What problems have you encountered with your Blaser R8?

I have two R8's (Professional stock and GRS Norwegian made birch laminate) and four barrels, .223, 22-250, 30-06 and 375 H&H. I have never had a problem with factory rounds. The 22-250 would occasionally misfire using reloaded ammunition. I would hear a click but no dent on the primer. I am assuming this is a case sizing problem. Likely need to full length resize rather than neck sizing but I haven't taken the time to investigate further. Anyone else run into this problem?
I have found you have to cycle the round firmly every time. My guess is with smaller round you aren forcibly closing the bolt like you do in some of the larger calibers.

Even if you cycle gently, you can give bolt handle a firm push forward after closing and it should solve the issue.
 
Hello All, I have a nephew that has an R93 in 300 Win Mag and the damn thing is incredibly picky about which ammo it shoots ok. The only bullet it seems to like is the 150gr Hornady Interlock. It shoots monolithic bullets, Partitions, and A-Frames all over 1 1/2” @ 100 yards. He is very capable of shooting well under an inch with magnum rifles. Any advice? Has anyone else had this problem? TIA
Sent you a PM as to not derail this thread into a tangent on r93’s……
 
Dispassionately understanding the "Blaser click" and the difference between R93 and R8

I have two R8's (Professional stock and GRS Norwegian made birch laminate) and four barrels, .223, 22-250, 30-06 and 375 H&H. I have never had a problem with factory rounds. The 22-250 would occasionally misfire using reloaded ammunition. I would hear a click but no dent on the primer. I am assuming this is a case sizing problem. Likely need to full length resize rather than neck sizing but I haven't taken the time to investigate further. Anyone else run into this problem?

Operating words: "using reloaded ammunition".

Here is what happens, in as concise a form as possible:

The R8 bolt locks when the collet (green) is expanded outward by a steel sleeve (Orange) that is pushed forward by the in-line forward rotation of the bolt handle.
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THIS IS DONE IN THE LAST HALF INCH OF BOLT HANDLE FORWARD ROTATION, when the bolt head advances forward about 1/128th of an inch.

If the last half inch of bolt handle forward rotation is not done, the action LOOKS closed, but it is not:

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If the trigger is depressed at this stage, this is the dreaded "Blaser click". The firing pin is released (just as it can be released with a turn bolt by depressing the trigger while closing the bolt), but it is blocked by its safety block and stops short of striking the primer.

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The two most classic ways for the "click" to happen are:

1) The use of reloaded ammo either not fully re-sized, or incompletely fully-resized. The case does not penetrate completely in the chamber, the bolt head does not penetrate the last ~1/128th, the collet does not line up with its barrel recess, and the action does not close although it looks closed at a glance. The action is not in battery, therefore the safety block stops the firing pin.​
2) Hunters loading a round in the chamber in close proximity of a game they have stalked and trying to do it ever so delicately in complete silence. Because there is marked mechanical stage after the bolt is partially closed, before it is locked by the bolt handle rotating forward the last half inch, some new Blaser users have failed to actually close the bolt fully. The action is not in battery, therefore the safety block stops the firing pin.​

The infamous "Blaser click" likely annoys reloaders, and probably cost a few R8 novices an easy shot after a successful stalk, but it is the result of operator error and - most importantly - it mechanically cannot result in a detonation out of battery on the R8.


The big difference with the R93 is that the locking mechanism was different in three significant ways:
  1. There was no sleeve pushing the collet outward. The collet itself (red) was pushed forward by the rotation of the bolt handle and slid upward on the ~50⁰ ramp of the bolt.
  2. The locking surface of the collet, and the locking surface of the barrel were also slanted at ~50⁰ which made both locking AND UNLOCKING easier.
  3. The firing pin was slightly indenting the primer of the cartridge when the trigger was depressed while the action was not locked.
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While I have no direct personal knowledge of any of the accidents, it is factual that some R93 fired out of battery, and it seems factual based on the various reports that the R93 accidents were caused by the use of reloaded ammunition.


I am speculating that it was possible with the R93 to get to the exactly wrong combination of events:

i) to push the bolt forward enough on an oversized case so that the collet could partially slide in the barrel locking recess along the ~50⁰ ramp;​
ii) that a primer not deeply seated could be indented deeply enough by the firing pin to detonate;​
iii) that the absence of the steel sleeve under the collet could allow the collet to flex under the pressure of the out of battery firing, slid back on the ~50⁰ ramp, and disengage from the partial lock.​


It is my personal analysis that the addition of the steel sleeve under the collet, and the near ~90⁰ locking edge of the collet make the R8 as different from the R93 as a Mauser (18)98 is from a Mauser 1871, in as much as they prevent a partial lock. The collet is either expended outward in the barrel recess and cannot flex back inward due to the presence of the sleeve, or it is not. There is no in between.


I hope this was of interest.
 
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no emotional damage then, just go and buy some more barrels

l don't actually care, l do not trust Blaser period and for very good reasons shown in the link l posted
there are no lies in anything l have said that are repeated by others in the link
l conveyed a story about something l was witness to and my opinions because of what l witnessed
its funny how the company lawyers wanted me to take the stand as a witness for them till we had a chat
l have witnessed many different blow ups but no other rifle blew the bolt back into the shooters face

but l would still like to know how do you close a straight pull bolt at 90%?
is that just too ridiculous to answer?

I’m not asking you to trust any rifle. I was asking for feedback from owner/shooters of R8’s. Your feedback relates to the R93. That’s like asking for feedback on a Mauser 98 and getting replies regarding the model 93. Same, same but different.

As to your question on the engineering aspect. I’ll leave that to the engineers to explain. I’m a shooter and definitely not a technical expert. In short I don’t know.

Finally, I don’t own a R93 and have never used one. But I would happily if the opportunity presented.

Enjoy your Mauser 98’s, I love mine too.
 
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Dispassionately understanding the "Blaser click" and the difference between R93 and R8



Operating words: "using reloaded ammunition".

Here is what happens, in as concise a form as possible:

The R8 bolt locks when the collet (green) is expanded outward by a steel sleeve (Orange) that is pushed forward by the in-line forward rotation of the bolt handle.
View attachment 601875
THIS IS DONE IN THE LAST HALF INCH OF BOLT HANDLE FORWARD ROTATION, when the bolt head advances forward about 1/128th of an inch.

If the last half inch of bolt handle forward rotation is not done, the action LOOKS closed, but it is not:

View attachment 601880

If the trigger is depressed at this stage, this is the dreaded "Blaser click". The firing pin is released (just as it can be released with a turn bolt by depressing the trigger while closing the bolt), but it is blocked by its safety block and stops short of striking the primer.

View attachment 601881

The two most classic ways for the "click" to happen are:

1) The use of reloaded ammo either not fully re-sized, or incompletely fully-resized. The case does not penetrate completely in the chamber, the bolt head does not penetrate the last ~1/128th, the collet does not line up with its barrel recess, and the action does not close although it looks closed at a glance. The action is not in battery, therefore the safety block stops the firing pin.​
2) Hunters loading a round in the chamber in close proximity of a game they have stalked and trying to do it ever so delicately in complete silence. Because there is marked mechanical stage after the bolt is partially closed, before it is locked by the bolt handle rotating forward the last half inch, some new Blaser users have failed to actually close the bolt fully. The action is not in battery, therefore the safety block stops the firing pin.​

The infamous "Blaser click" likely annoys reloaders, and probably cost a few R8 novices an easy shot after a successful stalk, but it is the result of operator error and - most importantly - it mechanically cannot result in a detonation out of battery on the R8.


The big difference with the R93 is that the locking mechanism was different in three significant ways:
  1. There was no sleeve pushing the collet outward. The collet itself (red) was pushed forward by the rotation of the bolt handle and slid upward on the ~50⁰ ramp of the bolt.
  2. The locking surface of the collet, and the locking surface of the barrel were also slanted at ~50⁰ which made both locking AND UNLOCKING easier.
  3. The firing pin was slightly indenting the primer of the cartridge when the trigger was depressed while the action was not locked.
View attachment 601883

While I have no direct personal knowledge of any of the accidents, it is factual that some R93 fired out of battery, and it seems factual based on the various reports that the R93 accidents were caused by the use of reloaded ammunition.


I am speculating that it was possible with the R93 to get to the exactly wrong combination of events:

i) to push the bolt forward enough on an oversized case so that the collet could partially slide in the barrel locking recess along the ~50⁰ ramp;​
ii) that a primer not deeply seated could be indented deeply enough by the firing pin to detonate;​
iii) that the absence of the steel sleeve under the collet could allow the collet to flex under the pressure of the out of battery firing, slid back on the ~50⁰ ramp, and disengage from the partial lock.​


It is my personal analysis that the addition of the steel sleeve under the collet, and the near ~90⁰ locking edge of the collet make the R8 as different from the R93 as a Mauser (18)98 is from a Mauser 1871, in as much as they prevent a partial lock. The collet is either expended outward in the barrel recess and cannot flex back inward due to the presence of the sleeve, or it is not. There is no in between.


I hope this was of interest.


That is very informative. Thanks for taking the time to post.
 
Having Blaser’s for more then 20 years now. Started with five R93’s and changed these when the R8 came in the market.
Six stocks left; only one with beautiful walnut (I almost don’t use it) four professional Success and a GRS laminated stock. Five barrels 243/30-06/8x68s/9.3x62/416rem.mag.; I’ve fired thousend’s of shots in al kind of weather and all over the world and never had a problem.
 
One Day... Thank you for that very informative and in depth explanation. I will henceforth be full length resizing my ammunition.
 
I am not the owner of the R8. Once I could have become the owner of R93, but after reviewing it, I refused, and even participated in Internet battles as a critic of this system.
So, having familiarized myself with R8 now, I can say that it has fixed all or almost all the "jambs", and this system is practically devoid of flaws. Except for one thing: structurally, thanks to the revolutionary design, this rifle can be cheaper to produce than any bolt: instead, it is quite expensive.
Just as an example: there used to be difficulties with discharging, but according to our rules, when moving from one hunting place to another, the weapon must be discharged. The mag is being taken out now. Other potential problems were related to possible incorrect reloading and excessive pressure: the R8 is now enhanced in this regard.
It seems that the designers read those heated discussions twenty years ago and consistently eliminated the noted shortcomings.
I'm not going to buy this rifle now - it's too late to change my arm handling skills - but if it had been 20 years ago, I probably would have bought it.
 
Hi Gentlemen! I am new here. Just joined the forum. Want to ask the worthy members that I have bought a Blaser R8 in 6.5 PRC.three days ago Its bolt doesn't close 3 out of 5 times and the remaining 2 times it doesn't close fully once dry fired without even a cartridge case. I have not fired it at all as I am in the assembling process of rifle and I encountered this issue. It's my first time with blaser and a what dissappointment it has turned out to be so far. I am also facing problems in tightening the Blaser mo0unts which accompanied the rifle. They are loose. Would appreciate the help from seasoned Blaser owners
Regards
 
@HWL had a R93 in 45BLASER a few years ago with two barrels, one with iron sights and the other shortened, threaded & suppressed. I've not seen an R8 chambered in that cartridge.
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R8 has never been chambered in 45 Blaser. 45 Blaser is unfortunatly dead as a Dodo.

I owned a R93 in 45 Blaser in the in the 2000's. I never fired a round out of it. We worked out the brass issue, as I found 500 rounds of once fired on Egun, bought dies and more new brass from Triebel. I was overseas with the military when my father sold all my R93's when the "face smash" event happened. They went to Heritage Arms in Salt Lake.
 
Hi Gentlemen! I am new here. Just joined the forum. Want to ask the worthy members that I have bought a Blaser R8 in 6.5 PRC.three days ago Its bolt doesn't close 3 out of 5 times and the remaining 2 times it doesn't close fully once dry fired without even a cartridge case. I have not fired it at all as I am in the assembling process of rifle and I encountered this issue. It's my first time with blaser and a what dissappointment it has turned out to be so far. I am also facing problems in tightening the Blaser mo0unts which accompanied the rifle. They are loose. Would appreciate the help from seasoned Blaser owners
Regards
I do not understand what you are writing about in the first question. I assume operator error.

The second question is also operator error. You need a very thin bladed Blaser screwdriver to tighten down the rings to the barrel.
 
I do not understand what you are writing about in the first question. I assume operator error.

The second question is also operator error. You need a very thin bladed Blaser screwdriver to tighten down the rings to the barrel.
I have assembled it exactly as per the instructions and moreover it does not behave this way with second barrel i.e .223 rem. so if its operator error it should behave the same way with second barrel because operator isn same. its perfectly smooth with .223
 
I have assembled it exactly as per the instructions and moreover it does not behave this way with second barrel i.e .223 rem. so if its operator error it should behave the same way with second barrel because operator isn same. its perfectly smooth with .223
I haven’t read this whole exchange, and I do not own a 6.5 PRC for my R8’s, but are you certain you using both the correct bolt head and magazine insert? I believe the .223 uses the MI and the 6.5 PRC uses the MA. Neither will work with the wrong bolt head.
 
I haven’t read this whole exchange, and I do not own a 6.5 PRC for my R8’s, but are you certain you using both the correct bolt head and magazine insert? I believe the .223 uses the MI and the 6.5 PRC uses the MA. Neither will work with the wrong bolt head.
I have assembled it exactly as per the instructions and moreover it does not behave this way with second barrel i.e .223 rem. so if its operator error it should behave the same way with second barrel because operator isn same. its perfectly smooth with .223
6.5 PRC requires the MA bolt head not standard. My bet is you are using the standard bolt head. I know because that has happened to me.

It’s in small print in one of the addendums to the Blaser bolt chart that 6.5 PRC requires magnum bolt head, even though it’s listed in the standard section.
 
My two are too reliable, too easy to use, require no fiddling. So they’ve eliminated my need for more rifles. Its their biggest fault.
 

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