375 Ruger vs 375 H&H

[colorado]

All the rifle calibers I shoot were designed before 1945 lol

 

[Jim Golden]

The .375 Weatherby was introduced in 1943...only 31 years after the H&H, and is 80 years old now in its own right. Not exactly a newbie. I have a .375 H&H that I like. But I also like my Weatherby chambered Enfield. And I can shoot H&H's out of it to boot. I've put about 60 of them through it. Works just fine. But I like the extra oomph of the Roy. They're all good. All that said, you guys on here did talk me out of a .460 Weatherby and into a .458 Lott so maybe I'm converting

 

[John Wasmuth]

There was that thought by the nay sayers, of which there are a ton of “cuz what I have is better”, that when the .375 Ruger was developed it wouldn’t last a year and it was just another Johnny come lately cartridge that served no purpose……. Yet here we are a little shy of 20 years and it’s still up and running and it’s not as hard to find ammo in Africa as a lot make it out to be. Opinions on either side are just that, opinions. Both the H and H version and the Ruger are fine cartridges that can do it all.

 

[Velo Dog]

By definition it’s better performance.

Again I ask you, what is “better” performance?

Higher velocity than the tried and true H&H velocity produces ?

I repeat myself in saying that the 300 gr bullet, at H&H velocity of 2550 fps is already 150 fps more than necessary.

The .375 diameter 300 grain bullet @ 2400, in my experience is muey effectivo as it it is.

Beyond that = more recoil, more muzzle blast, more ruined / bloodshot meat and for the hand loader, shorter case life (more split brass).

As originally designed, the original H&H version is well more than enough.

 

[Daisy]

Again I ask you, what is “better” performance?

Higher velocity than the tried and true H&H velocity produces ?

I repeat myself in saying that the 300 gr bullet, at H&H velocity of 2550 fps is already 150 fps more than necessary.

The .375 diameter 300 grain bullet @ 2400, in my experience is muey effectivo as it it is.

Beyond that = more recoil, more muzzle blast, more ruined / bloodshot meat and for the hand loader, shorter case life (more split brass).

As originally designed, the original H&H version is well more than enough.

Again, you continue to bypass what I’ve said. If you can get the same performance from shorter barrel then how is that not a win?
Also, newer cartridges like more velocity than the ones you mention above.

A car that goes faster than another one has better performance. It will tear up faster, be louder, go through brakes faster, etc. But no human alive would say the faster care doesn’t have better performance.

It’s not a big deal my man. Glad you love your cartridge!

 

[375Fox]

Again, you continue to bypass what I’ve said. If you can get the same performance from shorter barrel then how is that not a win?
Also, newer cartridges like more velocity than the ones you mention above.

A car that goes faster than another one has better performance. It will tear up faster, be louder, go through brakes faster, etc. But no human alive would say the faster care doesn’t have better performance.

It’s not a big deal my man. Glad you love your cartridge!

This would be a good podcast for you to listen to. Quite a few definitions of best. Velo Dog’s definition of best is a bit too outdated for me. I don’t agree with all Kevin Robertson’s definition of best either. A reduced recoil 9.3x62 load in his opinion. As far as 375H&H vs 375 Ruger, even though the 375 Ruger technically has better performance, the 375 H&H is best to me because of factory ammo availability and quality of rifles chambered in it. I’m not sure how a shorter barrel than the 21” barrel I have on my 375 H&H would be a benefit to me? It already rides low on my shoulder when slung because of the barrel band.

Ep 97: Africa Hunting Bullets 101 With Kevin Robertson

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Ep 103: Africa Hunting Rifles 101 Kevin Robertson

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[Daisy]

This would be a good podcast for you to listen to. Quite a few definitions of best. Velo Dog’s definition of best is a bit too outdated for me. I don’t agree with all Kevin Robertson’s definition of best either. A reduced recoil 9.3x62 load in his opinion. As far as 375H&H vs 375 Ruger, even though the 375 Ruger technically has better performance, the 375 H&H is best to me because of factory ammo availability and quality of rifles chambered in it. I’m not sure how a shorter barrel than the 21” barrel I have on my 375 H&H would be a benefit to me? It already rides low on my shoulder when slung because of the barrel band.

Ep 97: Africa Hunting Bullets 101 With Kevin Robertson

Apple | Google | iHeart | Spotify | Stitcher

thebiggamehuntingblog.com

Ep 103: Africa Hunting Rifles 101 Kevin Robertson

Apple | iHeart | Spotify | YouTube

thebiggamehuntingblog.com

Thanks my man. Is this the same guy that wrote the perfect shot?

 

[colorado]

This would be a good podcast for you to listen to. Quite a few definitions of best. Velo Dog’s definition of best is a bit too outdated for me. I don’t agree with all Kevin Robertson’s definition of best either. A reduced recoil 9.3x62 load in his opinion. As far as 375H&H vs 375 Ruger, even though the 375 Ruger technically has better performance, the 375 H&H is best to me because of factory ammo availability and quality of rifles chambered in it. I’m not sure how a shorter barrel than the 21” barrel I have on my 375 H&H would be a benefit to me? It already rides low on my shoulder when slung because of the barrel band.

Ep 97: Africa Hunting Bullets 101 With Kevin Robertson

Apple | Google | iHeart | Spotify | Stitcher

thebiggamehuntingblog.com

Ep 103: Africa Hunting Rifles 101 Kevin Robertson

Apple | iHeart | Spotify | YouTube

thebiggamehuntingblog.com

If you want better performance than the the 375 H&H and the 375 Ruger and still want to be able to utilize 375 H&H factory ammo, the 375 Weatherby is your answer. You don't need a Weatherby rifle as any competent gunsmith can rechamber a 375 H&H to 375 Weatherby. To me, the 375 Ruger meets a uniquely Alaskan need. A powerful cartridge in a rugged CRF rifle at a very reasonable cost.

 

[colorado]

I should've added affordable and reliable for the 375 Ruger.

 

[Hunting Hitman]

375 H&H for the win! Had to change the photo on this topic as I almost vomit every time I scroll past that disgusting Rosie pic.

HH

 

[1dirthawker]

an interesting thread,

i actually paused for a bit to decide whether or not to jump in this pool. so, here goes:

-the 375 h&h is a proven cartridge, it is effective over a broad range of distance and big game
-the h&h also has a LOT more factory loads available
-a worn in h&h is smooth as glass
-the h&h is generally a heavier rifle (action length and barrel contour being factors)

-the 375 ruger by now is also a proven cartridge and although in theory shoots a touch faster, no animal shot with either will be able to tell the difference, so it is also a great cartridge.
-the ruger has much less available factory loads. the ones available are pretty good, but the h&h has way more factory loads available
-a worn in ruger is also as smooth as glass
-the ruger, is a bit lighter, in the short barrel pretty handy and as far a recoil goes, i doubt that anyone would notice the difference between the ruger and the h&h. both are pretty much ballistic equals.
-the ruger is generally a lower price point rifle that is basically a ready to go guide/backup rifle. express sights, mauser style action, integral scope rings/bases, STAINLESS! what is not to like?

I own a 375 ruger with the houge over molded stock, 20" stainless rifle. i would not trade it for a 375 h&h with fantastic wood. why? i live in alaska; when i hunt with it, it will likely get wet every day, when guiding it WILL get salt water on it...every day. mine shoots better than i can aim it, and goes off every time. is it better than the h&h....NOPE, just different.

to the OP, either caliber will serve you well. some folks like wood and blued rifles better, they are not wrong. however, in hostile environments, the stainless rifle is needing less maintenance, so an ugly synthetic/ss h&h would be every bit as good AND have more ammo available. still would not trade my ruger in tho. it is low maintenance in the toughest environment one can hunt in.

i think velo dog is right about the short action craze, but, the ruger DOES fill a niche for an affordable, reliable and effective big game rifle in actions that are already available and easier to get. i think the ruger is a GREAT addition to the assortment of big game rifles available. again, not better, also not less than, just different.

 

[375Fox]

Thanks my man. Is this the same guy that wrote the perfect shot?

Yes. I found those two podcasts extremely informative and well done.

 

[matt85]

Both cartridges are essentially the same... the only real difference between them will be commercial availability. The H&H will be easier to buy and easier to get components for. Both cartridges will do exactly the same thing on game.

The real difference will be in rifles. Every Ruger rifle I've handled has failed to impress me. I'm a sucker for a good trigger and all of the Ruger rifles I've handled had terrible triggers from the factory. Now if you get a custom rifle in 375 Ruger, then you are golden.

-Matt

 

[Daisy]

Yes. I found those two podcasts extremely informative and well done.

I’m gonna listen to them in my deer stand in the morning.

 

[Inline6]

I’m +1 with your opinion.
People who fall like dominos for advertising gimmicks (6.5 Creedmoor, .375 Ruger, short magnums, super short magnums, ultra magnums and many more), are entitled to their joy.
However it is frustrating for those of us who don’t waste our time and money trying to discover a better shape for the wheel than round.
With that, we’re having to put up with retail stores cluttering their shelves with a lot of egg shaped wheels, square shaped wheels, triangular wheels.
And all the while, more often than not these days, no tried and true round wheels (6.5x55, 7x57, etc.,) available.

I’m getting old and watching the firearms market trends is like watching someone out on a huge open space, sprinting in erratic patterns here and there, ignoring gold nuggets, rubies and emeralds, in favor of frantically snatching up bottle caps, penny coins and scraps of aluminum foil, while being very enthused about their finds.

Getting old is not for the faint of heart.

It all about cartridge efficiency, why not take advantage of it? We are all on some type of electronic device that was probably unthinkable just 30-40 years ago. Will be obsolete in the next few years if not this year.

Due to the innovative nature of Hornady, we have a lot of choices in ammo that might have fallen by the wayside had they not stepped up. So people like change less than others, I get that. Some don't want to be told how great the new cartridge is because their old cartridge works just fine.

The truth is, if companies do not innovative. The die off, what would the sell? We have to take the good with the bad.

PS I cannot comment on the 6.5X55, the 6.5CM I have taken out to a mile.

 

[Velo Dog]

Again, you continue to bypass what I’ve said. If you can get the same performance from shorter barrel then how is that not a win?
Also, newer cartridges like more velocity than the ones you mention above.

A car that goes faster than another one has better performance. It will tear up faster, be louder, go through brakes faster, etc. But no human alive would say the faster care doesn’t have better performance.

It’s not a big deal my man. Glad you love your cartridge!

Hello again Daisy,

I have been replying to your posts on this topic.
Definitely, my opinion is different than yours.
However, I cannot see how that is somehow “bypassing” what you’ve posted and I quote you:
“Again, you continue to bypass what I’ve said”.

I’m just guessing in the dark here but, maybe you said that I continue to “bypass” what you’ve said, because I quote the philosophy: “If it works, don’t fix it”, as a blanket reason to prefer the original H&H version, instead of agreeing with you ?

Far as I’m concerned, “If it works, don’t fix it”, fits perfectly as a response to yours plus, pretty much all other’s comments and questions, posted on this topic of the .375 Ruger vs .375 H&H.
If that is “bypassing” what you’ve posted in this thread, I apologize.
“Bypassing” yours or anyone else’s posts that I have replied to was not my intent.

Indeed, I do read posts on this plus many other topics here, within the worlds greatest forum that, I do not feel like responding to, for whatever reason.
And with that, I agree that I am definitely “bypassing” AKA: “Ignoring” the posts that do not really draw me in, (evidenced by my silence on whatever was posted).

However, yours and a couple of other members comments on this specific topic caught my attention and so, I responded to you and 1 or 2 others.
As such, it still seems to me that, “If it works, don’t fix it” pretty much answers any argument posted by you chaps who believe that higher velocity is somehow preferable to that which has worked extremely well for more than 100 years now.
Even so, you say that I “continue to bypass” what you’ve said.
Therefore, maybe I should be responding to each of your sentences individually ?

Ok, here goes:

Your sentence:
1.
If you can get the same performance from a shorter barrel then, how is that not a win ?

My Response:
It is not a win, indeed it is a loss.
Here’s why:
Regarding any large powder capacity cartridges, the shorter the barrel, the more piercing the muzzle blast and the more likely the rifle is to recoil upward (“muzzle jump”) than I care for.

On that note, a person can have installed a heavier than standard contour short barrel, thereby reducing the chances of excess muzzle jump.
Or, they can have a brake installed and / or holes and slots cut through the barrel (“porting”).
I don’t recall you mentioning muzzle brakes or porting the barrel.
But I added same, for other readers who like those sorts of things (I strongly dislike muzzle brakes and porting).
Anyway and however ……..

Shorter barrels, muzzle brakes and porting all still leave the shooter with a little more felt muzzle blast, especially troublesome when there isn’t time to put in the ear plugs.
Furthermore, we do suffer permanent hearing damage from loud noise, right through hearing protection, albeit in tiny increments.
Nonetheless, shorter barrels, especially shorter barrels firing cartridges that burn a lot of powder, (the .375’s come to mind)grief to this progressive hearing loss.

So for myself, most rifles in .375 caliber are made with a proper length, contour and weight barrel in the first place.
I have never liked short carbine length barrels for rifles chambered in large powder volume cartridges.

Your sentence:
2.
“Also, newer cartridges like more velocity than the ones you mention above”.
Uhhh, and so …….. ?
Again, I’m just guessing here but earlier I had mentioned the 6.5x55 and the 7x57 cartridges, regarding them being lately hard to find if not impossible to find in stores.
Higher velocity has no context in this matter whatsoever, at least not if you hand load and / or shoot one or two brands of European factory loaded ammunition.

Apparently, the 6.5x55 is gone from retail shelves, due to the latest fad 6.5 cartridge replacing it (6.5 Creedmoor).
However, the Creedmoor does absolutely nothing that the Scandinavian round has not already been doing for over 100 years.
Likewise, the 6.5x55 is almost always built on long enough actions to accommodate 160 gr bullets in the magazine.
I’m not sure the Creedmoor rifles always have long enough magazines for 160 grain bullets.
And the 7x57 has been doing everything that the newer and trendy 7mm-08 is advertised as doing.
Again however, I know from experience that some rifles made for the newer round definitely do not have long enough magazines to accept 175 gr bullets.
Yet, 7x57 live ammunition is gone from retail shelves lately,
In favor of the 7mm-08.

Both the 6.5 Creedmoor and the 7mm-08 are no better than and in at least one way, actually inferior to the 100 plus years old 6.5x55 and 7x57 Mauser cartridges.

Your sentence:
3.
“A car that goes faster than another one has better performance. It will tear up (whatever that is) faster, be louder, go through brakes faster, etc. But no human alive would say the faster (car) doesn’t have better performance.”

My response:
I am a human alive who would not say that at all.
Your own description of the faster car is to me pretty much, polar opposite of “better performance.”
Even if the faster car was not louder and not wearing out brakes faster than other vehicles do, I already have a full size pickup truck with a V-8 motor that will supposedly reach about 120 mph.
Yet, the maximum speed limit here where I live is 65 mph.
And so, why in the world would I want a car that goes even faster than 120 mph ? (especially if it was loud and wore its brakes out sooner than my truck).
“Better performance?” … hmmmmm, not from my point of view.

Incidentally, my opinion on this .375 topic is primarily the result of 40+ years experience with the original H&H version, here in Alaska where I live and several hunting trips to Africa wherein, either I used a .375 H&H or my hunting partner/s used one.

Well anyway, in an attempt to figure out if you lived near Dallas, (in hopes you’d be at the AH Dinner), I tried to scan your forum profile and found it awfully blank.
It’s not any if my business why so, I am not asking about that.
However, I am hoping you will be at the dinner, so that I can buy you a drink and we can further discuss rifles and cartridges.

Best Regards,
Velo Dog
(Paul Ard)

 

[Daisy]

Hello again Daisy,

I have been replying to your posts on this topic.
Definitely, my opinion is different than yours.
However, I cannot see how that is somehow “bypassing” what you’ve posted and I quote you:
“Again, you continue to bypass what I’ve said”.

I’m just guessing in the dark here but, maybe you said that I continue to “bypass” what you’ve said, because I quote the philosophy: “If it works, don’t fix it”, as a blanket reason to prefer the original H&H version, instead of agreeing with you ?

Far as I’m concerned, “If it works, don’t fix it”, fits perfectly as a response to yours plus, pretty much all other’s comments and questions, posted on this topic of the .375 Ruger vs .375 H&H.
If that is “bypassing” what you’ve posted in this thread, I apologize.
“Bypassing” yours or anyone else’s posts that I have replied to was not my intent.

Indeed, I do read posts on this plus many other topics here, within the worlds greatest forum that, I do not feel like responding to, for whatever reason.
And with that, I agree that I am definitely “bypassing” AKA: “Ignoring” the posts that do not really draw me in, (evidenced by my silence on whatever was posted).

However, yours and a couple of other members comments on this specific topic caught my attention and so, I responded to you and 1 or 2 others.
As such, it still seems to me that, “If it works, don’t fix it” pretty much answers any argument posted by you chaps who believe that higher velocity is somehow preferable to that which has worked extremely well for more than 100 years now.
Even so, you say that I “continue to bypass” what you’ve said.
Therefore, maybe I should be responding to each of your sentences individually ?

Ok, here goes:

Your sentence:
1.
If you can get the same performance from a shorter barrel then, how is that not a win ?

My Response:
It is not a win, indeed it is a loss.
Here’s why:
Regarding any large powder capacity cartridges, the shorter the barrel, the more piercing the muzzle blast and the more likely the rifle is to recoil upward (“muzzle jump”) than I care for.

On that note, a person can have installed a heavier than standard contour short barrel, thereby reducing the chances of excess muzzle jump.
Or, they can have a brake installed and / or holes and slots cut through the barrel (“porting”).
I don’t recall you mentioning muzzle brakes or porting the barrel.
But I added same, for other readers who like those sorts of things (I strongly dislike muzzle brakes and porting).
Anyway and however ……..

Shorter barrels, muzzle brakes and porting all still leave the shooter with a little more felt muzzle blast, especially troublesome when there isn’t time to put in the ear plugs.
Furthermore, we do suffer permanent hearing damage from loud noise, right through hearing protection, albeit in tiny increments.
Nonetheless, shorter barrels, especially shorter barrels firing cartridges that burn a lot of powder, (the .375’s come to mind)grief to this progressive hearing loss.

So for myself, most rifles in .375 caliber are made with a proper length, contour and weight barrel in the first place.
For the above reasons, I have never liked short carbine length barrels for rifles chambered in large powder volume cartridges.

2.
“Also, newer cartridges like more velocity than the ones you mention above”.
Uhhh, and so …….. ?
Again, I’m just guessing here but earlier I had mentioned the 6.5x55
3.
“A car that goes faster than another one has better performance. It will tear up (whatever that is) faster, be louder, go through brakes faster, etc. But no human alive would say the faster (car) doesn’t have better performance.”

My response:
I am a human alive who would not say that at all.
Your own description of the faster car is to me pretty much, polar opposite of “better performance.”
Even if the faster car was not louder and not wearing out brakes faster than other vehicles do, I already have a full size pickup truck with a V-8 motor that will supposedly reach about 120 mph.
Yet, the maximum speed limit here where I live is 65 mph.
And so, why in the world would I want a car that goes even faster than 120 mph ? (especially if it was loud and wore its brakes out sooner than my truck).
“Better performance?” … hmmmmm, not from my point of view.


Me too.

Thanks for the response.

You clearly love 375handh and will use any argument to endorse it, regardless if it fits criteria.

The fact that you make every single argument for it, and none against, shows you are not interested in a meaningful debate on the pros and cons of two cartridges, but a lecture on why you like 375handh.

A couple of points.

1. I love it it’s not broke don’t fix it. That’s a wonderful analogy, but a bit of a bait and switch here. If he already had a 375handh, I think going out and buying a 375ruger would be silly. He doesn’t, so he has the choice of either cartridge and the virtues and faults of each should be clearly explained.

2. I love the truck analogy. I love my 2016 truck. It’s not broke. I won’t fix it. However, when it comes time to get a new truck I won’t go in and say “give me a 2016 please.” I’ll get the 2026 model with all the bells and whistles and the electronics that I’ll last me a longer time. It’s not a big change over the old, but incremental adds up over time.

3. Back to the truck. Why do you have a v8 if you only go 65? They make v6 in exact same trucks. It ain’t broke, why did you fix it? Maybe you want the extra power If you need to pass a truck. Maybe you’ll buy a boat to haul. So you might need the v8 1% of the time, but you chose to get the 375ruger just in case.

I do appreciate the reply. I love the loyalty to the cartridge. I have many things i am loyal to for no good reason but “I like it.” I just hope to have the ability to admit that is the reason, and point out the faults as the arise.

 

[Daisy]

Hello again Daisy,

I have been replying to your posts on this topic.
Definitely, my opinion is different than yours.
However, I cannot see how that is somehow “bypassing” what you’ve posted and I quote you:
“Again, you continue to bypass what I’ve said”.

I’m just guessing in the dark here but, maybe you said that I continue to “bypass” what you’ve said, because I quote the philosophy: “If it works, don’t fix it”, as a blanket reason to prefer the original H&H version, instead of agreeing with you ?

Far as I’m concerned, “If it works, don’t fix it”, fits perfectly as a response to yours plus, pretty much all other’s comments and questions, posted on this topic of the .375 Ruger vs .375 H&H.
If that is “bypassing” what you’ve posted in this thread, I apologize.
“Bypassing” yours or anyone else’s posts that I have replied to was not my intent.

Indeed, I do read posts on this plus many other topics here, within the worlds greatest forum that, I do not feel like responding to, for whatever reason.
And with that, I agree that I am definitely “bypassing” AKA: “Ignoring” the posts that do not really draw me in, (evidenced by my silence on whatever was posted).

However, yours and a couple of other members comments on this specific topic caught my attention and so, I responded to you and 1 or 2 others.
As such, it still seems to me that, “If it works, don’t fix it” pretty much answers any argument posted by you chaps who believe that higher velocity is somehow preferable to that which has worked extremely well for more than 100 years now.
Even so, you say that I “continue to bypass” what you’ve said.
Therefore, maybe I should be responding to each of your sentences individually ?

Ok, here goes:

Your sentence:
1.
If you can get the same performance from a shorter barrel then, how is that not a win ?

My Response:
It is not a win, indeed it is a loss.
Here’s why:
Regarding any large powder capacity cartridges, the shorter the barrel, the more piercing the muzzle blast and the more likely the rifle is to recoil upward (“muzzle jump”) than I care for.

On that note, a person can have installed a heavier than standard contour short barrel, thereby reducing the chances of excess muzzle jump.
Or, they can have a brake installed and / or holes and slots cut through the barrel (“porting”).
I don’t recall you mentioning muzzle brakes or porting the barrel.
But I added same, for other readers who like those sorts of things (I strongly dislike muzzle brakes and porting).
Anyway and however ……..

Shorter barrels, muzzle brakes and porting all still leave the shooter with a little more felt muzzle blast, especially troublesome when there isn’t time to put in the ear plugs.
Furthermore, we do suffer permanent hearing damage from loud noise, right through hearing protection, albeit in tiny increments.
Nonetheless, shorter barrels, especially shorter barrels firing cartridges that burn a lot of powder, (the .375’s come to mind)grief to this progressive hearing loss.

So for myself, most rifles in .375 caliber are made with a proper length, contour and weight barrel in the first place.
I have never liked short carbine length barrels for rifles chambered in large powder volume cartridges.

Your sentence:
2.
“Also, newer cartridges like more velocity than the ones you mention above”.
Uhhh, and so …….. ?
Again, I’m just guessing here but earlier I had mentioned the 6.5x55 and the 7x57 cartridges, regarding them being lately hard to find if not impossible to find in stores.
Higher velocity has no context in this matter whatsoever, at least not if you hand load and / or shoot one or two brands of European factory loaded ammunition.

Apparently, the 6.5x55 is gone from retail shelves, due to the latest fad 6.5 cartridge replacing it (6.5 Creedmoor).
However, the Creedmoor does absolutely nothing that the Scandinavian round has not already been doing for over 100 years.
Likewise, the 6.5x55 is almost always built on long enough actions to accommodate 160 gr bullets in the magazine.
I’m not sure the Creedmoor rifles always have long enough magazines for 160 grain bullets.
And the 7x57 has been doing everything that the newer and trendy 7mm-08 is advertised as doing.
Again however, I know from experience that some rifles made for the newer round definitely do not have long enough magazines to accept 175 gr bullets.
Yet, 7x57 live ammunition is gone from retail shelves lately,
In favor of the 7mm-08.

Both the 6.5 Creedmoor and the 7mm-08 are no better than and in at least one way, actually inferior to the 100 plus years old 6.5x55 and 7x57 Mauser cartridges.

Your sentence:
3.
“A car that goes faster than another one has better performance. It will tear up (whatever that is) faster, be louder, go through brakes faster, etc. But no human alive would say the faster (car) doesn’t have better performance.”

My response:
I am a human alive who would not say that at all.
Your own description of the faster car is to me pretty much, polar opposite of “better performance.”
Even if the faster car was not louder and not wearing out brakes faster than other vehicles do, I already have a full size pickup truck with a V-8 motor that will supposedly reach about 120 mph.
Yet, the maximum speed limit here where I live is 65 mph.
And so, why in the world would I want a car that goes even faster than 120 mph ? (especially if it was loud and wore its brakes out sooner than my truck).
“Better performance?” … hmmmmm, not from my point of view.

Incidentally, my opinion on this .375 topic is primarily the result of 40+ years experience with the original H&H version, here in Alaska where I live and several hunting trips to Africa wherein, either I used a .375 H&H or my hunting partner/s used one.

Well anyway, in an attempt to figure out if you lived near Dallas, (in hopes you’d be at the AH Dinner), I tried to scan your forum profile and found it awfully blank.
It’s not any if my business why so, I am not asking about that.
However, I am hoping you will be at the dinner, so that I can buy you a drink and we can further discuss rifles and cartridges.

Best Regards,
Velo Dog
(Paul Ard)

and I live in Birmingham, Alabama. I would love that drink, and will be at the next convention in Atlanta or Nashville. I still don’t really know the difference between sci and dsc.

Absolutely no reason for me to be disagreeable just because I disagree with you on this. I appreciate your thoughts and experience on it.

 

[Velo Dog]

It all about cartridge efficiency, why not take advantage of it? We are all on some type of electronic device that was probably unthinkable just 30-40 years ago. Will be obsolete in the next few years if not this year.

Due to the innovative nature of Hornady, we have a lot of choices in ammo that might have fallen by the wayside had they not stepped up. So people like change less than others, I get that. Some don't want to be told how great the new cartridge is because their old cartridge works just fine.

The truth is, if companies do not innovative. The die off, what would the sell? We have to take the good with the bad.

PS I cannot comment on the 6.5X55, the 6.5CM I have taken out to a mile.

Thanks for the response.

You clearly love 375handh and will use any argument to endorse it, regardless if it fits criteria.

The fact that you make every single argument for it, and none against, shows you are not interested in a meaningful debate on the pros and cons of two cartridges, but a lecture on why you like 375handh.

A couple of points.

1. I love it it’s not broke don’t fix it. That’s a wonderful analogy, but a bit of a bait and switch here. If he already had a 375handh, I think going out and buying a 375ruger would be silly. He doesn’t, so he has the choice of either cartridge and the virtues and faults of each should be clearly explained.

2. I love the truck analogy. I love my 2016 truck. It’s not broke. I won’t fix it. However, when it comes time to get a new truck I won’t go in and say “give me a 2016 please.” I’ll get the 2026 model with all the bells and whistles and the electronics that I’ll last me a longer time. It’s not a big change over the old, but incremental adds up over time.

3. Back to the truck. Why do you have a v8 if you only go 65? They make v6 in exact same trucks. It ain’t broke, why did you fix it? Maybe you want the extra power If you need to pass a truck. Maybe you’ll buy a boat to haul. So you might need the v8 1% of the time, but you chose to get the 375ruger just in case.

I do appreciate the reply. I love the loyalty to the cartridge. I have many things i am loyal to for no good reason but “I like it.” I just hope to have the ability to admit that is the reason, and point out the faults as the arise.

My wife bought the truck for me as a gift .
I care enough about her feelings to not gripe about this thing’s lousy gas mileage.

 

[Velo Dog]

and I live in Birmingham, Alabama. I would love that drink, and will be at the next convention in Atlanta or Nashville. I still don’t really know the difference between sci and dsc.

Absolutely no reason for me to be disagreeable just because I disagree with you on this. I appreciate your thoughts and experience on it.

Excellent, if one day we are in proximity, I will buy us that drink and we both are hunters so, we can be friends by agreeing to disagree on the older yeoman cartridges vs the similar but newer cartridges.
Cheers until then.