35Whelen!

The Ruger trigger may be not after everybodies taste, but in my perception the majority of US hunters take it as is! And do very well with it. if You take facts into consideration, like the sales numbers Ruger generates even worldwide!
My opinion: Poor arguement and not fair against Your own US industry.

@Velo Dog: My decision for the 425 Express was never trying being special or a consideration of choosing out of a rack filled with hundreds of big game rifles, it was a decision of whats available and easy to get in then boycotted South Africa!
Why today somebody chooses the .425 Express for his todays custom gun without any need is a miracle to me! There are so many good calibers and available ammo plus components out there, somebody looking for a big bore can choose the best his money can buy!
That wasnt the case my days!
I had plenty used 300 win brass, 400 pc. cal. 423 bullets and a K 98 Mauser standard action! My options were very lean these days! That I ended with something really good which fitted and served me perfectly was big luck!
So yes, I would choose today something else for example like the 416 Ruger or even better and being really flexible, the 458 Winchester with 350 and 450 Grainers in a 52 cm barrel screwed into a K98 standard topped with express open sights, pleased with a good trigger and for good sight a front mounted red dot!
With such a gun I would go after everything in and outside Jurassic Park!!
 
Fellow Rifle Grumps,

On the topic of 40 bores designed for repeaters, I do understand why some folks don’t want a .416 Rigby.
Ammunition for it is more expensive than the Remington version and recoil from the Rigby is a little more “sporting”, shall we say.
Be that as it may, I personally like the Rigby cartridge, partly due to it’s historical significance but, also due to it’s potential loading to lower pressure (huge volume case capacity) for use in in truly hot weather conditions.

Likewise and furthermore, I do not understand what the .425 Express can do that the .416 Remington has not been doing for over 30 years, equally as well.
At a glance and upon close examination, the .425 Express and the .416 Remington look to be kissing cousins.
Well except that, ammunition is “main stream” for the .416 Remington.
Conversely, .425 Express ammunition is definitely found only in Nowhere’sville.:ROFLMAO:
So, why was the .425 Express ever dreamed up ?
More puzzling, why is it still breathing ?

Stay on That Front Sight !!!,
Velo Dog.

PS:
It is a huge crying shame that, the .404 Jeffery (not “Jefferies”) rifles are so scarce and as such, so expensive.
The .404 Jeffery is a real classic, as well as a very fine heavy game cartridge.
I’d rather have one proper .404 Jeffery Mauser than a tall stack of impossible-to-find-ammunition for —> .425 Express chambered rifles.
As I saw just now, You are in business, dealing every day with the results of features of the equipment, Your hunter clients carry with them when out hunting.
Why don't You share with us Your experience, what a good big game rifle in Your opinion really needs and what's just cosmetics. I think, that lots of readers wanna learn something substancial in here and not just listening to special taste and personal habits and preferences!
I'm really tense what's Your thoughts.
 
@Bob, seems the only thing You like and take without any exception is all about concerning 35Whelen!

The Ruger trigger may be not after everybodies taste, but in my perception the majority of US hunters take it as is! And do very well with it. if You take facts into consideration, like the sales numbers Ruger generates even worldwide!
My opinion: Poor arguement and not fair against Your own US industry.

@Velo Dog: My decision for the 425 Express was never trying being special or a consideration of choosing out of a rack filled with hundreds of big game rifles, it was a decision of whats available and easy to get in then boycotted South Africa!
Why today somebody chooses the .425 Express for his todays custom gun without any need is a miracle to me! There are so many good calibers and available ammo plus components out there, somebody looking for a big bore can choose the best his money can buy!
That wasnt the case my days!
I had plenty used 300 win brass, 400 pc. cal. 423 bullets and a K 98 Mauser standard action! My options were very lean these days! That I ended with something really good which fitted and served me perfectly was big luck!
So yes, I would choose today something else for example like the 416 Ruger or even better and being really flexible, the 458 Winchester with 350 and 450 Grainers in a 52 cm barrel screwed into a K98 standard topped with express open sights, pleased with a good trigger and for good sight a front mounted red dot!
With such a gun I would go after everything in and outside Jurassic Park!!
@Rosch
It's not only Ruger that makes rifles with sub standard triggers. Remington, Winchester and Savage triggers all need work to make them acceptable to me
One of the best triggers on a factory rifles was the old Winchester model 70. Easy to adjusts.
All my rifles regardless have had trigger jobs to make them acceptable to ME whether that be an adjustment or replacement. I like all my triggers set at 2-2.5#. Tats the pressure I like. I haven't found an acceptable trigger on a factory rifles yet. The worst was a Savage combination gun that had a 10# trigger.
So it's not only Ruger.
Bob
 

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