What do you think of Tiger and Jaguar being hunted in South Africa?

[Diamondhitch]

I believe that each one of us has to decide what constitutes hunting for ourselves.and whatever each individual decides I would pass no judgement however for me it seems to hunt an animal that is out of his element takes a lot away from experiencing the true spirit so to speak of that animal
from a conservation point of view I have two questions that I don't know the answer to I am wondering if there is anyone that can shed some light on these questions

1 do these cats have the ability to adapt breed and thrive in the habitat into which they are being released.

2. are any of the funds generated by the hunting of these cats earmarked for the preservation of their natural habitat and the protection of the species.

as I have said before as long as it is legal to hunt them where they are being hunted I have no problem with that what it is just not a hunt that would appeal to me

This hunting is not appealing to me either but I also do not judge those who do.

Here is some food for thought, I keep reading posts that hunting them out of their natural habitat is a huge turnoff. Do those of you who feel that way also feel the same when hunting Nyala in the EC or Black Wildebeest in Limpopo or Lechwe in KZN or any of the vast array of plains game that we all hunt in SA, so much of this game is far from its natural habitat? It not be as far from home as Tiger or Jaguar but it still doesn't really belong.

 

[Diamondhitch]

maybe those cats swam over to get there, roamed around, then found a way to climb over the electrified fence surrounding those 30 acres they were hunted on?

In past threads we have found that all but a VERY small handful of people have a huge problem with hunting anything on 30 acres of catch and release land. I do not believe that is what is being argued here at all.

 

[Diamondhitch]

This hunting is not appealing to me either but I also do not judge those who do.

Here is some food for thought, I keep reading posts that hunting them out of their natural habitat is a huge turnoff. Do those of you who feel that way also feel the same when hunting Nyala in the EC or Black Wildebeest in Limpopo or Lechwe in KZN or any of the vast array of plains game that we all hunt in SA, so much of this game is far from its natural habitat? It not be as far from home as Tiger or Jaguar but it still doesn't really belong.

To this list I should add free range Aoudad in Texas or Gemsbok in New Mexico or Feral hogs anywhere in the US for that matter?

 

[Bobpuckett]

In past threads we have found that all but a VERY small handful of people have a huge problem with hunting anything on 30 acres of catch and release land. I do not believe that is what is being argued here at all.

Good point Diamondhitch I don't know of anyone that I ever hunted with that would hunt that kind of canned hunt. But let me tell a little story, as everyone knows that have read my offers at Huntershill Safaris they do have Tigers and yes they are in a 40 acre fenced area but they are for photo taking only believe it or not there are some people that have never seen a live tiger just ones on TV, but back to the story in 2010 while Deb and I were hunting at HHS they had a power outage it was only for a couple of minute but in that couple of minutes and I don't know how but the big male tiger figured out that the fence was not electrafied and cleared a 10ft fence now the problem changed the tiger was no longer in a secured area but roaming free in a 55,000 fenced farm so things changed and if he showed he better be in a good mood or I had a 300WM for a attitude adjuster, as it turned out Gerald Harvey came driving up to the area in the truck they use to feed the Tigers and the Tiger came out of the brush jumped in to the back of the truck and rode right back in to the pin. now I know thats not hunting Tiger but I sure would have shot one in South Africa.

 

[Trap123]

This hunting is not appealing to me either but I also do not judge those who do.

Here is some food for thought, I keep reading posts that hunting them out of their natural habitat is a huge turnoff. Do those of you who feel that way also feel the same when hunting Nyala in the EC or Black Wildebeest in Limpopo or Lechwe in KZN or any of the vast array of plains game that we all hunt in SA, so much of this game is far from its natural habitat? It not be as far from home as Tiger or Jaguar but it still doesn't really belong.

I have to begin by saying I have absolutely no experience hunting in Africa or with African game(I just booked my first trip to Namibia for April of 2015)

in regards to the tiger and Jaguar to my knowledge there instincts have evolved over centuries to live, hunt and evade danger in a jungle setting.judging from the pictures on the link that jerome posted terrain appears to be dry and fairly open.I would have to believe hunting those two cats in that particular setting you would not be getting the best hunting experience that those animals have to offer of course I could be wrong.
for me it is very important to hunt on animal on its own turf
that doesn't mean I necessarily have to hunt from where the species originated but it does mean to me that I have to hunt them in the cover and terrain in which they are most suited to escape me
if any of my assumptions are off base please don't hesitate to correct me As I am primarily on this forum to be educated....... and have a little fun

 

[enysse]

I don't mind hunting red lechwe in the East Cape, it's affordable for one! As long as you are enjoying your hunt and the animals are NOT wrecking "the natural flora and fauna", I'm for it.

I would love to hunt ibex in New Mexico...along with barbary sheep and oryx!

I have hunted black bear over bait, it's a boring hunt for sure, but most places you are not going to spot and stalk black....ain't gonna happen...and the only way it would happen is if they were severely overpopulated and searching for food because they are hungry.

 

[sestoppelman]

To me the big difference is what continent the animal is from. Ideally the same country but really what is a country when it comes to animals? A line drawn on a map. Do animals care about that line? So an African animal hunted in Africa regardless its "country" seems more natural than a tiger or Jaguar hunted in Africa because because it isn't indigenous to that continent.

 

[enysse]

You will never and "I DO MEAN THE WORD NEVER", be able to hunt tigers in their natural habit again....we are all dreaming. There is a huntable jaguar population but politics and "greenies" will probably keep the hunt closed...don't even plan a arguement for hunting because most people are brainwashed and watch too much animal planet.

I could see people hunting both in an enclosure of some sorts...wouldn't be for me....but hey if they got the money, who am I to stop them.

 

[Trap123]

You will never and "I DO MEAN THE WORD NEVER", be able to hunt tigers in their natural habit again....we are all dreaming. There is a huntable jaguar population but politics and "greenies" will probably keep the hunt closed...don't even plan a arguement for hunting because most people are brainwashed and watch too much animal planet.

I could see people hunting both in an enclosure of some sorts...wouldn't be for me....but hey if they got the money, who am I to stop them.

it would seem they might be well suited to the Congo I'll bet that would be exciting to hunt them there
of course if you could it would probably be way out of my price range but it's fun to dream

 

[sestoppelman]

You will never and "I DO MEAN THE WORD NEVER", be able to hunt tigers in their natural habit again....we are all dreaming. There is a huntable jaguar population but politics and "greenies" will probably keep the hunt closed...don't even plan a arguement for hunting because most people are brainwashed and watch too much animal planet.

I could see people hunting both in an enclosure of some sorts...wouldn't be for me....but hey if they got the money, who am I to stop them.

I for one have no interest in ever hunting a tiger, anywhere.

 

[enysse]

I for one have no interest in ever hunting a tiger, anywhere.

I would rather go bongo or Lord Eland Derby hunting anyday :daydreaming:.

 

[sestoppelman]

My dream hunt Eric!

 

[bluey]

I would rather go bongo or Lord Eland Derby hunting anyday :daydreaming:.

My dream hunt Eric!

couple of weeks ago when l was down at south pacific taxidermy
there was a lord derby eland and a full mount bongo there and l told gary peg the owner that I was going to that dream hunt oneday .
he just laughed and asked if l was going to sell the boat to finance it

 

[enysse]

It's possible bluey...damn if I give up that dream bury me now.

 

[sestoppelman]

couple of weeks ago when l was down at south pacific taxidermy
there was a lord derby eland and a full mount bongo there and l told gary peg the owner that I was going to that dream hunt oneday .
he just laughed and asked if l was going to sell the boat to finance it

I could sell my boat but it would only pay for the airfare and a bit more! May as well keep the boat.

 

[bluey]

im unfortunately in the same boat (so to say )ses
it will be 5 or 6 years (more like 8 )before I can live on land full time

 

[Wheels]

Good point Diamondhitch I don't know of anyone that I ever hunted with that would hunt that kind of canned hunt. But let me tell a little story, as everyone knows that have read my offers at Huntershill Safaris they do have Tigers and yes they are in a 40 acre fenced area but they are for photo taking only believe it or not there are some people that have never seen a live tiger just ones on TV, but back to the story in 2010 while Deb and I were hunting at HHS they had a power outage it was only for a couple of minute but in that couple of minutes and I don't know how but the big male tiger figured out that the fence was not electrafied and cleared a 10ft fence now the problem changed the tiger was no longer in a secured area but roaming free in a 55,000 fenced farm so things changed and if he showed he better be in a good mood or I had a 300WM for a attitude adjuster, as it turned out Gerald Harvey came driving up to the area in the truck they use to feed the Tigers and the Tiger came out of the brush jumped in to the back of the truck and rode right back in to the pin. now I know thats not hunting Tiger but I sure would have shot one in South Africa.

Bob, interesting story. It would have been real interesting if you had to shoot a tiger.

I walked into a guys home 20-30 years ago and he had a tiger skin rug. I asked him to tell me how he shot it expecting a great story. He said the tiger lived at the local zoo and had died. He told the zoo he would dispose of the body for the skin and they let him have it. Very anticlimactic story.

 

[bluey]

Bob, interesting story. It would have been real interesting if you had to shoot a tiger.

I walked into a guys home 20-30 years ago and he had a tiger skin rug. I asked him to tell me how he shot it expecting a great story. He said the tiger lived at the local zoo and had died. He told the zoo he would dispose of the body for the skin and they let him have it. Very anticlimactic story.

not exactly the tale you would've expected for sure wheels,
but a great floor skin and the skull must of looked spectacular none the less

 

[Nyati]

That hunt is not for me, those animals are completely out of their natural habitat, and yes, it smells of "put and take".

The only outfitter I know of in SA who offers tiger is a well known "meat factory".

 

[Savage Hunter]

In past threads we have found that all but a VERY small handful of people have a huge problem with hunting anything on 30 acres of catch and release land. I do not believe that is what is being argued here at all.

it was just a joke. not a judgement. whatever floats there boat.

My wife and I plan to go back to hunt. my 2nd, her first trip.
She has has list of 4 african animals she wants to hunt.
But, she has wanted an Indian blackbuck since the first time she saw a picture of one and she also wants a fallow buck.
Fallows run over $2k in the US and blackbucks about or almost $2k.
If After getting all our african animals there is time left, We'd definitely look at getting her one of those as she loves the look of the blackbuck.
Neither are indigenous, but if she wants one, and can hunt one for not too much money, we'll do it.