Why no lever-action rifle for Elephants?

Does make you wonder that as you can get BLRs in .30-06 and 300WM whether they could be rebarreled to 9.3x62 and 458WM

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Not quite rebarrled, but rebored. A 300 win receiver was mated with a 450 Marlin barrel assembly and rechambered for 458 win. Others can be rebored to hit other calibers. With the 450 Marlin gakedowns no longer in production, it will be more expensive and a longer wait to get one I would guess as both a 450M and a 300 are needed, at least for the 458 win
 
Does make you wonder that as you can get BLRs in .30-06 and 300WM whether they could be rebarreled to 9.3x62 and 458WM

Scrummy
And, I could have sworn that Browning chambered the BLR at one point in .338WM. I remember seeing one of their catalogs back in the '90s showing that chambering in the BLR? Either way, since the BLR offerings of .300WM and 7mmRM and those cases are just necked down .458WM cases (same with the .338WM), it wouldn't be such a leap to chamber a BLR in .458WM or better yet, a .416 Taylor (same case). A new barrel chambered for either cartridge would work without much fuss I would imagine?
 
And, I could have sworn that Browning chambered the BLR at one point in .338WM. I remember seeing one of their catalogs back in the '90s showing that chambering in the BLR? Either way, since the BLR offerings of .300WM and 7mmRM and those cases are just necked down .458WM cases (same with the .338WM), it wouldn't be such a leap to chamber a BLR in .458WM or better yet, a .416 Taylor (same case). A new barrel chambered for either cartridge would work without much fuss I would imagine?
One of the challenges with rebarreling a BLR is how the barrel is mated to the receiver. I'm not aware of a smith who will rebarrel a newer BLR, but would love to know if anyone here knows one that is confirmed to do it.

I was quoted 4k for a 458 win BLR about 2 years ago.
 
Company out in VA is producing a 375WSM for their bolt guns and ARs, have data showing 2500 FPS with a 300 gr out of a 20" barrel. That would be my choice for a BLR now.
I just need a 325wsm takedown, if anyone has one to sell?;)
 
One of the challenges with rebarreling a BLR is how the barrel is mated to the receiver. I'm not aware of a smith who will rebarrel a newer BLR, but would love to know if anyone here knows one that is confirmed to do it.

I was quoted 4k for a 458 win BLR about 2 years ago.
Wow! Nevermind then.
 
I quess the short straight forward answer to the original questions is...
Because no PH uses one for backup on elephant....for very good reason. ...
That's a bit trite. PHs also don't use a bow or a big bore handgun for back ups on elephant hunts that I've heard, but hunters take elephant every year with each. Members here have taken elephant with bows, handguns, and lever actions.

I think to better address the OPs question, why does no one make a lever actions designed for Elephant, I would wager the market is too small to account for the expense of the design and production vs sales. That said, there are levergun models that members use successfully.
 
That's a bit trite. PHs also don't use a bow or a big bore handgun for back ups on elephant hunts that I've heard, but hunters take elephant every year with each. Members here have taken elephant with bows, handguns, and lever actions.

I think to better address the OPs question, why does no one make a lever actions designed for Elephant, I would wager the market is too small to account for the expense of the design and production vs sales. That said, there are levergun models that members use successfully.
Trite???

You pick your weapons and if you can stop a charge with your chosen weapon good for you....if not well I personally would declare your choice as not being ethical for the purpose....

Give the animal you are hunting the respect it deserves and kill it with a weapon that is capable of doing so....
 
Trite???

You pick your weapons and if you can stop a charge with your chosen weapon good for you....if not well I personally would declare your choice as not being ethical for the purpose....

Give the animal you are hunting the respect it deserves and kill it with a weapon that is capable of doing so....
Yes, trite, as in overused. "Well no PHs use it, so it's no good" is trite in relation to the question. It's not an answer, it's a blanket response.

We all you your opinions on this forum, if you do not agree to Bow or Handgun hunters taking elephant, that's your prerogative. You're on record here stating a 375 is adequate for elephant, yet I dont think you'd choose it as a backup for a charge type situation, but you recommend it to clients. So, not sure even why you're looping that in.

The original question was on lever actions used for elephant hunting. Answer is yes, they have been, and continue to be used successfully. As with any hunting, it's up to the hunter to chose their load appropriately, legally, and shoot accurately.
 
The fact that he resigned and voluntarily went to the front during the First World War shows the character of the man.
True, though as a fellow Canadian, you will recognize this as "ministerial responsibility". If something bad happens on your watch, you resign. It is not an admission of your incompetence, or perfidious behaviour. It still happens in the UK, It used to happen not too long ago in Canada, but now they have no honor, and fight to the end before leaving. It was a great tradition, though sometimes you end up with the second best choice, one would imagine, after the first choice leaves. But then again, back then they had giants in various portfolios. Today it is rare to find even competence.

I don't know why he went to the front, he did like adventure, but it may have been another honour bound act to show he could eat his own medicine.

Imagine if after Benghazi (I am not characterizing what happened there, I just saw a movie), Clinton had gone "my show my bad, I resign", she would have dignity; not be tempted to tell lies (if she was); throw people under her, under the bus, etc... It is a neat elegant system. You move on.
 
if you do not agree to Bow or Handgun hunters taking elephant, that's your prerogative. You're on record here stating a 375 is adequate for elephant, yet I dont think you'd choose it as a backup for a charge type situation, but you recommend it to clients. So, not sure even why you're looping that in.
When I think of an elephant hunt, and I did briefly give it serious consideration, I think of dangerous game scenarios. I came away feeling that no sane PH would put you in that situation on your first trip in country, and that all I would be doing is shooting a large target for meat. If you look at Bodington's video, he points out that you should be considering the kind of raking forward side shot that I could get for free on my own property on moose, WT, or black bear, almost without leaving the house.

So if that is at least some elephant hunting, then yea bows and all that come into it. One can hide behind a bush under the protection of hard men with rifles, and pick an elephant off. Not DG hunting, not even really hunting in some situations.

But if you were in a situation where you faced a charge then you need a reliable rifle in 9.3x62 and up, and a BLR, or 1895 could serve.
 
And, I could have sworn that Browning chambered the BLR at one point in .338WM. I remember seeing one of their catalogs back in the '90s showing that chambering in the BLR? Either way, since the BLR offerings of .300WM and 7mmRM and those cases are just necked down .458WM cases (same with the .338WM), it wouldn't be such a leap to chamber a BLR in .458WM or better yet, a .416 Taylor (same case). A new barrel chambered for either cartridge would work without much fuss I would imagine?
They certainly did the BAR in .338WM
 
So then the question becomes "why"?

- Imagine the person holding the rifle has a bead on the brain and just has to smooth the trigger, without disturbing the aim, is that somehow a bigger deal with a lever than a bolt? If it all works out you nail that shot, and if it goes to hell, that is the only shot you had.

- So you are facing the second shot. So the undeniable advantage of the lever is that when it runs, it runs a lot faster than a bolt. Which is cool, but not entirely in character with what seems to be part of the claim that somehow the guy with a lever is rising to a higher challenge. Se Vince Lupo.

With the popular Marlins there can be a race to run the things fast, while there is a possibility to lock them up. And they aren't open topped, so they can be difficult to clear without a plasma cutter. "Unscrew the screw holding the lever in place..."

(The 1895 is controlled round feed, and seems to have done ok in whatever kind of hell the Russian front was in WWI. The 1886 is also controlled round feed (I have several, but I don't know how well it compares to a 98 bolt. I have several of those also. It certainly isn't any better and there are more moving parts than a cuckoo clock. 95s are very rare in a suitable caliber and 1886s are available, you can find one in the US easily in 50-110, or 45-90.

But the Marlins seemed to be more common, and I think there is a lot to look forward to in the new Rugers. The only thing is that the preference on these already underpowered guns is for 19 inch barrels for Alaska.)

At the end of the day it just seems like a stance. Some people like to be different. But not enough do to ensure the markets offers sensible options. When one can get a Blaser for what a custom lever costs, sensible isn't really on the menu. If one wanted to, one could get a 98 in in 9.3, 375, or 458, for what Marlins used to cost a few years back.
 
Alaska Luke said "Here is what I want to see. I want a Model 94 in 444 Marlin with really nice open sites and a McMillan style fiberglass stock that is glass bedded. "

My response is "Why not try the Winchester 1895 in .405 Winchester? The .405 is competitive with the .444 and is proven in Africa with 300 grain and 400 grain Bullets. "
With proper bullets, it can take game from Blackbuck to elephant (an d has).
Also fast handling and with recoil pad and Magnaport, what is missing?
Two summers ago, I was rolling through the province of Quebec, and had my bead on a pair of 1895s, in both the 30-06 and the 405. I was going to buy both, figured they might hold value, and be fun to play with. But at the last minute I shied. I still wish I had purchased the 30-06 for conversion to the 9.3x62. But I had no idea how unobtanium 405 cases are. Ridiculously hard to find. Though, maybe not that bad compared to some of the African cases.

An off the rack easy to find in NA option is the Winchester 1886 in 45-90, which is similar to the 458 win in bullet and capacity, and the action is far more military, than the Marlin, and stronger.

Brass is easy to find, and reloading data, is discussed on this board.

In recent decades (I am no historian), the Win 1886 in 45-90 has been available in both black powder and smokeless barrel twists. The thinking goes that a practical guy with a 45 would opt for the 45-70, so the 45-90 is for some guy who runs BP in some kind of side match. So be sure to get what you actually want in that regard.
 
he used people to chase game to him, and was indiscriminant in what he shot.
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Your views are mildly formulated "remarkable" and I would like to read your sources for them.

He undoubtedly influenced the hunting ethics of his time, and for the better.
OK, his Rough Riders were a bit angry with him, because they had to walk at San Juan Hill :)
 

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