What Would Bob Nelson think of a .358x57 Round?

[hawkeyesatx]

Original loads worked all along. Hawk doesn’t like magnum cartridges just magnum velocity.

It isn’t that I like magnum velocities, just loading cartridges more to potential if using a modern strong action.

Hawk

 

[hawkeyesatx]

My problem with magnum velocity is the increased amount of meat lost to bloodshot and bone splinter damage. I am a meat hunter so the less lost to shot damage the more for eating. I do not need to shoot 400 to 500 yards as I am able to stalk within 200 or less.

The majority of my game animals that were within 250 yds, if not closer.
The reason I want a little more oomph, because: #1) The terrain I have hunted, and continue to hunt, is mountainous. #2) The terrain I hunt has bears, mountain lions, and coyotes, along with deer, elk, and moose.
So when I hit something, I want a quick passing of the animal. That way I don’t have to chase it over hill, over dale. If I have to defend myself from bear, I want a cartridge that will end a possible attack extremely quick.


Hawk

 

[MS 9x56]

It isn’t that I like magnum velocities, just loading cartridges more to potential if using a modern strong action.

Hawk

I chased that dog until I realized it was holding me back from being a better hunter. I am a marksman but not a sniper. I prefer still hunting and getting as close as I can before taking the shot.

 

[steve white]

There is another 358 Wildcat that I'd like to check out eventually. It's the 358 Grant 1.8. Apparently it's a WSSM case trimmed to 1.8 inches and blown out to 358. Basically a 35 Whelen super short mag.

Why? Well apparently Indiana had some goofy restrictions for deer hunting cartridges, 1.8 inch case and 35 cal more. 358 Grant 1.8 was and attempt to get the most velocity possible given those restrictions.

Now I don't live in Indiana but I like short powerful rifles. Someday I'd like to get a mini bolt action and make a super short/light rifle on it. Basically an updated version of the short 358 Winchester I have for hike hunts.

as long as you can get that short case to feed well with all bullet configurations, sounds interesting...

 

[steve white]

Someone remind me, as I cannot remember whether it was hydraulic shock or hydrodynamic shock that began in its' full effect at 358 die./frontal area? Perhaps one of the reasons why the 35's are so effective, even in the diminutive 35 Rem.?

 

[freefall]

Hey Bob!

I was wondering what you would think of necking up an 8mm Mauser cartridge to .358 caliber.
It wouldn’t be per se a 9x57, because I’m thinking of it being higher pressure like the .35 Whelen.
It would fall in between the .358 Win and the .35 Whelen power wise.
It would probably be a 180 gr to 225 gr shooter, but that’s enough to cover a whole slew of game animals worldwide.
I believe I could scrounge up some 9x57 reloading dies somewhere, so it wouldn’t be that much of a stretch to come up with the new round.


Hawk

Bob would be willing to grant you an Indulgence for $3.58. Which I hope he will give me 37.5% of.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

It isn’t that I like magnum velocities, just loading cartridges more to potential if using a modern strong action.

Hawk

@hawkeyesatx
I agree with you mate. Who wants a 30-06 loaded with 150s doing the old 2,700fps when you can SAFELY load the same to 3,000fps.
Not getting the best you can out of a cartridge is akin to buying a watchdog and barking yourself.
Pretty pointless
Bob.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

Bob would be willing to grant you an Indulgence for $3.58. Which I hope he will give me 37.5% of.

@freefall
How bout I give you both three fiths of five eighths of stuff all apart from a good laugh and have fun in life. Life is to short not to enjoy it even with all the shit that comes with it at times.
Bob

 

[freefall]

I don't quite follow all the math, but I agree about a good laugh. The only thing the government hasn't figured out how to tax, tho they are trying to criminalize it when we laugh at them.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

I don't quite follow all the math, but I agree about a good laugh. The only thing the government hasn't figured out how to tax, tho they are trying to criminalize it when we laugh at them.

@freefall
Don't worry about the maths mate it's just an Australian way of saying I really don't give a shit.
Bob

 

[Vinootz]

Bob would be happy with me, I shot 4 out of 8 with my semi custom Rem 700 35 Whelen just a few weeks ago. Shooting 225 grain Northforks, dropped a kudu, zebra, bush buck and Impala and the longest track was about 25 yards. Really like my Whelen! However, I do have a 300 Weatherby sitting in the safe that may become a 358 STA (Whelen big brother) someday if the madness with components ever dies down.

If Bob gave you a gold star on your collar would you be happy?- lol

 

[MS 9x56]

At the end of the day... I still really like the .358 win that Bob talked me into.

I have never met a 358 caliber that I didn't like. Their performance on game has to be experienced to be believed.

 

[Jimmy 9.3]

Correct

Here is the links I found but there was a full write up too

Guns and Game Magazine

Meet the team: Ted Mitchell - Sporting Shooter

Name and birthplace? Born 12th March 1943. Named Norman Edward Mitchell, but always known as Ted or Teddy. When did you first start hunting? I suppose it was when I stalked and shot the family dog with a bow and arrow at around 9 years of age. Then at age 14 years I bought my...

www.sportingshooter.com.au

350 wallup improved ..... they have that on 4D reamers list ..... very interesting