What can be done

I don't know the answer. The craziness and evil in this country just keeps getting worse.

The thought of these children being prepared for their funeral, saddens me, at a level that words cannot describe.
 
This doesn't occur on any sort of regular basis in any other country; and if it does, they make sure it never happens again.

The guns and the gun culture in this country are the problem, period. The sunsetting of the assault weapon ban 20 years ago directly has led to this. So many gun owners have been radicalized. The 2nd amendment has been so twisted around the past 30 years and exists today to give political cover to insurrectionists who can not accept the outcomes of free and fair elections.

Nothing was done the 1st time 20 kids were mowed down and nothing will happen this time...or the next time. 5% of the population are holding the other 95% hostage.

F the 2nd Amendment
F the NRA
F assault weapons
F the manufacturers who make and market them
F those who want to protect embryos and not school childen

I am not debating this and I certainly don't give a damn what anyone else thinks of this post.

Thoughts and prayers
 
Most of these shooters are known to law enforcement or have had mental health issues in the past. Until mental health can be integrated into the background check process we are going to be somewhat reactive to the situation.

I do think that teachers should be allowed to Conceal carry with additional training, and that there needs to be police officers at schools. This is a deterent but still reactive.

@RUGER77 your tone on this thread has been a bit mocking of the situation. There are a lot of people who are hurting and regardless of politics, there is a time to show compassion and grace. Maybe I misinterpreted your comments but they seem inappropriate.
 
@curtism1234 if you think the gun grabbers are going to stop at AR15s then you're sorely mistaken. They take everything you've got. Again, it's the fault of the anti-gun lobby that passed the "gun free school zone" act of 1990 that created these school shootings.
 
This doesn't occur on any sort of regular basis in any other country; and if it does, they make sure it never happens again.

The guns and the gun culture in this country are the problem, period. The sunsetting of the assault weapon ban 20 years ago directly has led to this. So many gun owners have been radicalized. The 2nd amendment has been so twisted around the past 30 years and exists today to give political cover to insurrectionists who can not accept the outcomes of free and fair elections.

Nothing was done the 1st time 20 kids were mowed down and nothing will happen this time...or the next time. 5% of the population are holding the other 95% hostage.

F the 2nd Amendment
F the NRA
F assault weapons
F the manufacturers who make and market them
F those who want to protect embryos and not school childen

I am not debating this and I certainly don't give a damn what anyone else thinks of this post.

Thoughts and prayers

Most other countries have mental healthcare systems. The USA does not. Our mentally I’ll get pawned off on our schools, hospitals, and prisons.

For example, there had been over 39 911 calls to the parkland shooters home; however, because there is no system for mental health treatment, nothing was ever done. Now he is in prison.
 
I read through several and skimmed over the rest and it's pretty much the same theme: mental health, education, gun control controversy, comparing back then to here and now, etc., etc.

The problem is not only all these same themes, but the two biggest problems we (the U.S.) has regarding this problem:

1. Mainstream Media! Constantly treating these dirt bags as infamous heroes. MSM gives these dirt bags way more attention than the 15 seconds they give to those doing something good helping their community. Not just these mass murderers, but every type of criminal seems to be MSM's hero.

When these POS scumbags no longer receive their fame it would go a long ways to stemming this type of crap.

2. Our (again the US) justice system is a very horrible joke when it comes to delivering equal and appropriate punishment for violent crimes, and repeat offenders of "petty crimes" [only petty crimes because law enforcement, lawyers, judges and politicians are not the victim(s). When they become a criminal's victim only then does the "petty crime" become more important requiring a much more harsher penalty.]

Bring back chain gangs, make prisons prisons a place nobody wants to call home; instead of these resorts jails, prisons, and "club feds". Reinstate the death penalty and start executing repeat/non reformed criminals, murderers, embezzlers, scammers, corrupt politicians, all drug related criminals from drug users to the growers/manufacturers of "killer" drugs to include "big pharma" executives (especially those knowingly and willfully selling/trading/dispensing and shipping out dated/expired drugs to foreign countries) crime would drop immensely and immediately.

There is a third solution to reducing crime and violence...start making parents (of minors) fully accountable/responsible for their child's/children's criminal behavior. Sentence the adult parent(s)/legal guardian(s) as if the parent(s)/legal guardian(s) committed the crime. IMO this would definitely have a major impact on crime because law bidding parent(s)/legal guardian (s) will take a more proactive interest in their child/children to avoid going to jail/prison or facing execution themselves for their offspring ('s)(s") criminal behavior.

I'll end my rant here. It just burns me up how parents pacify their child or children with "toys" (i.e. toys, TVs, computer games, etc) rather than spend quality time with their child or children until the underage daughter becomes pregnant or the child wants to become a full participant member of the alphabet organization and even then some parents still don't care about child.
 
This doesn't occur on any sort of regular basis in any other country; and if it does, they make sure it never happens again.

The guns and the gun culture in this country are the problem, period. The sunsetting of the assault weapon ban 20 years ago directly has led to this. So many gun owners have been radicalized. The 2nd amendment has been so twisted around the past 30 years and exists today to give political cover to insurrectionists who can not accept the outcomes of free and fair elections.

Nothing was done the 1st time 20 kids were mowed down and nothing will happen this time...or the next time. 5% of the population are holding the other 95% hostage.

F the 2nd Amendment
F the NRA
F assault weapons
F the manufacturers who make and market them
F those who want to protect embryos and not school childen

I am not debating this and I certainly don't give a damn what anyone else thinks of this post.

Thoughts and prayers

You couldn’t be more wrong. Take away the guns and these idiots will find other ways to actualize their evil. Until we are willing to address the real problem we simply make political football out of a tool.

Ease of access to weapons and ammunition was easier growing up on a farm in Canada than it is in the US today. If guns are the problem, why didn’t our guns cause mass shootings?

Unfortunately, the woke left refuses to discuss the real problem because it is counter to their agenda. As a result, we have families in Texas reeling from an unspeakable loss. The loss of a child is a hurt that never goes away.
 
F the 2nd Amendment
F the NRA
F assault weapons
F the manufacturers who make and market them
F those who want to protect embryos and not school

So other than saying F it, what is your solution. What do you think gets it to stop?

5% of the population are holding the other 95% hostage.

How so?

The 2nd amendment has been so twisted around the past 30 years and exists today to give political cover to insurrectionists who can not accept the outcomes of free and fair elections.

So the 2nd amendment is why the capital riot happen where 3 people were arrested with a gun. Here is a quote from NPR fact checkers, "At least three people arrested in connection with the Capitol riot are facing gun charges, though the government has not alleged that those three were part of the actual breach of the building." Seems like a bit of a stretch of a connection.

Not expecting you to respond or debate, just pointing out you are taking some pretty extreme positions and might be better for you and maybe better in making your point if you calmed down a bit.
 
Due to the diversity of posts, it is indicative that there is no clear cut answer. Mental health and lack of morals and consequences for actions have a lot to do with it.
As a lot of us are in th 50+ category, we can remember going to church every Sunday, a parent being home when we got home from school, swats for misbehaving in school, swats for misbehaving at home (in fact we feared the discipline at home more than at school), respect for elders, settling differences with fists rather than bullets… The list goes on.
So many of these school shootings are committed by other or former students and a number had warning signs. Some of these kids were even questioned and released. This TX shooting and the Stoneman-Douglas come to mind.
Unfortunately, it isn’t just the school shootings. Dayton, Las Vegas, Orlando, Buffalo and others were also horrific tragedies. Several of these were racially motivated.
What gets me how the daily shootings in cities like Chicago go on without a mention. Or the massive number of people dying from Fentanyl, a lot of which is coming across the open southern border.
One thing that has been going on is the increase in number of people buying firearms, particularly, first time buyers. My interpretation / hope is that Americans are realizing that the Government isn’t going to protect them. They’ve seen the burning of leftist cities go unchecked. The smash and grab robberies of high end stores. Nothing being done except cashless bail and just a blind eye.
So much in this country has gone to S**T and IMO, media and social media are the biggest culprits.
 
You couldn’t be more wrong. Take away the guns and these idiots will find other ways to actualize their evil. Until we are willing to address the real problem we simply make political football out of a tool.

Ease of access to weapons and ammunition was easier growing up on a farm in Canada than it is in the US today. If guns are the problem, why didn’t our guns cause mass shootings?

Unfortunately, the woke left refuses to discuss the real problem because it is counter to their agenda. As a result, we have families in Texas reeling from an unspeakable loss. The loss of a child is a hurt that never goes away.
Wasting your breath trying to reason with the resident libtards emotionalism. His only answer is F that. Is anyone surprised by his post? Not me.
 
Unfortunately, yes.
Based on latest news: No dad. Mom is a drug addict. Grandfather an ex-con.
High School drop-out.

The Sheriff and Mayor both indicate a lack of mental health support as the biggest problem.

Lack of discipline at home and at school, catch and release laws (and judges), and the list goes on.

And according to my retired school teacher wife - it gets worse every year.
@curtism1234 if you think the gun grabbers are going to stop at AR15s then you're sorely mistaken. They take everything you've got. Again, it's the fault of the anti-gun lobby that passed the "gun free school zone" act of 1990 that created these school shootings.
I don’t think banning guns is the answer, they didn’t ban fertilizer after OK City, pressure cookers after Boston or aircraft or box cutters after 9/11. You can’t regulate hate or evil!!
 
We actually had hunter's ed as a unit in 8th grade social studies, circa 1978. We literally took field trips to the gun range and shot .22s and shotguns, the whole class.

We had a rifle range in our high school, in Canada!
 
This doesn't occur on any sort of regular basis in any other country; and if it does, they make sure it never happens again.

The guns and the gun culture in this country are the problem, period. The sunsetting of the assault weapon ban 20 years ago directly has led to this. So many gun owners have been radicalized. The 2nd amendment has been so twisted around the past 30 years and exists today to give political cover to insurrectionists who can not accept the outcomes of free and fair elections.

Nothing was done the 1st time 20 kids were mowed down and nothing will happen this time...or the next time. 5% of the population are holding the other 95% hostage.

F the 2nd Amendment
F the NRA
F assault weapons
F the manufacturers who make and market them
F those who want to protect embryos and not school childen

I am not debating this and I certainly don't give a damn what anyone else thinks of this post.

Thoughts and prayers
So other than saying F it, what is your solution. What do you think gets it to stop?



How so?



So the 2nd amendment is why the capital riot happen where 3 people were arrested with a gun. Here is a quote from NPR fact checkers, "At least three people arrested in connection with the Capitol riot are facing gun charges, though the government has not alleged that those three were part of the actual breach of the building." Seems like a bit of a stretch of a connection.

Not expecting you to respond or debate, just pointing out you are taking some pretty extreme positions and might be better for you and maybe better in making your point if you calmed down a bit.

@LivingTheDream - I think we have a couple trolls on our hands. Best not to feed them.
 

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