Wild Lion Hunt

[Rockwall205]

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Guy is a really cool fellow. However he is European

Europeans seem to migrate towards those God awful huge objectives. Probably because of perceived advantages during night shooting, low light shooting, and driven shooting.

But to me nothing offsets the extra high mounting those big objectives require and the ensuing problems properly melding your face to the rifle.

Lol you have a great point ! First round of shooting went well I bought had about 6 different types of 300 grain factory combinations. Shot groups of three from the bench , no issues. It helps due to the chunky weight of the gun . I’m sure when we get in the field I’m going to be my sweet wife’s gun bearer .

Guy with his smooth British accent could probably charm me into buying pretty much anything he has to offer in his show room ! I’m like a little kid at the toy store every time I go in there.

 

[Rockwall205]

Just for an update, I’ve connected @Rockwall205 with a well known Zambian PH who’s very familiar with that area and successfully hunted it in the past. He’s advised him of the challenges, best times to hunt, questions to ask the outfitter, etc so he can make a more informed decision

He absolutely has ! I’m much more confident in the hunt now then I was but keeping expectations in check. I’ve been to Africa 10 times and have never came back not having enjoyed my time there.
Not always completely successful but taking away lifetime memories with friends and family.

Men like @Mtn_Infantry: are what make the AH community such a valuable resource as well as being able to connect with like minded individuals.

 

[Philip Glass]

I should add I find it interesting you only called out my response but not your clients posting what you say are incorrect rates as “Fact!” that led to this discussion. I’ve also made no attempt to provide details of your previous contract issues in Omay. I don’t have the details of what occurred or really care. Those attempted details have been provided by your clients. I only know it was a problem and a number of hunters who didn’t ask how long you held rights to the concession under the current contract were caught in the uncertainty. This thread was the first time I’ve ever mentioned it, but I can start bringing it up frequently if you accuse me of it? I don’t appreciate the accusations when all posts are public. I should say also I made an incorrect word choice earlier when I said “stable” I should have said “longer established.”

Prices change. I was just mentioning what it has been in years past. Not $2900!
There seem to be a lot of lion experts on here.

 

[Philip Glass]

I could be wrong but I seem to remember @FARO EAST NORTH CAMEROON had very good pricing on lion hunts? Due to the fact that genetically they don’t have much of a mane, but you still get the experience

I saw one on my LDE hunt up close and personal. Good mane. We heard roaring all the time. Tracking hunt. Not exportable to the US sadly.

 

[Philip Glass]

Also new to the forum so not sure what should and shouldn’t be shared will err on the side of discretion more forward. Again thanks for your message.

I wouldn't worry too much.

 

[Mark A Ouellette]

Trophy fee in the omay is $25000
And Nyakasanga is $35000

Our standard cost for a lion hunt in the omay is $1250/day and nyakasanga is $1950/day.

Okay folks, I know about as much about hunting lions in Zambia as most of you… I do know a little more about Zambian and other sub-Saharan African politics than many others thanks to dealing with issues my Zambian-born US Citizen wife's family has from time to time...

We in western countries enjoy the Rule of Law just as we take for granted safe water in our homes. Neither of those are common in Zambia, Zimbabwe, or even South Africa. Think about your time in Africa where the something didn't seem right and the PH had to work a little subtle magic to straighten it out. Have you ever been stopped at a police check point in the road in Zambia where only a few dollars would save you a couple hours of Keystone Cop equivalent shakedown? My charming chocolate (her word) wife can out talk the police but not with me, a "white man" in the car. And don't even get me going on spending a week trying to straighten out a family member's paperwork with the Zambian so called government. The correct person to bribe seems to change week to week.

Now apply the examples of government corruption to our profession hunter outfitters bidding on 5-year contracts with government departments for hunting rights? What could go wrong? Could two or three outfitters all think they won the concession only to find out that what was in the bag really wasn't in the bag? The rule of law isn’t always the rule. Thus one protests or sues the other and we in first world countries start to point fingers at who we read is at fault…

Even in the USA when companies bid on US Government contracts and a company wins, their competitors file protests. This delays the contract kickoff (start) and provides news outlets much ado about nothing to weave into a big nothing burger.

I've learned from experience how fast African hunts can go sideways for a number of reasons, most of which originate from the PH/outfitter. Oh, I read about the hunting area dispute and so on but as my USMC Drill Instructor taught me, “Gather your intelligence locally”. Before booking with Dalton and York, I had an intense eyeball to eyeball conversation with Dalton. That was followed up by WhatsApp phone conversations and gathering my intelligence locally, i.e. from my friends and friendly AH associates who hunted with them.

I learned much about Dalton, York, and how they conduct business from the experiences of two close friends who between them hunted bull elephant, tuskless elephant, leopard, buffalo, and plains games. Add to that repeated annual hunts by other AH guys like @Philip Glass who at no financial benefit to him, coordinates and escorts four other hunters every year. That's year after year with Dalton and York.

Late last year I booked a tuskless hunt with Dalton and York. A couple months later at DSC 2025, Dalton and I had another eyeball to eyeball conversion about what I expected. Up to then, Dalton had not yet determined out who would guide me. But after maybe 3 minutes Dalton evaluated me as a man and a client and assigned to me a skilled PH with whom I’d have a memorable hunt. Johnny would be my PH. That's the PH that tracked the buffalo for about 7 days for Philip Glass and son. Bringing my trusty new mirrorless Nikon along for post-trophy, sub-50 yard photography and videoing of hopefully bull elephants will be right up Johnny’s alley since he started as a photo safari guide.

The bottom line is I nor many others know what transpired in the hunting concession dispute, other than sub-Saharan politics were probably part of it. I do know that Dalton and York will treat me fairly, as I will them. Respect is a two-way trail…

PS: I may not be the richest, biggest spending client but I will strive to be one of the best clients whom PH's have ever hunted with.

 

[Rare Breed]

Okay folks, I know about as much about hunting lions in Zambia as most of you… I do know a little more about Zambian and other sub-Saharan African politics than many others thanks to dealing with issues my Zambian-born US Citizen wife's family has from time to time...

We in western countries enjoy the Rule of Law just as we take for granted safe water in our homes. Neither of those are common in Zambia, Zimbabwe, or even South Africa. Think about your time in Africa where the something didn't seem right and the PH had to work a little subtle magic to straighten it out. Have you ever been stopped at a police check point in the road in Zambia where only a few dollars would save you a couple hours of Keystone Cop equivalent shakedown? My charming chocolate (her word) wife can out talk the police but not with me, a "white man" in the car. And don't even get me going on spending a week trying to straighten out a family member's paperwork with the Zambian so called government. The correct person to bribe seems to change week to week.

Now apply the examples of government corruption to our profession hunter outfitters bidding on 5-year contracts with government departments for hunting rights? What could go wrong? Could two or three outfitters all think they won the concession only to find out that what was in the bag really wasn't in the bag? The rule of law isn’t always the rule. Thus one protests or sues the other and we in first world countries start to point fingers at who we read is at fault…

Even in the USA when companies bid on US Government contracts and a company wins, their competitors file protests. This delays the contract kickoff (start) and provides news outlets much ado about nothing to weave into a big nothing burger.

I've learned from experience how fast African hunts can go sideways for a number of reasons, most of which originate from the PH/outfitter. Oh, I read about the hunting area dispute and so on but as my USMC Drill Instructor taught me, “Gather your intelligence locally”. Before booking with Dalton and York, I had an intense eyeball to eyeball conversation with Dalton. That was followed up by WhatsApp phone conversations and gathering my intelligence locally, i.e. from my friends and friendly AH associates who hunted with them.

I learned much about Dalton, York, and how they conduct business from the experiences of two close friends who between them hunted bull elephant, tuskless elephant, leopard, buffalo, and plains games. Add to that repeated annual hunts by other AH guys like @Philip Glass who at no financial benefit to him, coordinates and escorts four other hunters every year. That's year after year with Dalton and York.

Late last year I booked a tuskless hunt with Dalton and York. A couple months later at DSC 2025, Dalton and I had another eyeball to eyeball conversion about what I expected. Up to then, Dalton had not yet determined out who would guide me. But after maybe 3 minutes Dalton evaluated me as a man and a client and assigned to me a skilled PH with whom I’d have a memorable hunt. Johnny would be my PH. That's the PH that tracked the buffalo for about 7 days for Philip Glass and son. Bringing my trusty new mirrorless Nikon along for post-trophy, sub-50 yard photography and videoing of hopefully bull elephants will be right up Johnny’s alley since he started as a photo safari guide.

The bottom line is I nor many others know what transpired in the hunting concession dispute, other than sub-Saharan politics were probably part of it. I do know that Dalton and York will treat me fairly, as I will them. Respect is a two-way trail…

PS: I may not be the richest, biggest spending client but I will strive to be one of the best clients whom PH's have ever hunted with.

As always Mark another well thought out great post. You and your wonderful wife are a great couple!

 

[ActionBob]

Okay folks, I know about as much about hunting lions in Zambia as most of you… I do know a little more about Zambian and other sub-Saharan African politics than many others thanks to dealing with issues my Zambian-born US Citizen wife's family has from time to time...

We in western countries enjoy the Rule of Law just as we take for granted safe water in our homes. Neither of those are common in Zambia, Zimbabwe, or even South Africa. Think about your time in Africa where the something didn't seem right and the PH had to work a little subtle magic to straighten it out. Have you ever been stopped at a police check point in the road in Zambia where only a few dollars would save you a couple hours of Keystone Cop equivalent shakedown? My charming chocolate (her word) wife can out talk the police but not with me, a "white man" in the car. And don't even get me going on spending a week trying to straighten out a family member's paperwork with the Zambian so called government. The correct person to bribe seems to change week to week.

Now apply the examples of government corruption to our profession hunter outfitters bidding on 5-year contracts with government departments for hunting rights? What could go wrong? Could two or three outfitters all think they won the concession only to find out that what was in the bag really wasn't in the bag? The rule of law isn’t always the rule. Thus one protests or sues the other and we in first world countries start to point fingers at who we read is at fault…

Even in the USA when companies bid on US Government contracts and a company wins, their competitors file protests. This delays the contract kickoff (start) and provides news outlets much ado about nothing to weave into a big nothing burger.

I've learned from experience how fast African hunts can go sideways for a number of reasons, most of which originate from the PH/outfitter. Oh, I read about the hunting area dispute and so on but as my USMC Drill Instructor taught me, “Gather your intelligence locally”. Before booking with Dalton and York, I had an intense eyeball to eyeball conversation with Dalton. That was followed up by WhatsApp phone conversations and gathering my intelligence locally, i.e. from my friends and friendly AH associates who hunted with them.

I learned much about Dalton, York, and how they conduct business from the experiences of two close friends who between them hunted bull elephant, tuskless elephant, leopard, buffalo, and plains games. Add to that repeated annual hunts by other AH guys like @Philip Glass who at no financial benefit to him, coordinates and escorts four other hunters every year. That's year after year with Dalton and York.

Late last year I booked a tuskless hunt with Dalton and York. A couple months later at DSC 2025, Dalton and I had another eyeball to eyeball conversion about what I expected. Up to then, Dalton had not yet determined out who would guide me. But after maybe 3 minutes Dalton evaluated me as a man and a client and assigned to me a skilled PH with whom I’d have a memorable hunt. Johnny would be my PH. That's the PH that tracked the buffalo for about 7 days for Philip Glass and son. Bringing my trusty new mirrorless Nikon along for post-trophy, sub-50 yard photography and videoing of hopefully bull elephants will be right up Johnny’s alley since he started as a photo safari guide.

The bottom line is I nor many others know what transpired in the hunting concession dispute, other than sub-Saharan politics were probably part of it. I do know that Dalton and York will treat me fairly, as I will them. Respect is a two-way trail…

PS: I may not be the richest, biggest spending client but I will strive to be one of the best clients whom PH's have ever hunted with.

Thanks for clearly stating what many of us know but sometimes don't fully "get"

Always enjoy your posts and you and many others experiences' definitely have me wanting to hunt with D&Y.

 

[Rare Breed]

Bob they truly are a great outfitter!

 

[375Fox]

Okay folks, I know about as much about hunting lions in Zambia as most of you… I do know a little more about Zambian and other sub-Saharan African politics than many others thanks to dealing with issues my Zambian-born US Citizen wife's family has from time to time...

We in western countries enjoy the Rule of Law just as we take for granted safe water in our homes. Neither of those are common in Zambia, Zimbabwe, or even South Africa. Think about your time in Africa where the something didn't seem right and the PH had to work a little subtle magic to straighten it out. Have you ever been stopped at a police check point in the road in Zambia where only a few dollars would save you a couple hours of Keystone Cop equivalent shakedown? My charming chocolate (her word) wife can out talk the police but not with me, a "white man" in the car. And don't even get me going on spending a week trying to straighten out a family member's paperwork with the Zambian so called government. The correct person to bribe seems to change week to week.

Now apply the examples of government corruption to our profession hunter outfitters bidding on 5-year contracts with government departments for hunting rights? What could go wrong? Could two or three outfitters all think they won the concession only to find out that what was in the bag really wasn't in the bag? The rule of law isn’t always the rule. Thus one protests or sues the other and we in first world countries start to point fingers at who we read is at fault…

Even in the USA when companies bid on US Government contracts and a company wins, their competitors file protests. This delays the contract kickoff (start) and provides news outlets much ado about nothing to weave into a big nothing burger.

I've learned from experience how fast African hunts can go sideways for a number of reasons, most of which originate from the PH/outfitter. Oh, I read about the hunting area dispute and so on but as my USMC Drill Instructor taught me, “Gather your intelligence locally”. Before booking with Dalton and York, I had an intense eyeball to eyeball conversation with Dalton. That was followed up by WhatsApp phone conversations and gathering my intelligence locally, i.e. from my friends and friendly AH associates who hunted with them.

I learned much about Dalton, York, and how they conduct business from the experiences of two close friends who between them hunted bull elephant, tuskless elephant, leopard, buffalo, and plains games. Add to that repeated annual hunts by other AH guys like @Philip Glass who at no financial benefit to him, coordinates and escorts four other hunters every year. That's year after year with Dalton and York.

Late last year I booked a tuskless hunt with Dalton and York. A couple months later at DSC 2025, Dalton and I had another eyeball to eyeball conversion about what I expected. Up to then, Dalton had not yet determined out who would guide me. But after maybe 3 minutes Dalton evaluated me as a man and a client and assigned to me a skilled PH with whom I’d have a memorable hunt. Johnny would be my PH. That's the PH that tracked the buffalo for about 7 days for Philip Glass and son. Bringing my trusty new mirrorless Nikon along for post-trophy, sub-50 yard photography and videoing of hopefully bull elephants will be right up Johnny’s alley since he started as a photo safari guide.

The bottom line is I nor many others know what transpired in the hunting concession dispute, other than sub-Saharan politics were probably part of it. I do know that Dalton and York will treat me fairly, as I will them. Respect is a two-way trail…

PS: I may not be the richest, biggest spending client but I will strive to be one of the best clients whom PH's have ever hunted with.

I’m not sure when this became the Dalton and York thread. There is a lot of positive signs from Dalton and York. It doesn’t change that they went from unknown to big name in under 5 years and are a relatively new outfitter. I considered my few posts on their areas and operation neutral and objective prior to now. If Dalton is willing to write a lie against me (that the search function easily shows a lie) and unwilling to correct himself that tells me a lot of who he is. This is a lot of hearsay that could be written but it means nothing. It is a fact they are a newer outfitter and less than 2 years ago was a dispute that delayed hunting in their primary area. If he thinks advising hunters to ask how long an outfitter holds the hunting rights to an area is a bad question to ask I’d love to hear why.

 

[kpoynter]

Okay folks, I know about as much about hunting lions in Zambia as most of you… I do know a little more about Zambian and other sub-Saharan African politics than many others thanks to dealing with issues my Zambian-born US Citizen wife's family has from time to time...

We in western countries enjoy the Rule of Law just as we take for granted safe water in our homes. Neither of those are common in Zambia, Zimbabwe, or even South Africa. Think about your time in Africa where the something didn't seem right and the PH had to work a little subtle magic to straighten it out. Have you ever been stopped at a police check point in the road in Zambia where only a few dollars would save you a couple hours of Keystone Cop equivalent shakedown? My charming chocolate (her word) wife can out talk the police but not with me, a "white man" in the car. And don't even get me going on spending a week trying to straighten out a family member's paperwork with the Zambian so called government. The correct person to bribe seems to change week to week.

Now apply the examples of government corruption to our profession hunter outfitters bidding on 5-year contracts with government departments for hunting rights? What could go wrong? Could two or three outfitters all think they won the concession only to find out that what was in the bag really wasn't in the bag? The rule of law isn’t always the rule. Thus one protests or sues the other and we in first world countries start to point fingers at who we read is at fault…

Even in the USA when companies bid on US Government contracts and a company wins, their competitors file protests. This delays the contract kickoff (start) and provides news outlets much ado about nothing to weave into a big nothing burger.

I've learned from experience how fast African hunts can go sideways for a number of reasons, most of which originate from the PH/outfitter. Oh, I read about the hunting area dispute and so on but as my USMC Drill Instructor taught me, “Gather your intelligence locally”. Before booking with Dalton and York, I had an intense eyeball to eyeball conversation with Dalton. That was followed up by WhatsApp phone conversations and gathering my intelligence locally, i.e. from my friends and friendly AH associates who hunted with them.

I learned much about Dalton, York, and how they conduct business from the experiences of two close friends who between them hunted bull elephant, tuskless elephant, leopard, buffalo, and plains games. Add to that repeated annual hunts by other AH guys like @Philip Glass who at no financial benefit to him, coordinates and escorts four other hunters every year. That's year after year with Dalton and York.

Late last year I booked a tuskless hunt with Dalton and York. A couple months later at DSC 2025, Dalton and I had another eyeball to eyeball conversion about what I expected. Up to then, Dalton had not yet determined out who would guide me. But after maybe 3 minutes Dalton evaluated me as a man and a client and assigned to me a skilled PH with whom I’d have a memorable hunt. Johnny would be my PH. That's the PH that tracked the buffalo for about 7 days for Philip Glass and son. Bringing my trusty new mirrorless Nikon along for post-trophy, sub-50 yard photography and videoing of hopefully bull elephants will be right up Johnny’s alley since he started as a photo safari guide.

The bottom line is I nor many others know what transpired in the hunting concession dispute, other than sub-Saharan politics were probably part of it. I do know that Dalton and York will treat me fairly, as I will them. Respect is a two-way trail…

PS: I may not be the richest, biggest spending client but I will strive to be one of the best clients whom PH's have ever hunted with.

Sooo…. The only thing that came up in relation to D&Y was simply in relation to cost/budget on a “Wild Lion Hunt”
There was zero disparagement and certainly zero question or negative assertion towards them.
Phillip simply (and incorrectly/innocently) injected that D&Y was WAY below market @ $900 a day etc (then doubled down and I imagine sent some back channel messages)
People were certainly naturally curious and particularly because they ARE very reputable not the opposite.
I think we all see it is a good value they are offering and the trophy fee/daily fee in a very fair, honest, and competitive way

 

[Rare Breed]

Well said given D&Y are a great outfitter based on my experience hunting with them. Philip was quoting the day rates I experienced with him when we both hunted dangerous game, me elephant and buffalo and him leopard. Dalton came back with their lion package so no one is lying. My only pick with you @375Fox is you are always so very negative and in this situation you give your opinion about that which you have not experienced. @Philip Glass abd myself hunted with D&Y at the exact time their dispute happened. @Mark A Ouellette did an excellent job describing how Africa works despite you providing shade to D&Y which everyone can see as you continue to both challenge and belittle them. You sound like an expert on that you do not know or have experienced when you have never hunted with them

 

[375Fox]

Well said given D&Y are a great outfitter based on my experience hunting with them. Philip was quoting the day rates I experienced with him when we both hunted dangerous game, me elephant and buffalo and him leopard. Dalton came back with their lion package so no one is lying. My only pick with you @375Fox is you are always so very negative and in this situation you give your opinion about that which you have not experienced. @Philip Glass abd myself hunted with D&Y at the exact time their dispute happened. @Mark A Ouellette did an excellent job describing how Africa works despite you providing shade to D&Y which everyone can see as you continue to both challenge and belittle them. You sound like an expert on that you do not know or have experienced when you have never hunted with them

I’ll do my 14th safari in my 6th African country next month. I have some experience choosing an outfitter in concession areas. There are questions I think very valid to ask and circumstances that would cause me to ask a lot more questions or walk away from certain opportunities. There are many who choose to be naive. Dalton took the opportunity to discredit me and accuse me of spreading hearsay here but not correct his own clients. He also could have responded to either of my posts following his statement or sent me a PM but did not. It’s a fact they are a newer outfitter and had a major issue in the not so recent past. If a person is thinking of booking a hunt several years out how long an outfitter holds a concession is a very relevant question.

You had a good hunt in the year of the dispute. How do you think that hunt would have gone if they did not regain the hunting rights? There is only so much quota available in quality areas on short notice and pockets only go so deep to afford to meet quoted rates. Other outfitters have lost their primary concession areas as well but I’ve only seen a major thread here created for one. Asking certain questions avoids surprises.

 

[375Fox]

Well said given D&Y are a great outfitter based on my experience hunting with them. Philip was quoting the day rates I experienced with him when we both hunted dangerous game, me elephant and buffalo and him leopard. Dalton came back with their lion package so no one is lying. My only pick with you @375Fox is you are always so very negative and in this situation you give your opinion about that which you have not experienced. @Philip Glass abd myself hunted with D&Y at the exact time their dispute happened. @Mark A Ouellette did an excellent job describing how Africa works despite you providing shade to D&Y which everyone can see as you continue to both challenge and belittle them. You sound like an expert on that you do not know or have experienced when you have never hunted with them

My initial comments were also made to explain why their rates are currently lower than many others. It wasn’t intended as shade on them. It’s a choice you can hunt with longer established bigger name outfitters at often higher rates or newer outfitters at often more affordable rates. The hunts they offer seem to be a great value, but I don’t appreciate being discredited to make his point when certain statements were never made.

 

[ActionBob]

A similar thread with more relevant comments. I doubt you can find a PH who has taken more lions.

Unfortunately Sherdell has cancer so the future may be a bit uncertain. If I get the opportunity, I'd go back to hunt with him again in a heartbeat!

Post in thread 'WANTED: 2023 Full Bag Hunt'

Sep 9, 2022

Mwatisi Safaries in Tanzania, Rungwa area. Lots of lion and leopard, tons of Buffalo although it was tough buff hunting on our hunt due to a weather anomaly that is not the norm. Very good roan, big wild sable in greater numbers than the roan, eland, World Class Lichtenstein Hartebeest, many others, beautiful zebra, littles, smaller predators including hyena. World class wart hog.... Elephant is possible but not as likely, as close to 100% on big cats as you can get in a truly wild area. @Royal27 @Wheels

Agree totally. The number of cats is incredible. The...

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[DALTON & YORK SAFARIS]

I’ll do my 14th safari in my 6th African country next month. I have some experience choosing an outfitter in concession areas. There are questions I think very valid to ask and circumstances that would cause me to ask a lot more questions or walk away from certain opportunities. There are many who choose to be naive. Dalton took the opportunity to discredit me and accuse me of spreading hearsay here but not correct his own clients. He also could have responded to either of my posts following his statement or sent me a PM but did not. It’s a fact they are a newer outfitter and had a major issue in the not so recent past. If a person is thinking of booking a hunt several years out how long an outfitter holds a concession is a very relevant question.

You had a good hunt in the year of the dispute. How do you think that hunt would have gone if they did not regain the hunting rights? There is only so much quota available in quality areas on short notice and pockets only go so deep to afford to meet quoted rates. Other outfitters have lost their primary concession areas as well but I’ve only seen a major thread here created for one. Asking certain questions avoids surprises.

Good morning members of ah I do not want to disturb this post as it is not my post to do so . I clearly just illustrated that we have had 375fox mention our reliability on concessions twice now , this being said it’s a great question and the facts of this dispute is a lot deeper than just a tender process . Most people on this forum know about the dispute and a reiteration of the subject puts a lot of doubt in potential clients hence the calling out. We have signed and sealed the concessions until 2028 and will not change any hands until then .

We had clients booked in 2023 during the turmoil some of who are on this forum which we moved safaris to areas best suited as a substitution . We are a company of positive motives and every business gets thrown curve balls and it’s our duty to rectify that as best we can to ensure a great safari.

We are a new company yes but highly driven by providing the best possible experience we can provide . We pride our selves as honest and consistent as we can be .

On closing apologies for the disruption of this post and thank you to all our loyal clients for there support in the matter it means a lot

 

[Philip Glass]

I’ll do my 14th safari in my 6th African country next month. I have some experience choosing an outfitter in concession areas. There are questions I think very valid to ask and circumstances that would cause me to ask a lot more questions or walk away from certain opportunities. There are many who choose to be naive. Dalton took the opportunity to discredit me and accuse me of spreading hearsay here but not correct his own clients. He also could have responded to either of my posts following his statement or sent me a PM but did not. It’s a fact they are a newer outfitter and had a major issue in the not so recent past. If a person is thinking of booking a hunt several years out how long an outfitter holds a concession is a very relevant question.

You had a good hunt in the year of the dispute. How do you think that hunt would have gone if they did not regain the hunting rights? There is only so much quota available in quality areas on short notice and pockets only go so deep to afford to meet quoted rates. Other outfitters have lost their primary concession areas as well but I’ve only seen a major thread here created for one. Asking certain questions avoids surprises.

The subject and the tone of your posts are quite unfair and ignorant of how difficult things can be in Zim. Politics is a constant challenge there. D&Y have something like 6 areas to hunt now. If we had to move two years ago we would have been accommodated.
I know some other top outfitters who have lost their main areas recently. They definitely had clients booked to hunt those areas. I also know these guys are all professionals and will carry on.

 

[Philip Glass]

I’m not sure when this became the Dalton and York thread. There is a lot of positive signs from Dalton and York. It doesn’t change that they went from unknown to big name in under 5 years and are a relatively new outfitter. I considered my few posts on their areas and operation neutral and objective prior to now. If Dalton is willing to write a lie against me (that the search function easily shows a lie) and unwilling to correct himself that tells me a lot of who he is. This is a lot of hearsay that could be written but it means nothing. It is a fact they are a newer outfitter and less than 2 years ago was a dispute that delayed hunting in their primary area. If he thinks advising hunters to ask how long an outfitter holds the hunting rights to an area is a bad question to ask I’d love to hear why.

I hunted with Dalton in 2016. I wouldn't say he is new to the business. I doubt Dalton has the time to read each and every post here.

 

[375Fox]

The subject and the tone of your posts are quite unfair and ignorant of how difficult things can be in Zim. Politics is a constant challenge there. D&Y have something like 6 areas to hunt now. If we had to move two years ago we would have been accommodated.
I know some other top outfitters who have lost their main areas recently. They definitely had clients booked to hunt those areas. I also know these guys are all professionals and will carry on.

That’s not an unfair statement. However they went from an outfitter I was relatively neutral on but thought were doing the right things to an outfitter I’d never consider a hunt with all due to one post written with intent to discredit me rather than address a fact. The way things are responded to can create very different outcomes.