Water buffalo caliber recommendation

[Foxi]

but his predecessor probably afforded much more than that

 

[Dr Ray]

This has nothing to do with the topic, but with so many of our Australian friends reading this thread, I thought I would post it here and in the politics thread.

This is so embarrassing. I sincerely apologize. He obviously can't remember your Prime Minister's name after looking up from his notes.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1438316739410997248

Yes his name is ScoMo
(Scott Morrison)

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

Agree with the N.S.W bit...those mountains make a hell of a difference to the rest of the state,
I've been in Orange for the last 16 years, grew up west of here but.
Sounds like we agree that some scotch/beer/rum around a fire is well overdue for us all

@425SCHADE.
The only reason they put the beer in the fridge in Orange in winter is to stop it freezing. My mums family is from all around that region, my cousin moved from there to Hervey Bay.
Bob

 

[M McDindi]

Wife and I did this for a week in 2018. Because we planned on doing several weeks of sightseeing we opted to just use the PH's rental rifles and ammo - a couple of 375 H&H's. Between the two of us, we knocked down 28 cull/meat animals. 60% or so were head shots the rest were shoulder shots. The wanted/preferred head shots to limit meat damage. The meat was collected to feed to the concession holders crocs on his croc farm near Darwin.

Only took the meat, no bones, and it was run thru a grinder at the farm. He said he wanted as many head shots as possible to avoid bullet fragments in the meat that would bugger up his grinder blades.

The guys in this video were just using 308 with mil-surplus ball ammo and killing thousands of head a month.

Lots of guys go there to just "tune up" for a Cape Buff hunt and test out their big bore thunder wonders.

 

[Sarg]

Never seen that before, thank you for posting, almost exactly like the outfit I worked for but we had mostly Land Cruisers for work & tow vehicles, had Winchester Model 70' in 338Win Mags & because it had to be head shots & 60+ rounds of 338Win with Winchester 300gr was a bit much in recoil & cost went to Heavy Varmint barreled 30/06 Sako with Ball ammo them Ruger M77 in 308 with ball ammo, later the Sako was rebarreled to 308, I thought crazy having a long action Sako in 308win, all of these calibers needed a special license/permit back then as any rifle caliber faster than the 44/40 - 45/70 was prohibited by law in the NT !

One of the reasons so many buffalo were shot with 45/70 hot loaded & 12ga shotguns with slugs or RB !

I only have a couple of photos from then, which breaks my heart now & one of our cartons I used to send some stuff home in, ill take a pic & post !

 

[Wishfulthinker580]

Wife and I did this for a week in 2018. Because we planned on doing several weeks of sightseeing we opted to just use the PH's rental rifles and ammo - a couple of 375 H&H's. Between the two of us, we knocked down 28 cull/meat animals. 60% or so were head shots the rest were shoulder shots. The wanted/preferred head shots to limit meat damage. The meat was collected to feed to the concession holders crocs on his croc farm near Darwin.

Only took the meat, no bones, and it was run thru a grinder at the farm. He said he wanted as many head shots as possible to avoid bullet fragments in the meat that would bugger up his grinder blades.

The guys in this video were just using 308 with mil-surplus ball ammo and killing thousands of head a month.

Lots of guys go there to just "tune up" for a Cape Buff hunt and test out their big bore thunder wonders.

I haven’t watched the whole thing but that is an incredibly interesting video. Thanks for sharing it

 

[Sarg]

Not much good as camera had problems & then melted on my dash not long after this , I think our trailers are better than his lol .

One of our cartons .

 

[freefall]

Did they sell it to McDonalds?

 

[Sarg]

Did they sell it to McDonalds?

Most likely as my joint was for consumption in Australia only, non export but other abattoirs not far from us had export quota which much higher code of compliance .

I remember now on casting my mind back a lot of stuff going on then that wouldn't have been kosher !

 

[Foxi]

Whar a footage .Thank you for sharing. The author shot- if I translated correctly- well over 30,000 buffs. They tumble like hares during a drive hunt. And that with the .Ruger 77- 308 full metal jacket (7:50) @ @ Sarg: In the speed can not be all head shots,or ?

 

[Sarg]

We had to try & brain shoot them all, for the meat works, & yes I think we shot around 40 a day but a few would be big chase as those bloody 144gr .308 would not track straight & I remember a horrible sight of a bull shot in the head twice or more running across the plain with at least one eye flopping about on its face, this sort of thing helps to make it sicking after a while, like second or third day !

Body shots & any animal stiff in the joints was condemned by the Government Meat inspector at that door way & at one stage we had a Pet food area these went to, we also took all the skins to a shed for stacking & salting, my job when I started, if you dropped one off the truck it could not be picked up & loaded onto the stack by one person .

 

[425SCHADE]

This has nothing to do with the topic, but with so many of our Australian friends reading this thread, I thought I would post it here and in the politics thread.

This is so embarrassing. I sincerely apologize. He obviously can't remember your Prime Minister's name after looking up from his notes.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1438316739410997248

Yep

 

[M McDindi]

I have a good natured running back and to with my friend in Namibia about Cape Buff vs. wild Water Buff. He's posit is that Cape Buff are more dangerous than Water Buff. My retort is both are just "cows" and that I grew up on a farm and was chased and put over more fences by "domestic" bulls and a few cows with caves.

All I know is, in the five actual full hunting days we did, we were "charged" three times - once by one wounded and twice by ones that were in the small herds with calves and came at us AFTER the first shots and were NOT wounded till we put them down. Also, two weeks before we got "there" a guide was killed by a Water Buff while just guiding a few "photo" tourists. Bull came out of the tall grass and hit him before he could react.

 

[Dr Ray]

@CBH Australia
Chris it will only cost you $3,500 plus $750 trophy fee for a scrubber as opposed to $7,000+ for a,water buff mate. The scrubbers are mean bastards to go with it.
Bob

And I reckon scrub bulls are nastier!!

 

[Dr Ray]

Speaking of scrub bulls: a young man used a 22 hornet and shot a scrub bull. The 40 grain Bullet bounced off the head of the bull and::: luckily for the shooter the scrub bull ran away.
Plain stupid I must say!!

 

[Sarg]

@Dr Ray Banteng are the most likely to charge in my experience, Red Bulls of old & Scrub Bulls are close but just a lot more of them so more to behave badly by numbers, same as bad out comes from Cape Buffalo a lot more of them are hunted & close to people .

I haven't hunted the Forest Buff, Dwarf Buff or Red Buff (next year I hope) but I'm told even more dangerous but again I think could be these are encountered at close range with poor visibility ?

On the Hornet & Scrub Bull, no not that smart but I doubt it bounced of per say but it would of fragmented & not penetrated, being a 40gr varmint bullet if is was of US make the Euro stuff can be a lot harder as I think they shoot Roe Deer with them or as least the Deer I have shot the RWS & Norma killed them with body shots & Winchester/Rem had to be in the brain !

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

@Dr Ray Banteng are the most likely to charge in my experience, Red Bulls of old & Scrub Bulls are close but just a lot more of them so more to behave badly by numbers, same as bad out comes from Cape Buffalo a lot more of them are hunted & close to people .

I haven't hunted the Forest Buff, Dwarf Buff or Red Buff (next year I hope) but I'm told even more dangerous but again I think could be these are encountered at close range with poor visibility ?

On the Hornet & Scrub Bull, no not that smart but I doubt it bounced of per say but it would of fragmented & not penetrated, being a 40gr varmint bullet if is was of US make the Euro stuff can be a lot harder as I think they shoot Roe Deer with them or as least the Deer I have shot the RWS & Norma killed them with body shots & Winchester/Rem had to be in the brain !

@Sarg
A mates wife in the tablelands got a big fallow stag with the Hornet and a 35 gn VMax. Right behind the ear 1 and done. It was the rifle she had at the time and is a great shot.
Bob

 

[Sarg]

@Bob Nelson 35Whelen, I'm sure she did, I shot one of my largest Fallow Bucks up to that stage with a .22LR just behind the eye at 70yds, it dropped him, I ran over & as put my leg over him he jumped up & I finished him off with my knife after a short ride, when I cleaned the skull up the spent bullet fell out of the muscles on the side of his head & had only just cracked the brain pan .

Shot my biggest Axis buck with a .22Magnum as well, but that is a proper bullet compare to the LR !

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

I will look forward to that - ok maybe not the vegemite. And what the devil is Bundy?

But if there is beer in the evening and coffee in the morning, I am on board.

I’ll leave the .35 to Bob.

@Red Leg
You would be more than welcome at my camp fire.
Coffee is mandatory in the morning, goes without saying
Someone asked me what I would do if I didn't have a coffee in the morning.
I told them easy I would be doing 10 to life.
Bob

 

[CBH Australia]

And I reckon scrub bulls are nastier!!

Like,
I guess I grew up reading passed down magazines. Col Allison, Nick Harvey.
There is something about dangerous game, big calibres that appeals or fascinate s me.
Maybe I did not know about Scrub Bull so much.
Buffalo might be more likely to have been pictured.
I think I would be happy hunting any of the Big Bovines in Australia.
It's always been a dream but no use making plans at present anyway