Uk Trophy Ban news

[norfolk shooter]

Give no quarter, expect none.

Rules of war my friend.

I suppose more animals hunted = more hungry people fed.

 

[Frederik]

I have an area that has a large herd of Bontebok. Since they have been banned from entering the USA, no one really hunts them anymore. The manager has told me that they are now planning on culling the entire herd since they compete heavily with other grazers.
I have managed to delay them a bit since I think they might open up again, but this shows you how a ban works.
If they do happen to get the permits in order and proceed, I'm considering having it filmed and putting it out there in full view for the world to see. From impact shots, to skinning with a visual of 100's of Bontebok hanging on hooks. I want the world to see what happens when you ban importation and animals lose their value.

I see myself visiting Marius to hunt one of these invaluable Bontebok soon.
Marius its a super idea but for the anti hunter no matter what species it is its just another animal and if they are hunted it goes against anyhting they stand for.

What worries me more in with these tophy imports getting thru is next you won't be able to fly with your own firearm since you wont be able to import a trophy why should you own or have a firearm that can be used to shoot buffalo. Since you can shoot red deer with a 243 why would you be able to own a 375???

The world is spiraling fast in the wrong direction where animals have more rights than a human?
Where your skin colour means you can act as you wish for things that was done 100 years ago against your forefathers.
Going to court or jail when speaking truth and being honest.
Carreer Politicians knowing that its gettin they are close to being obsolete and magically enforcing rules and regulations to get that last breath of power.

I will voice my feelings and my culture as a hunter, firearm owner and lover of nature as along as I have breath in my lungs and I'm going to pass on this tradition to my son who also loves nature, firerams and hunting and pray that he will be able to pass it on to his children.

For without managing wildlife and nature there won't be any wildlife and nature to be managed in the end.

 

[Kenneth McMillan]

Just found this.

Southern African countries to lose billions as UK plans to ban importation of hunting trophies | News24

Southern African countries stand to lose billions of US dollars in wildlife and tourism revenue if the United Kingdom passes into law a bill that seeks to ban the importation of hunting trophies.

www.news24.com

 

[PerH]

UK government puts animal welfare policies on pause

Delayed legislation includes ban on trophy hunting imports and stricter sentences for puppy thieves

www.theguardian.com

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Senior sources in the Conservative party have confirmed to the Guardian that a series of policies including a ban on trophy hunting imports, stricter sentences for puppy thieves and a ban on live exports of livestock have been put on pause after a campaign led by Mark Spencer, the chief whip.

The minister responsible for the policies, Zac Goldsmith, is understood to have heard the news just before taking off on a flight to Ecuador.

Spencer, who is a farmer, is understood to be less than keen on the animal-friendly policies touted by Boris Johnson and his influential friends including his wife, Carrie, and Lord Goldsmith.

Others within the party, in rural constituencies, have privately complained that the animal welfare policies have been campaigned for by people who live in cities, and that it has made them unpopular with landowning, shooting donors and voters.

Many backbenchers hope the next Tory leader is unlikely to continue with the legislation as it is unpopular with influential figures in the party.

Allies of Johnson have told the Guardian that the policies are “as good as dead” if the prime minister faces and loses a vote of no confidence.

Goldsmith said: “It’s not just that the future of government is uncertain. So too is continued leadership on climate and nature. The measurable truth is that we are now world leaders and have moved things massively on nature – abroad and here (with much more to come) If this PM goes, that very likely ends.”

 

[VertigoBE]

That is great news!

I had been wondering recently, with all the pressure on Boris, if this legislation would truly come about. Seems he has other things on his mind right now, and cooler heads in his party prevailed!

And well done to Spencer!

 

[PerH]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1350073445975994374

A couple of days before this one ,George Monbiot turned some of his view on trophy hunting


And this was the response to his turn from his kindhearted and likeminded friends and allied.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1484548513254064128

Getting a bit turned and twisted in their camp, all that is missing is mrs Johnson singing " Ride of the Valkuries" .

 

[Pheroze]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1350073445975994374

A couple of days before this one ,George Monbiot turned some of his view on trophy hunting


And this was the response to his turn from his kindhearted and likeminded friends and allied.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1484548513254064128

Getting a bit turned and twisted in their camp, all that is missing is mrs Johnson singing " Ride of the Valkuries" .

I am hopeful the discussion will mature despite the indignation of the few

 

[Excessexpress]

UK government puts animal welfare policies on pause

Delayed legislation includes ban on trophy hunting imports and stricter sentences for puppy thieves

www.theguardian.com

"
Senior sources in the Conservative party have confirmed to the Guardian that a series of policies including a ban on trophy hunting imports, stricter sentences for puppy thieves and a ban on live exports of livestock have been put on pause after a campaign led by Mark Spencer, the chief whip.

The minister responsible for the policies, Zac Goldsmith, is understood to have heard the news just before taking off on a flight to Ecuador.

Spencer, who is a farmer, is understood to be less than keen on the animal-friendly policies touted by Boris Johnson and his influential friends including his wife, Carrie, and Lord Goldsmith.

Others within the party, in rural constituencies, have privately complained that the animal welfare policies have been campaigned for by people who live in cities, and that it has made them unpopular with landowning, shooting donors and voters.

Many backbenchers hope the next Tory leader is unlikely to continue with the legislation as it is unpopular with influential figures in the party.

Allies of Johnson have told the Guardian that the policies are “as good as dead” if the prime minister faces and loses a vote of no confidence.

Goldsmith said: “It’s not just that the future of government is uncertain. So too is continued leadership on climate and nature. The measurable truth is that we are now world leaders and have moved things massively on nature – abroad and here (with much more to come) If this PM goes, that very likely ends.”

Whilst that would be great, Johnson is still in office. And her feckless husband is too….

 

[Excessexpress]

I am hopeful the discussion will mature despite the indignation of the few

They have no other argument than bile and hatred. I doubt it will change.

 

[Novice Huntress]

Hi guys,
Just to give another update, I appreciate there are a couple of threads on this topic, have a look at this short from fieldsports nation.

Enjoy and have a wry smile!!

 

[PerH]

And here a article from Forbes, putting the words on what it is about ,, well written piece.

Colonial Racism On Full Display In UK Parliament’s Proposed Trophy Import Ban

In recently banning the importation of animals taken by hunters—predominantly from its former colonies in Sub-Saharan Africa—the British Parliament has once again signaled to African leaders that they are too ignorant and undisciplined to manage their wildlife affairs and care for their own people.

www.forbes.com

 

[VertigoBE]

And here a article from Forbes, putting the words on what it is about ,, well written piece.

Colonial Racism On Full Display In UK Parliament’s Proposed Trophy Import Ban

In recently banning the importation of animals taken by hunters—predominantly from its former colonies in Sub-Saharan Africa—the British Parliament has once again signaled to African leaders that they are too ignorant and undisciplined to manage their wildlife affairs and care for their own people.

www.forbes.com

Actually a pretty good article, thanks for sharing @PerH !

Just unfortunate about the "clickbait" title, a more neutral title would have make people perhaps more interested in reading the info in the article, than the current one. It was not necessary to bring racism into the mix here.

 

[Novice Huntress]

Hi all, I know this thread hasn't been updated for a while but sadly this is what happened today,

BBC News - Ban on imports of animal hunting trophies set to become law

Ban on imports of animal hunting trophies set to become law

Plans to stop hunters bringing body parts of endangered species to Great Britain are approved by MPs.

www.bbc.co.uk

Classic virtue signalling to say the least!!!

 

[Excessexpress]

Apparently the market has been shifting to Russia and SE Asia for a while, but it’s quite sad for the UK. Replica makers will offer some hope, but frankly I don’t know whether it’s better to keep hunting overseas and have replicas made, or hunt in Scotland and the like while you still can.

 

[PeteG]

Apparently the market has been shifting to Russia and SE Asia for a while, but it’s quite sad for the UK. Replica makers will offer some hope, but frankly I don’t know whether it’s better to keep hunting overseas and have replicas made, or hunt in Scotland and the like while you still can.

Keep hunting and have replicas made. Show the muppets making these laws that the hunt is important to us as people. The trophy is a memory.
the only way to refute these laws is by continuing and then appealing for a change based off evidence surrounding the conservation and community benefits of hunts.

 

[Frederik]

PeteG, that would be awesome I hope the replica market can pick up but seriously how many clients from the US have made replicas from brown hyena, cheetah, hippo (From Moz), elephant and lion and more since they cannot be imported anymore.

Surely hope its going to change.

But also a note that quite a few lions are being hunted in SA for photos and experience only as the price is acceptable.

 

[PeteG]

It is up to the hunters to decide on their personal preference and hopefully it contributes positively.
the increased cost of taxidermy and shipping of it may lend towards a trend in more replicas.
I know they’re not the same as the real thing, but it may be a viable solution to what presents as a problem.

 

[VertigoBE]

It is up to the hunters to decide on their personal preference and hopefully it contributes positively.
the increased cost of taxidermy and shipping of it may lend towards a trend in more replicas.
I know they’re not the same as the real thing, but it may be a viable solution to what presents as a problem.

A replica of a skull or a set of teeth is one thing, but who will go out and have a replica made of a nyala, impala or kudu? The vast majority of safari dollars goes to PG hunting, with the vast majority of taxidermy going to shoulder mounts. How will those fair if one cannot take their original sable mount with them for example.

I see such a ban as much more impacting for PG, than for DG, where the latter often sees hunters come and return more for the experience than for the trophy.

Anyway, another tragic turn of events that will destroy more animal numbers than protect them.

 

[PeteG]

A replica of a skull or a set of teeth is one thing, but who will go out and have a replica made of a nyala, impala or kudu? The vast majority of safari dollars goes to PG hunting, with the vast majority of taxidermy going to shoulder mounts. How will those fair if one cannot take their original sable mount with them for example.

I see such a ban as much more impacting for PG, than for DG, where the latter often sees hunters come and return more for the experience than for the trophy.

Anyway, another tragic turn of events that will destroy more animal numbers than protect them.

Good point and one I am aware of but hopeful that some will still support the hunting industry either way.
I get that many will not hunt if they cannot have a trophy.
I hope the ones that do still hunt make the best of whatever replica is available.

It’s a disappointing turn of events and the ban will no doubt make it harder for the industry to sustain the conservation momentum it has.
it could end up being the beginning of the end of many operations and sustainable hunting operations Africa wide.

 

[PhotoCollector73]

I see such a ban as much more impacting for PG, than for DG, where the latter often sees hunters come and return more for the experience than for the trophy.

Vertigo, you raise an interesting point. DG hunting is by far a much more experience oriented endeavour, with many hunters I've talked to having no problem leaving their trophies in their place of origin and being happy with the pictures taken.

Not so much with PG hunting, which has, for better or worse, become almost "menu oriented" in modern African hunting. Meaning that a lot hunters who go PG hunting are more interested in getting a big bag rather than focusing on the experience.

If I were to become an outfitter anywhere in Africa, I would make sure to have replicas be an available substitute in case of complications regarding trophy importation. Yes, it would cost more but visiting hunters would likely very quickly get over any increases of the total cost of a safari.