roverandbrew
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Factory Federal Premium Safari 300 Grain Swift-A Frames. Pretty much everything up to and including Buffalo.
Just to verify…Barnes 300 grain TSX on this beauty of a Lioness. Nice shooting doesn’t hurt either.Here ya go.
My Lioness was probably about 90-95 yds out sitting down almost quartering towards me. Shot her right at the edge of the shoulder, and the bullet excited on the opposite side about halfway between the ribs. She jumped and did a summersault and ran maybe 15 ft and dropped dead. I looked at her organs, and her heart and lungs were severely damaged by the bullet path. I asked Hans from De Klerk Safaris if this was a good bullet to use, and he gave me the green light. I wanted to use Nosler Partitions, but they wouldn't shoot good in my rifle.
If you look closely, you can see the entry wound, the exit was no bigger than a Penny. These bullets performed as expected, and my rifle loved them.
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tsx 350gr?Balas de 340gr expansivas y macizas....de todo....
340gr Rhino solid and softtsx 350gr?
@PARA45 obviously it worked for you. Have read many people say TSX are not the best to use on cats. The claim is they are to hard and don't open up.
Do you have any details that you can share about your cat?
Here ya go.
My Lioness was probably about 90-95 yds out sitting down almost quartering towards me. Shot her right at the edge of the shoulder, and the bullet excited on the opposite side about halfway between the ribs. She jumped and did a summersault and ran maybe 15 ft and dropped dead. I looked at her organs, and her heart and lungs were severely damaged by the bullet path. I asked Hans from De Klerk Safaris if this was a good bullet to use, and he gave me the green light. I wanted to use Nosler Partitions, but they wouldn't shoot good in my rifle.
If you look closely, you can see the entry wound, the exit was no bigger than a Penny. These bullets performed as expected, and my rifle loved them.
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To me this sounds like a perfect example of a bullet not working as it should, but perfect shooting made up for it, as @BeeMaa pointed out. Seems like it is exactly what @Inline6 had been hearing. Had the same experience with my son shooting a black bear at 200yds with a barnes tsx in .308- tiny hole in, tiny hole out, never expanded a bit and got lucky that he managed to heart shoot it at that distance. Not a drop of blood, took the closest game trail in the direction the bear headed and found it 40 yards in. Now I have heard many people say they recover Barnes fully expanded, so I wonder if it might have something to do with different lots of copper they receive being harder than others? In the end it all ultimately comes down to shot placement- if you put it where it needs to be and the bullet is strong enough to penetrate, it will kill regardless of whether or not it expands , though it might not be as quick as you would like in some cases!Just to verify…Barnes 300 grain TSX on this beauty of a Lioness. Nice shooting doesn’t hurt either.
I went with AZDAVE on his load of IMR4350 and got within one inch MOA75gr IMR4350, 300gr Aframes and 73 gr IMR 4350 CEB 300gr solids. Same POI.
Black bears are the Whitetail of the bear family. They are just not as hard to take down. I used a Barnes LRX in a 6.5CM, he was 50 yards away. Was going to us Berger bullets, had read enough reports about their fur soaking up blood making it hard to track. I decided to go with them. I wanted hoke in and out. I wish I had taken the Berger bullets. Recovered the bear fast less than 50 yards. I just thing the Bergers would have done a better job. The LRX did what I asked of it, hit the mark and punched out. Was able to pick up the blood trail and find him in short order.To me this sounds like a perfect example of a bullet not working as it should, but perfect shooting made up for it, as @BeeMaa pointed out. Seems like it is exactly what @Inline6 had been hearing. Had the same experience with my son shooting a black bear at 200yds with a barnes tsx in .308- tiny hole in, tiny hole out, never expanded a bit and got lucky that he managed to heart shoot it at that distance. Not a drop of blood, took the closest game trail in the direction the bear headed and found it 40 yards in. Now I have heard many people say they recover Barnes fully expanded, so I wonder if it might have something to do with different lots of copper they receive being harder than others? In the end it all ultimately comes down to shot placement- if you put it where it needs to be and the bullet is strong enough to penetrate, it will kill regardless of whether or not it expands , though it might not be as quick as you would like in some cases!
I should have mentioned it went throught the far leg bone as well and the exit after that was the same size as the entrance. Plus I have a 12ga brenneke slug with the whole face sheered off on a black bear that would suggest otherwise. To be fair I did intentionally shoot it in the shoulder, however, being the easiest bear to kill does not mean they are "low mass" animal. Besides, any bullet that opens up on a whitetail is definitely going to open up on a bear of any kind.Black bears are the Whitetail of the bear family. They are just not as hard to take down. I used a Barnes LRX in a 6.5CM, he was 50 yards away. Was going to us Berger bullets, had read enough reports about their fur soaking up blood making it hard to track. I decided to go with them. I wanted hoke in and out. I wish I had taken the Berger bullets. Recovered the bear fast less than 50 yards. I just thing the Bergers would have done a better job. The LRX did what I asked of it, hit the mark and punched out. Was able to pick up the blood trail and find him in short order.
Even if your son used an AFrame, the same thing would have happened. Not enough mass to make the bullet open up.
That does not surprise me, the bullet will not necessarily open just because it hits bone. Actually the bullet could have opened up and that is the size it was.I should have mentioned it went throught the far leg bone as well and the exit after that was the same size as the entrance. Plus I have a 12ga brenneke slug with the whole face sheered off on a black bear that would suggest otherwise. To be fair I did intentionally shoot it in the shoulder, however, being the easiest bear to kill does not mean they are "low mass" animal. Besides, any bullet that opens up on a whitetail is definitely going to open up on a bear of any kind.