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Neat rack idea like your design
I understand your view my friend and we will have to agree to disagree.Speed kills... game or barrels?
In the absolute, I totally agree with Beema:
In fact, most experienced people would say that the mild .308, for example, retains match accuracy for ~5,000 rounds, and the hot .22o Swift, for example, retains varmint accuracy for ~1,000 rounds, with people who shoot them reasonably (i.e do not shoot rapid fire 10 rounds strings). Hunting accuracy lasts a little longer, likely, say ~7,000 rounds for the .308 and maybe ~1,500 rounds for the hot rods.
In the hunting context, what does this mean?
We are talking hunting here, right?, which I would define in most cases as 1 round, and occasionally 2 or 3 rounds in a row, right?, maybe half a dozen to a dozen times per year (who gets more tags than that annually these days, right?), not rapid sustained fire like in military applications, or possibly varmint shooting, every week, right?
So, in the hunting (key word: hunting) context, what does 1,000 rounds life mean?
Assuming you shoot in your hunting rifle in your country of residence, say 2 boxes of ammo per year, which is a whole lot more than most hunters do, a 1,000 rounds barrel life equates to ... 25 years.
Say you are going to Africa once every few years and burn 50 rounds there, maybe the life of your barrel drops to 20 years...
Allow me to horrify the fraternity here, but I really, truly could not possibly care less if my hunting (key word: hunting) rifles do not have a 5,000 rounds life (= 100 years @ 50 rounds/year). I am entirely happy with 20 years, hence the 1,000 rounds life of the .26 Nosler, for example, is just fine and dandy with me
To me, there is very little that is more precious in a hunting (again, key operating word: hunting) rifle - assuming decent hunting accuracy - than a 300 yards MPBR (Maximum Point Blank Range). We are talking PG rifles here, this obviously does not apply to DG rifles! What this means is that from 0 to 300 yards, I just put the cross hair on the center of the vital zone and I fire.
So, to me, the advantage of living with the short barrel life of 1,000 rounds is that I essentially have an almost 100 yards of additional MPBR. It is well worth considering a new barrel every 20 or 25 years
- The .270 Win launching a 130 gr bullet at 3,140 fps has a 300 yards MPBR. I like this.
- The .257 Wby launching a 100 gr bullet at 3,600 fps has a 340 yards MPBR. This makes hunting shots easier for another 40 additional yards.
- A modern 6.5x55 load sending a 140 gr bullet at 2,600 fps has a 260 yards MPBR. From 260 to 300 yards, or say around 350 yards, which is a reasonable maximum range for hunting (key operating word: hunting), you need "Kentucky windage" or clicking the scope turret, which you may or may not have the time, or more commonly the presence of mind, to do...
If one of Tra3's objectives is "Montana antelope", I tend to think longer shots, hence longer MPBR, which I why I was therefore thinking speed...
About 10-12 rounds a session per caliber 3-4 times a month.You are the rare bird BeeMaa, a lot of folks indeed shoot a fair amount to sight their rifles initially and get used to them in the beginning, then it is indeed an extremely rare guy who shoots 500 rounds of .375/.416 per year, but I do not doubt that you may be that guy, going to shoot 20 rounds of .375/.416 every other weekend, or if we exclude winter months, about every week in the shooting season. I admire the dedication![]()
... I now have a brace of R8’s with barrels in .375h&h, .300 win mag, 6.5 creedmoor and .22lr.
... I’d like to get a barrel I can use for Minnesota deer and MT antelope. I think the .300WM is too much for close range hunting in the woods.
What do you all suggest?
some input on what small/medium caliber to get for my R8.
I think the .300WM is too much for close range hunting in the woods.
So, what do I get?
What do you all suggest?
Speed kills... game or barrels?
In the absolute, I totally agree with Beema:
In fact, most experienced people would say that the mild .308, for example, retains match accuracy for ~5,000 rounds, and the hot .22o Swift, for example, retains varmint accuracy for ~1,000 rounds, with people who shoot them reasonably (i.e do not shoot rapid fire 10 rounds strings). Hunting accuracy lasts a little longer, likely, say ~7,000 rounds for the .308 and maybe ~1,500 rounds for the hot rods.
In the hunting context, what does this mean?
We are talking hunting here, right?, which I would define in most cases as 1 round, and occasionally 2 or 3 rounds in a row, right?, maybe half a dozen to a dozen times per year (who gets more tags than that annually these days, right?), not rapid sustained fire like in military applications, or possibly varmint shooting, every week, right?
So, in the hunting (key word: hunting) context, what does 1,000 rounds life mean?
Assuming you shoot in your hunting rifle in your country of residence, say 2 boxes of ammo per year, which is a whole lot more than most hunters do, a 1,000 rounds barrel life equates to ... 25 years.
Say you are going to Africa once every few years and burn 50 rounds there, maybe the life of your barrel drops to 20 years...
Allow me to horrify the fraternity here, but I really, truly could not possibly care less if my hunting (key word: hunting) rifles do not have a 5,000 rounds life (= 100 years @ 50 rounds/year). I am entirely happy with 20 years, hence the 1,000 rounds life of the .26 Nosler, for example, is just fine and dandy with me
To me, there is very little that is more precious in a hunting (again, key operating word: hunting) rifle - assuming decent hunting accuracy - than a 300 yards MPBR (Maximum Point Blank Range). We are talking PG rifles here, this obviously does not apply to DG rifles! What this means is that from 0 to 300 yards, I just put the cross hair on the center of the vital zone and I fire.
So, to me, the advantage of living with the short barrel life of 1,000 rounds is that I essentially have an almost 100 yards of additional MPBR. It is well worth considering a new barrel every 20 or 25 years
- The .270 Win launching a 130 gr bullet at 3,140 fps has a 300 yards MPBR. I like this.
- The .257 Wby launching a 100 gr bullet at 3,600 fps has a 340 yards MPBR. This makes hunting shots easier for another 40 additional yards.
- A modern 6.5x55 load sending a 140 gr bullet at 2,600 fps has a 260 yards MPBR. From 260 to 300 yards, or say around 350 yards, which is a reasonable maximum range for hunting (key operating word: hunting), you need "Kentucky windage" or clicking the scope turret, which you may or may not have the time, or more commonly the presence of mind, to do...
If one of Tra3's objectives is "Montana antelope", I tend to think longer shots, hence longer MPBR, which I why I was therefore thinking speed...
Yep, my own stable and training regimen are a little different....
So, I happily burn about 5,000 rounds of Thunderbolt per year at 150 yards off the sticks at a 6" steel plate, with a man-sized Winchester 52 with Zeiss glass, and I hardly shoot more than a few rounds from the hunting rifle I will be using on the upcoming hunt, to keep used to the feeling of recoil, whichever rifle I happen to chose for that hunt based on logical or emotional appeal at that moment. This seems to be working fine for me and muscle memory seems to transfer well from one bolt rifle to the next...
Maybe I am too old fashioned for this or the trees in the woods referred to are very far apart......
257 WM, 270 WM.....for close range work in the woods???? Maybe I have Corona cabin fever..... Lets keep it US, only 2 come to mind 30-06 and 308 WM in that order....
I’d like to get a barrel I can use for Minnesota deer and MT antelope.
...Sure, .30-06 and .308 can work, but a little reach and speed do not hurt...
And of course if your rifle can reach an antelope in Montana, it sure can connect with a deer in Minnesota, but the reverse is not always true![]()