Why no love for the .358 Win?

[Tam Dl]

They were selling 9.3x62 barrels for the Garand up here in Ontario. Not a light and limber package maybe, should be able to put the hurt on, though.

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As most of you may remember, I have a 9.3x62 Garand.This rifle has a Lothar Walther barrel and it was built on a Breda receiver.The rifle was test fired using a Schuster gas plug. The gun cycled prop

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[Flbt]

My grate nephew in law told me tonight he picked up a nice 98 in 9x57.
And he is thinking of re barrel it to a 358w
I told him I would see about shooting it like it was before I would redo it
But it would be a nice woods rifle especially with a 18 in barrel or so

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

Outstanding group! Sounds like the 358 likes to shoot most 225 class bullets to similar points of impact given everything else stays the same. Good to know! I’ve read alot of good things about the woodleighs and the north forks but haven’t been able to locate any here in the states. I’m sure those loads will bring the hunt together for rick when he goes to Nimibia. I can only dream to have an African hunt under my belt someday.

@Jason1290
What state are you in.
Stop dreaming and start saving and you will be in Africa before you know it..
There's a new Woodleigh dealer in the states.
Ricks lucky I'm visiting him in October and taking him 2 boxes of Woodleigh to have some fun with.
Bob

 

[Jason1290]

@Jason1290
What state are you in.
Stop dreaming and start saving and you will be in Africa before you know it..
There's a new Woodleigh dealer in the states.
Ricks lucky I'm visiting him in October and taking him 2 boxes of Woodleigh to have some fun with.
Bob

Bob, I’m in Oregon. No idea how much it would cost but it would be amazing to go hunting there someday. Hopefully sooner than later. Rick is very lucky to have you as a friend.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

Bob, I’m in Oregon. No idea how much it would cost but it would be amazing to go hunting there someday. Hopefully sooner than later. Rick is very lucky to have you as a friend.

@Jason1290
It is cheaper to hunt Africa than you think.
There are many good deals from benefactors on this site.
If you don't want trophies you could always do a cull hunt that is a cheaper option then and a trophy or two if you need to.
It was cheaper for me to hunt Namibia than hunt buffalo in my home country of Australia. So Namibia was a no brainer for me and a decision I have NEVER regretted.
@Rick HOlbert is a great bloke the same as a lot of people in this site.
Bob

 

[Jason1290]

@Jason1290
It is cheaper to hunt Africa than you think.
There are many good deals from benefactors on this site.
If you don't want trophies you could always do a cull hunt that is a cheaper option then and a trophy or two if you need to.
It was cheaper for me to hunt Namibia than hunt buffalo in my home country of Australia. So Namibia was a no brainer for me and a decision I have NEVER regretted.
@Rick HOlbert is a great bloke the same as a lot of people in this site.
Bob

I will have to look into this! A cull hunt sounds like a great place to start. Thank you Bob.

I am definitely enjoying being a part of this site. I will continue to stick around.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

I will have to look into this! A cull hunt sounds like a great place to start. Thank you Bob.

I am definitely enjoying being a part of this site. I will continue to stick around.

@Jason1290
Do yourself a favour. Don't wait until one day I will do it. By then one day will arrive and it will be to late. Start researching and go. No use dying with regrets. Life is for living I'm sure you will find a way to fullfill your dream.
Bob

 

[Jason1290]

@Jason1290
Do yourself a favour. Don't wait until one day I will do it. By then one day will arrive and it will be to late. Start researching and go. No use dying with regrets. Life is for living I'm sure you will find a way to fullfill your dream.
Bob

Wise words Bob! You’re not kidding. I’ll look into it.

 

[Jason1290]

Just got an email from Nosler, they’re planning on doing a run of .35 cal 225 partitions sometime this year!

 

[daxter11]

I love mine lol

 

[Hagler.450Ex]

I love my new lady, a Husky 146 FN98 in 9.3x57. Unmolested, untapped, no attachments, no drama. Straight off the shelf 1940. I'll do a write-up when I get everything squared away, but honestly, I don't think anyone that has ever used a 9.3x57 would even consider changing to .358 Win.
I like her far more than the x62....if I'm going out for a walk, I'll take the x57 from now on....she can kick out some 300 gr. solids herself....but with gentle finesse and at the magic velocity.

 

[hoytcanon]

I love my new lady, a Husky 146 FN98 in 9.3x57. Unmolested, untapped, no attachments, no drama. Straight off the shelf 1940. I'll do a write-up when I get everything squared away, but honestly, I don't think anyone that has ever used a 9.3x57 would even consider changing to .358 Win.
I like her far more than the x62....if I'm going out for a walk, I'll take the x57 from now on....she can kick out some 300 gr. solids herself....but with gentle finesse and at the magic velocity.

I started that bracket with 9.3X57, then 9.3X62, 9.3X64 and 9.3X74R... then started on the .35 Cals... .35 Rem, .356 & .358 Win, .350 Rem Mag, .35 Whelen, .358 Norma, .358-375 Ruger. Now? I have downsized it all, I have one 9.3X64 Brenneke, one .358 Win, one .35 Whelen and one .350 Rem Mag. So people do go from the 9.3's to .35's. Personally, I think 250 grain bullets are optimal in this bracket of cartridges, maybe 286 in the bigger ones.

 

[MS 9x56]

I love my new lady, a Husky 146 FN98 in 9.3x57. Unmolested, untapped, no attachments, no drama. Straight off the shelf 1940. I'll do a write-up when I get everything squared away, but honestly, I don't think anyone that has ever used a 9.3x57 would even consider changing to .358 Win.
I like her far more than the x62....if I'm going out for a walk, I'll take the x57 from now on....she can kick out some 300 gr. solids herself....but with gentle finesse and at the magic velocity.

I have a 9.3x62 so I wouldn’t trade my 358 win, but if I come across a 9.3x57 I would probably buy it as I love the thump.

 

[Hagler.450Ex]

I do love the thump as well. Given that my ranges never exceed iron sight capability and never will, (I'm not a scope person, in 50 years have never needed one and I wear corrective lenses), it's good for me. I will say, if I ever needed more range, I might change my perspective. I've always kept things at the magic 2050-2150, that 100fps window. If I need more, I simply go larger. That's just me, and due to never needing more range. The 9.3x57 may be the smallest package of a 'do it all' I've EVER come across. The 300 at 2,170fps exceeds the 'original' 9.3x62 factory load of 286 at 2,175fps, the load that Taylor made note of for all African game. It's good to hear the thumps, instead of having to use more time in between shots for recovery. Faster, safer. Some will argue that the other way and propose more velocity, I suppose it's an age-old debate.

 

[Jack Stevens]

I started that bracket with 9.3X57, then 9.3X62, 9.3X64 and 9.3X74R... then started on the .35 Cals... .35 Rem, .356 & .358 Win, .350 Rem Mag, .35 Whelen, .358 Norma, .358-375 Ruger. Now? I have downsized it all, I have one 9.3X64 Brenneke, one .358 Win, one .35 Whelen and one .350 Rem Mag. So people do go from the 9.3's to .35's. Personally, I think 250 grain bullets are optimal in this bracket of cartridges, maybe 286 in the bigger ones.

Old thread I know, but per an Alaskan contact the .358 Win - chambered in a handy old-school lever-action - is still popular up there for taking big critters in close, thick brush and in the timbered areas.

The .35-cal cartridges generally have a rep for punching above their weight class. In the field they kill out of all disproportion to what their “paper ballistics” would suggest vis-a-vi other cartridges.

Writer Gregor Woods, author of “Rifles and Cartridges for Africa,” stated he couldn’t understand why he didn’t see more American hunters bringing 35-cal rifles to Africa for large PG, specifically naming the .35 Whelen and the .350 Rem Magnum for that purpose. He felt they would perform just as well as the ubiquitous Holland .375.

Happy family ….

.35 Remington, .35 Whelen, .350 Rem Mag:

 

[EVR]

I love my new lady, a Husky 146 FN98 in 9.3x57. Unmolested, untapped, no attachments, no drama. Straight off the shelf 1940. I'll do a write-up when I get everything squared away, but honestly, I don't think anyone that has ever used a 9.3x57 would even consider changing to .358 Win.
I like her far more than the x62....if I'm going out for a walk, I'll take the x57 from now on....she can kick out some 300 gr. solids herself....but with gentle finesse and at the magic velocity.

I've been partial to the 9.3's for years.
Had a couple x57's, shot deer, elk and bear w/ that caliber & one crazy range cow! lol . Excellent in its range. Deer, elk, & bear with the x62, also.

 

[Jack Stevens]

I've been partial to the 9.3's for years.
Had a couple x57's, shot deer, elk and bear w/ that caliber & one crazy range cow! lol . Excellent in its range. Deer, elk, & bear with the x62, also.

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Very nice collection of critters!

 

[MS 9x56]

Been on the lookout for one of these 9.3x57 rifles. Probably similar to 358 but I believe those 9.3 286 grain bullets just hit harder.

 

[EVR]

@MS 9x56
The .358 Win, 9x56, 9x57, 9.3x57, 9.5x57 all IMO get short shrift first by being compared with the 9.3x62 and .35 Whelen in modern loadings and even by comparison w/ the .375 H&H. I suspect a lot of that among those who should be more knowledgeable has to do w/ the belittlement more or less by Taylor and others with Africa experience (or...who dream of Africa experience) who point to the (often-uneeded) need for effectiveness against the heaviest and most dangerous of game. Add the fact that they are not long range cartridges which (for example, here in some areas where logging practices have stretched the possible range of shots) are all such the rage now and the folks have just steered clear of them.

Fact is tho that all are solid 200 meter deer, elk, black bear and boar rounds, produce significantly less recoil than the modern-loaded 9.3x62 and thus are easy to shoot and very few are in need of a caliber for hippo et al, and if such is a need, other calibers are readily available.

While I no longer own one, if I was picking one round for our deer and elk here in north Idaho the 9.3x57 would be a tough one to ignore. Easy to shoot and very effective as I experienced when I did use a couple of them on such game.

I've often thought of getting a .358 in the Browning BLR. Would be hard to beat for most of my conditions.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

@MS 9x56
The .358 Win, 9x56, 9x57, 9.3x57, 9.5x57 all IMO get short shrift first by being compared with the 9.3x62 and .35 Whelen in modern loadings and even by comparison w/ the .375 H&H. I suspect a lot of that among those who should be more knowledgeable has to do w/ the belittlement more or less by Taylor and others with Africa experience (or...who dream of Africa experience) who point to the (often-uneeded) need for effectiveness against the heaviest and most dangerous of game. Add the fact that they are not long range cartridges which (for example, here in some areas where logging practices have stretched the possible range of shots) are all such the rage now and the folks have just steered clear of them.

Fact is tho that all are solid 200 meter deer, elk, black bear and boar rounds, produce significantly less recoil than the modern-loaded 9.3x62 and thus are easy to shoot and very few are in need of a caliber for hippo et al, and if such is a need, other calibers are readily available.

While I no longer own one, if I was picking one round for our deer and elk here in north Idaho the 9.3x57 would be a tough one to ignore. Easy to shoot and very effective as I experienced when I did use a couple of them on such game.

I've often thought of getting a .358 in the Browning BLR. Would be hard to beat for most of my conditions.

@EVR
Go forth and seek that BLR.
If'n y'all can't find one the next best is a bolt action. Problem is those in 358 are hard to find at reasonable prices.
But all is not lost. There's 1,000s of useless 243s floating around just screaming for a new barrel in a real calibre. A nice 2nd hand Savage 10 and a new screw in barrel ( available at reasonable prices and you can do the job yourself) and you are set to go.
Go forth and rid the world of another 243 it will make you happy.
Bob