257 Weatherby on cape buffalo?

[TERMINATOR]

Weatherby rifles were also the first rifles offered by some banks as a return of your deposit. If I remember right you got your rifle, scope, and soft case upon deposit of $XXXXX amount of dollars and needed to leave it there for 5 or so years.

Strange as it may seem it was the Bank of Boulder Colorado that did this in the peoples republic of Boulder, my how times have changed.

Yes. Western Banks partnered with Weatherby on this program. Bank of Boulder for sure and I think a couple others. It was a win-win-win as Roy moved more Weatherby Rifles, the bank(s) that offered it got a bunch of CD investment from the hunters and hunters found it a great way to "earn" a rifle they might not be able to afford otherwise.

They offered CDs where you gave the $X for Y months and in place of interest at the end of the term you got your money back plus a Weatherby Rifle!

More incredible and innovative marketing by Roy convincing some banks to offer this. Many people got their Weatherby for “free” like this. Roy was always coming up with ways that had never been done to sell his rifles

But yea, Good Luck making this fly today…especially in the PRoC

 

[JimP]

I will say one thing on killing a buff with a .25 caliber slug.

With my Weatherby Vanguard 25-06 at the typical ranges that a buff is shot at I can pick which fly you want me to hit while it is sitting on the buff. So it is indeed possible to hit one in the correct place to drop him right where he is standing.

Not a wise practice but entirely capable

 

[Rocco490]

Agree 100%

That said, you do realize this was 50 years ago right?

You can't even do it now and no PH on earth would take you to hunt Cape Buffalo with a sub-legal caliber, especially a .25 caliber.

You would be hard pressed to get a PH to take you using a .338 Mag or the even more powerful .340 Wby, or a hot .35 caliber even though I have little doubt they could easily kill a Cape Buffalo.

But they are not the guns to stop a charge...but then neither is a .375 really.

I get why they have the caliber restrictions and I fully support it. I used a .375 but Maruis my PH had a .500 NE and his assistant had a .416 Rem Mag when we tracked my buff. I felt a lot better knowing that I had those guys on either side of me. Happily my Buff was stone dead when we got to him from my shot at 85 yards with the .375

Pretty sure this was done so long ago that many on the page weren’t even born yet. Or thought of for that matter…… I think we can stop stomping our feet and shaking our fists in the air over it…….

I stated what I have stated not because of what happened many years ago but to try to better inform anyone gullible or curious from making a very poor choice for their hunting today and in the future. The title was poorly stated and there are people who do today use these stupid past examples to justify other stupid cartridge choices. People need to be responsible and select the right tool for the job before they screw things up for the rest of us. They also need to make sure whatever shot they decide to take that they can reliably place it. (more so than ever with the ultra long range trend)

 

[TERMINATOR]

I stated what I have stated not because of what happened many years ago but to try to better inform anyone gullible or curious from making a very poor choice for their hunting today and in the future. The title was poorly stated and there are people who do today use these stupid past examples to justify other stupid cartridge choices. People need to be responsible and select the right tool for the job before they screw things up for the rest of us. They also need to make sure whatever shot they decide to take that they can reliably place it.

100% Right

Luckily the most African countries have put common sense minimum cartridge restrictions in place now...because of stuff like this. And Jack O'Conner shooting Lions and Leopords with his Win Model 70 .270. I idolize Jack and Roy but they both pushed things to extremes to make their points about their guns of choice.

There are plenty of over ways to get hurt by ignoring common sense in hunting ... but thankfully shooting dangerous game with small calibers is no longer one of them.

 

[Rubberhead]

It's a very realistic possibility that you'll buy a buffalo that someone else gets to kill. As long as you come to terms with the probability and cost of that scenario then go for it.

 

[TERMINATOR]

It's a very realistic possibility that you'll buy a buffalo that someone else gets to kill. As long as you come to terms with the probability and cost of that scenario then go for it.

Tell me where you can legally hunt a Cape Buffalo with a .257 Wby
And if there is a place, good luck finding a PH to do it with. This isn't 1960 anymore.

That said, no matter what caliber you are using up to and including a 700 Nitrol Express, you need to have that discussion with your PH before booking the hunt. I just watched a safari on TV where the client was rocking a .416 Rem Mag and the PH shot 1/4 second after the client did. No way for him to even process if the client made a good shot or not. That was just his policy...client first, then I shoot...EVERY TIME. And many PH's have that policy.

I get why he does that. They were hunting in thick cover and it woudl be rare for him to get a shot in if he waited long enough to assess the client's shot. But if that is your PH's policy, then you better come to terms with that if you are going to book with them. So it should be discussed.

 

[WAB]

Tell me where you can legally hunt a Cape Buffalo with a .257 Wby
And if there is a place, good luck finding a PH to do it with. This isn't 1960 anymore

Mozambique?

 

[TERMINATOR]

Mozambique?

OK then....do you think many PH's will go along with it?

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

Weatherby Rifles Mark 5 actions are legendary!
I had a old German 300 WBY for years wore the throat out ! Great Gun ! Roy had a lot going for him mainly his location of rich CA and the Hollywood Crowd like John Wayne as supporters etc.

@Alaska
One of the silliest stunts that Weatherby did with his markv actions was to push a 30 cal projectile into the barrel far enough to allow a loaded 300 Weatherby to be loaded behind it. The rifle was then fired. After firing the rifle had shown nil effects and was still able to be used. That's strong.
Bob

 

[375Fox]

OK then....do you think many PH's will go along with it?

If it’s legal I’m sure if you searched long enough you could find someone. I think the video of the buffalo with air gun/air gun dart proves that. I like how everyone is up in arms about the idea of 257 weatherby on a buffalo (which isn’t going to happen now anyway), but archery hunting buffalo is somehow much better.

 

[Rubberhead]

OK then....do you think many PH's will go along with it?

I know nothing about being DG PH but I'd rather have a buffalo client shooting a 257 Weatherby Magnum than a bow. So, if a PH will take a bow hunter out for buffalo, why would he feel any less certain taking out a client carrying a .257 Weatherby?

 

[Tom Leoni]

"It could be done" is different than "it can be relied upon to do it." "It" being a humane kill.

I'll stick to my .375 or greater. Full disclosure--never been in love with Weatherby cartridges, but to each his own. Definitely a key piece of Americana and a success story in its own right.

 

[WAB]

OK then....do you think many PH's will go along with it?

Well I sure wouldn’t!

 

[John Wasmuth]

Pretty sure a conversation about using micro cartridges on big bad game is of historic value but there isn’t a PH in any African country that would allow such goings on anywhere….. talking about it like it’s a common practice in todays world is a moot point cuz it ain’t gonna happen. The world has evolved since RW pulled his stunts.

 

[TERMINATOR]

Well I sure wouldn’t!

Me either.

But as somebody pointed out, I am sure if you looked long enough you will find somebody to take your money.

 

[TERMINATOR]

Pretty sure a conversation about using micro cartridges on big bad game is of historic value but there isn’t a PH in any African country that would allow such goings on anywhere….. talking about it like it’s a common practice in todays world is a moot point cuz it ain’t gonna happen. The world has evolved since RW pulled his stunts.

Exactly. It is OK to marvel at what some people did way back when without advocating for it to be done now.

Pretty sure that the original post was about "Can you believe this shit?" not "Hey guys, let's all go shoot Cape Buffalo with a .257 Weatherby. Roy Weatherby did so we should give it a go"

 

[Alaska]

How about my Daisy Red Ryder sure did a lot of birds in growing up in my back yard . Load that sucker up and shoot all week ! Sorry kinda got off subject ! Now I shoot moose in the rear when they get into my lawn . Moose with a BB gun ….has a good ring to it !

 

[TERMINATOR]

How about my Daisy Red Ryder sure did a lot of birds in growing up in my back yard . Load that sucker up and shoot all week !

Did you have somebody backing you up with a .177 Nitro Express Pellet gun???

 

[JimP]

I know nothing about being DG PH but I'd rather have a buffalo client shooting a 257 Weatherby Magnum than a bow. So, if a PH will take a bow hunter out for buffalo, why would he feel any less certain taking out a client carrying a .257 Weatherby?

Have you ever bow hunted?

 

[baxterb]

Bob Ruark killed Buffalo with a 244 H&H.

Well, to quote Selby, “he potted at them.” Harry was not impressed with Bob’s shenanigans in Mozambique.