Video of giraffe harvested with 6mm

[Wishfulthinker580]

The expletives really add to the quality of the video overall . Pure class…

 

[CBH Australia]

The expletives really add to the quality of the video overall . Pure class…

To sum it up we change one letter to get “Crass”

 

[Daisy]

@Daisy
If'n the data is out there why aren't you practicing what you preach. You have these lovely big cartridges that are more suitable for game so why oh why try and push this stuff on us
If'n y'all want to walk the walk and talk the talk sell all your big toys and just shoot sub optimal cartridges.
When the SHTF don't complain to me as all you will get from me is it told you so.
I will be a silly old fart and use enough gun for what I hunt in ALL conditions with out dated old fashioned bullets like cup and core or bonded.
Bob

I haven’t pushed it. That is not me or my video.

I think we should be able to discuss it without a visceral response.

 

[Daisy]

Why a 416? THe 6,5 will kill it...

It’s not legal. And I’ve said a million times that I think energy does matter with dangerous game

 

[Daisy]

@Daisy
If'n the data is out there why aren't you practicing what you preach. You have these lovely big cartridges that are more suitable for game so why oh why try and push this stuff on us
If'n y'all want to walk the walk and talk the talk sell all your big toys and just shoot sub optimal cartridges.
When the SHTF don't complain to me as all you will get from me is it told you so.
I will be a silly old fart and use enough gun for what I hunt in ALL conditions with out dated old fashioned bullets like cup and core or bonded.
Bob

I’m in the middle on this issue. I also like large caliber rifles and shoot them pretty well.

I also use 6.5prc for most hunting these days. So small caliber guys say I’m stupid. And large caliber guys say I’m stupid. Ha. I kind of like to be in the middle.

 

[Daisy]

More posted this to show what’s the prevailing wisdom on other boards and hunting regions these days. It’s interesting to think about and discuss.

My plan has been to use my 338 Lapua for non dangerous game on my 2025 Africa trip. I am rethinking to my 6.5prc but haven’t decided. I will 100 percent be using my 416 Ruger on my Buffalo! But it will be supressed so I’ll catch heck for that here. Haha

 

[rnovi]

I won’t click that link. I won’t give you one YouTube content penny for a stunt hunt.

Just because one can, does not mean one should.

 

[deewayne2003]

It’s not legal. And I’ve said a million times that I think energy does matter with dangerous game

Well as IvW stated I don’t think 6mm is legal for Giraffe but you posted a video of it?

 

[Rocked and Loaded]

Can you show me where 6mm is illegal on giraffe in South Africa. Serious question.

I’m having trouble finding an official governmental source but I’ve seen two outfitter websites that mention legal minimums of either .375 caliber or firing a bullet of at least 250 grains. I’m not sure which if either is correct. As I said, these are outfitters claiming these numbers as the legal minimum rather than official governmental sources.

 

[Wishfulthinker580]

For the sake of accuracy (I don’t agree with it)

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[gbflyer]

The expletives really add to the quality of the video overall . Pure class…

Agree.

 

[WAB]

I haven’t pushed it. That is not me or my video.

I think we should be able to discuss it without a visceral response.

I disagree. I don’t think it is helpful to hunting and hunters to post videos of unethical behavior.

 

[Green Chile]

I didn't finish the video and don't recommend watching it at all. It's click bait. If we quit talking about it, this goes away in a day or so. Let's move on to better topics. This is my last reply here.

 

[375Fox]

Can you show me where 6mm is illegal on giraffe in South Africa. Serious question.

I found two sources. One from PHASA specifically for eastern cape. The other for Namibia. However, the legal minimum is only going to be enforced on dangerous game in the event something goes wrong after the fact. It’s really up to the PH to ensure a correct caliber choice.

 

[375Fox]

More posted this to show what’s the prevailing wisdom on other boards and hunting regions these days. It’s interesting to think about and discuss.

It really not prevailing wisdom. It’s reinventing the wheel for target shooters. A 115 gr 6mm bullet at 3250 fps is very similar to a 240 or 257 Weatherby. Roy Weatherby did the same stunts in the 1950s.

 

[thriller]

The shooter and his co hunters have harvested more large game animals than most if not all on this board. 100s of elk, mule deer, black bear, brown bear, sheep, goats, etc.

Africa is not some magical place where animals don’t die. It is proven, yes I say proven, that elk, bear, and other animals can be ethically taken with small caliber rifles with appropriate bullets. 100s and 100s of examples. These guys teach others how to shoot, and have shown time and time again that smaller calibers are shot more proficiently than larger ones.

This trip in the video was to show that the same principals work in Africa. 15 animals (waterbuck, sable, giraffe) were all taken with a 6mmUM with 115gr bullet. They were harvested ethically and in all cases cleanly.

No one here has to change. But the data, yes data, is showing that most would be better served with a smaller cartridge with an appropriate bullet than a larger one.

I think dangerous game is a middle ground but I believe that modern bullets like CEB raptor offer benefit there too.

You’re a reasonable and smart dude 375. I have full confidence you’ll be hunting with a 223 soon!

Just because you do it a lot doesn’t make it smarter dumb things can be repeated even hundreds of times. Good bye I’m blocking you

 

[NIGHTHAWK]

In my experience in hunting in Africa, my choice of Caliber and Rifle was/is specifically Influenced by the outfitter and PH I’ve hunted with. During the planning phase, to include the list of animals I desired to hunt, I would let the PH know my rifle and caliber options, as well as the bullets I intended to use, get his opinion, and make any adjustments necessary based on their input. I never shoot without express permission or direction from my PH.

You really don’t have the option of just showing up with any caliber you want and get to use it on whichever animal you chose without permission. Circumstance does influence outcome, but the PH has the final say. I assume the OP knows this?

I don’t speculate much about anything. I practice with the rifles I intend to use, book my trips (in what ever country I intend to hunt), fill out the forms and obtain rifle permits, thoroughly prepare by hand loading custom ammo and testing it, use the gear that works effectively for me, and pay the fee at the end of the hunt.

If a rifle, caliber, or bullet I’ve used didn’t work to ethically kill an animal or my shot placement was off because I hadn’t practiced and prepared, I would post about that experience too. Truth is, I’ve made several rifle changes, scope changes, equipment/gear changes, and switched to bullets that I know work well and documented that in my posts or reply to others. All in hopes that others glean from my first hand experience.

As anyone who has actually hunted Africa with an outfitter knows, it can be very expensive! I don’t want to see animal suffer! I certainly don’t want to see $12k -$15k run or swim off!!

The strong reaction by the ethical majority on these types of posts and videos is obviously influenced by experience. Most hunters love animals, as I do, and know that we are the true conservancy group. These videos are not helpful to our cause!

 

[Inline6]

In my experience in hunting in Africa, my choice of Caliber and Rifle was/is specifically Influenced by the outfitter and PH I’ve hunted with. During the planning phase, to include the list of animals I desired to hunt, I would let the PH know my rifle and caliber options, as well as the bullets I intended to use, get his opinion, and make any adjustments necessary based on their input. I never shoot without express permission or direction from my PH.

You really don’t have the option of just showing up with any caliber you want and get to use it on whichever animal you chose without permission. Circumstance does influence outcome, but the PH has the final say. I assume the OP knows this?

I don’t speculate much about anything. I practice with the rifles I intend to use, book my trips (in what ever country I intend to hunt), fill out the forms and obtain rifle permits, thoroughly prepare by hand loading custom ammo and testing it, use the gear that works effectively for me, and pay the fee at the end of the hunt.

If a rifle, caliber, or bullet I’ve used didn’t work to ethically kill an animal or my shot placement was off because I hadn’t practiced and prepared, I would post about that experience too. Truth is, I’ve made several rifle changes, scope changes, equipment/gear changes, and switched to bullets that I know work well and documented that in my posts or reply to others. All in hopes that others glean from my first hand experience.

As anyone who has actually hunted Africa with an outfitter knows, it can be very expensive! I don’t want to see animal suffer! I certainly don’t want to see $12k -$15k run or swim off!!

The strong reaction by the ethical majority on these types of posts and videos is obviously influenced by experience. Most hunters love animals, as I do, and know that we are the true conservancy group. These videos are not helpful to our cause!

All an anti is going to see is Geoffrey The Giraffe being murdered. They care less by what, that is just the truth of it.

Now other hunters who have not been to Africa, that is a different conversation. I will say most people who have not been, are surprised by how much more robust African animals are compared to WT deer.

My sample size is 3 giraffe, this one on the video. It dropped in about the middle time frame wise of the 3 we took. I do agree with others, more rounds should have been used. They wanted to say a 1 shot kill, it is true they got it. Anyone I personally hunt with would have put more rounds in it.

 

[BeeMaa]

I disagree. I don’t think it is helpful to hunting and hunters to post videos of unethical behavior.

My Grandfather would tell me “you can learn something from anyone, even if it’s what NOT to do”.

We can’t un-ring this bell. Might as well learn from it and teach others how to hunt in an ethical manner.

 

[Doug Hamilton]

Why do you seem to think that experienced hunters can shoot light calibers but then fall apart when having to shoot larger calibers? Those that cannot handle calibers appropriate to the game should restrict themselves to smaller game. A .223 is appropriate for coyotes, but not bears. 6mm is appropriate for impala, or smaller animals, but not eland (or giraffe).