Trip report AA-Qatar-Airlink

I flew United out of ORD to JNB in March…business Polaris…very disappointed. Attendants were in all MIA after dinner, which I would class in the category of a Happy Meal with no toy. Other than lay flat….economy on Qatar service and food and drinks are in a much higher category than United’s Polaris. Going thru Newark with a rifle was very smooth, no issues. The attendants on my flight in united Polaris were, without a doubt, the most incompetent, disorganized lazy group I had ever experienced in my 9 flights to SA, by Delta, Qatar and the one flight on United. Clearing thru Chicago with a firearm is not a problem, considering Cook County gun issues.
 
Glad you navigated this AA Qatar gun check in process. Hope it goes better in August.
 
I'm looking at a trip in 2024. As it will be my first trip and on a budget, I think I'll use the outfitter's rifles. Headed to the DSC convention in January to check things out. Great trip report by the way
 
@Philip Glass, a thought to consider......

My last trip to Africa will be like my next. I traveled with my buddy @AZ KJ and will again. On our last trip in 2019, I flew a couple days before we left to Austin, TX where he lives. On the morning of our departure on Qatar out of Houston, we drove to Houston and parked his truck in an off airport long term parking facility. And from there a shuttle to IAH. And of course from there on QA to DOH and then to JNB.

Ok yah, there is the hassle of the road travel but in exchange for this we:

1) Reduced our airlines to one since we were being picked up in JNB.

2) It was cheaper that way even for me flying to Austin versus PHX to IAH/DFW and a connector to JNB. And it was cheaper for KJ as I recall even with the parking fee.

3) We avoided the check guns/ claim guns at USA airport/ re-check guns issue.

4) Overall I don't believe KJ's travel time was any longer, perhaps even shorter as there was no layover for a flight from Houston to Austin.

5) For me, it did extend the travel time as I spent another night in Austin on the way back. But that was ok, as I was able to get a good night's sleep and arrived the next day in Phx in good shape.

And as mentioned we will do this again for our trip coming up in October. Pursue that idea on paper and I think you may find it's no more expensive and the ROI for the road travel in making the travel simpler worthwhile.....maybe not. But at least worth thinking about I'd say.
 
@Philip Glass, a thought to consider......

My last trip to Africa will be like my next. I traveled with my buddy @AZ KJ and will again. On our last trip in 2019, I flew a couple days before we left to Austin, TX where he lives. On the morning of our departure on Qatar out of Houston, we drove to Houston and parked his truck in an off airport long term parking facility. And from there a shuttle to IAH. And of course from there on QA to DOH and then to JNB.

Ok yah, there is the hassle of the road travel but in exchange for this we:

1) Reduced our airlines to one since we were being picked up in JNB.

2) It was cheaper that way even for me flying to Austin versus PHX to IAH/DFW and a connector to JNB. And it was cheaper for KJ as I recall even with the parking fee.

3) We avoided the check guns/ claim guns at USA airport/ re-check guns issue.

4) Overall I don't believe KJ's travel time was any longer, perhaps even shorter as there was no layover for a flight from Houston to Austin.

5) For me, it did extend the travel time as I spent another night in Austin on the way back. But that was ok, as I was able to get a good night's sleep and arrived the next day in Phx in good shape.

And as mentioned we will do this again for our trip coming up in October. Pursue that idea on paper and I think you may find it's no more expensive and the ROI for the road travel in making the travel simpler worthwhile.....maybe not. But at least worth thinking about I'd say.

I just returned from a trip out of IAH. There is a lot of construction at IAH. They are recommending an extra hour for the road construction delays. We really did not need it. Let me suggest off airport parking on Will Clayton instead of JFK. I parked in the Parking Spot 1, which went straight to D. Fast and easy.
 
I'm looking at a trip in 2024. As it will be my first trip and on a budget, I think I'll use the outfitter's rifles. Headed to the DSC convention in January to check things out. Great trip report by the way

Taking your own firearm really isn't much of a hassle as some of us make it out to be. Yes, you have to jump through a few hoops but if it is just one or two hunters in a group it will be a breeze.

As for airlines, unless you are set on Qatar United and Delta will get you there with zero hassle. No surrender permits, just check them through to Johannesburg. I would also use Rifle Permits or even Air 2000 for preapproved permits and a meet and greet if you are flying to another destination within South Africa, they are will worth the extra cash. If your PH will be picking you up in Johannesburg then perhaps just a preapproved permit, which is worth it's weight in gold to get through the SAP's office.

There is something special about taking your own rifle that you know how it shoots with ammo that you have loaded yourself. After my first safari I though that if I went back I would use my outfitters rifles but with what most of them charge for that service I figured that I would just take my own rifle back this last time. And if I go again I just may take it again.
 
I agree about it is special to take your own rifle. If you don’t ask a lot of questions about the rifles and the optics your outfitter has available. I will ALWAYS take my own rifle if DG is on the menu, I see it as a must to be extra familiar with a rifle I’m going to tackle DG with.
 
Great read! Thank you.

Next spring will be our first flight and safari to RSA.
We are not wealthy and on a budget.
What seating in a plain is worth any extra?
I truly do not know the difference from economy to main cabin or anything else. Where is the smart money spent and where is it not?
We plan to fly from Milwaukee or Chicago to Atlanta then Joburg.
For my last 2 trips and my upcoming trip I took United from PIT to Newark to JNB. United has Economy, Premium Economy and Business. Coach seems to run around 1000-1000, I have went Premium Economy 1700.00 and Business 3100.00 (yes, I did pay for Premium Economy 1700.00, then a box popped up offering an upgrade to Business for 1400.00 roundtrip, that was a no-brainer for me). This September I am doing Premium Economy for 1700.00. I feel the Newark airport is a PIA, but when I compare actual travel time, United is the right fit for me. Others go through DOH, and that is great too, but I do not want to spend an extra 10-14 hours getting to Africa.
 
I'm looking at a trip in 2024. As it will be my first trip and on a budget, I think I'll use the outfitter's rifles. Headed to the DSC convention in January to check things out. Great trip report by the way
You will sadly miss out on the full experience by not taking your own rifles. As I explained to my guys, we have long airport layovers anyway flying International so what’s the difference in standing in a line to check in a gun versus wandering the airport. When you get home with your rifle and look at it you will be bringing back memories forever.
 
For my last 2 trips and my upcoming trip I took United from PIT to Newark to JNB. United has Economy, Premium Economy and Business. Coach seems to run around 1000-1000, I have went Premium Economy 1700.00 and Business 3100.00 (yes, I did pay for Premium Economy 1700.00, then a box popped up offering an upgrade to Business for 1400.00 roundtrip, that was a no-brainer for me). This September I am doing Premium Economy for 1700.00. I feel the Newark airport is a PIA, but when I compare actual travel time, United is the right fit for me. Others go through DOH, and that is great too, but I do not want to spend an extra 10-14 hours getting to Africa.
For me personally it is only about 4 more hours on Qatar versus Delta On their respective routes. I won’t fly through NJ or NY with a suppressor so United is out. I will always look at Delta as an option even though they have let so many of us down recently.
It is weird but I do miss South African Airways. Departing on an African airline always seemed to get you in the spirit!
 
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Trip report AA-Qatar-Airlink

SJT-DFW on American Airlines
DFW-DOH-JNB on Qatar - A350-1000 & 777
JNB-PLZ on Airlink - Embraer E190

SJT departure AA 3953 1h 8m: AA agents in San Angelo were much trouble for us on check in. First of all the woman checking me in was asking for a RSA rifle permit. I totally shut her down and adamantly explained that there was no such thing available until we arrived in JNB. I got past that bit of poor training and then they were asking for our Covid test results. I asked why they were asking for them when it is typically just the international departure airline who asks for such documents. She said something about people not having the right paperwork and getting sent back home from an international flight. Whatever! Then she proceeded to tell me that she could not check our bags through to JNB. She said it was purchased on separate tickets and could not check through. Once again I began deliberately correcting her that AA and Qatar are OneWorld partners and as a matter of fact she can check bags through regardless of how the tickets were purchased. She said she was sorry and hit print for the bag tags and what do you know, it said JNB! She began apologizing profusely and we moved on to the next part of the journey. My friend Travis was departing from Austin and got the same run around from AA. They were wanting a gun permit from RSA. He gave up after trying to explain the situation to a manager and just checked to DFW. My friend Travis from Austin was trying to check in for his flight to DFW and ran into the same issue with AA and them wanting a rifle permit for RSA. He also told them there was no such thing and after speaking to a manager finally just checked to DFW. Seth from South Carolina ran into AA asking for a Qatar covid form which was not required. He finally got another agent to help him and he checked bags and rifle through to JNB.

DFW-DOH QR730 14h 55m

We arrived in DFW and went to have a meal at Pappadeaux seafood restaurant. Then we met up with more of our group in Terminal D to present the Qatar rifle paperwork to the gate agent just like we did last year. There was only one woman there who could not help us and said we had to go out of security and do the rifle forms and show the Covid tests and then come back through security. Well what a mess. Of course we get down there and most everyone on our flight was trying to check in last minute! We finished the process and headed to the gate. By the time we got there they were beginning the boarding process. I had 7 in business class and 9 in economy on this trip. Although I was a little rattled from the two unnecessarily difficult check in procedures, many of my group thanked me for navigating us through to this point. My wife Jennifer and I were in the Qatar QSuite business class double bed seats. These are rear facing seats and I had to get used to that. The business class seating, food, and service on Qatar is excellent. I personally enjoyed a great meal, drinks, and a James Bond marathon of movies. We all slept well even the guys and gal in coach got some rest. I always explain to my safari groups, when contemplating flight options, that economy get you there but the QSuite is an experience all by itself.

We arrived in DOH pretty close to on time and just had about 3 hours to explore the airport. We hit the duty free shop for some necessary supplies and then just explored the airport on our way toward our departure gate. Sadly we just didn’t have enough time to enjoy the business class lounge. I’ll get to report on the lounge after my Zim and Tanzania safaris later this year.

DOH-JNB QR 1368 8h20m

This is the shorter flight of the two. The meals and service are about the same as the first flight however I do not understand why they don’t serve a proper breakfast on a flight that arrives at 4am.

JNB Arrival: I had organized the @riflepermits.com VIP service for our group. This was just for the convenience of our large group as I’ve been there and done that so to speak. We got our luggage fairly quickly and we’re off to the SAPS office where Marius had our pre-approved rifle permits ready for us. All 16 of us were in and out of there in short order. I have always been happy with Riflepermits.com service at JNB. The Airlink check in is always fine but slow due to the fact that the ticket agents in Africa can’t take payments. You have to go to the business office to pay the rifle handling fee ($40) and any baggage fees. You are allowed 44lbs for your suitcase, 33lbs for the rifle case, and no charge for your locked ammo box which must be checked separately. With the rifles dropped off we went through security and then to Wimpy for some breakfast/lunch.

JNB-PLZ Airlink 4Z 797 1h 45m

This is a fun flight on a nice Embraer E190 which is one of the larger regional jets. The view of beaches, ships, and the port coming in to Port Elizabeth is really beautiful. Get a window seat!

Arrival At PLZ is uneventful and all of our luggage and rifles were there and in good order. My friend and PH Fred Burchell met us at the firearms room and really expedited the procedure! We were off on the one hour fifteen minute drive to Frontier Safaris camp.

Departure: We left camp at 8:15 AM and arrived at PLZ at 9:30.

Airlink 4Z 798 1h 50m:

Ticket agents were not available until 10:30 for our 12:30 flight. For 16 of us to navigate the Airlink rifle check in process it took 1.5 hours total. Once again the main hold up is simply paying for baggage fees and rifle handling fee. The delay has little to do with rifles and is just an antiquated process. Then it was time to go through security.

Somehow Patrick with TWG Travel Agency was able to get several of us business class seats (round trip) for an economy price! 4 of us were sitting in comfort up front on this short flight.

JNB Arrival:
We collected our luggage then we got our rifles from the little office by baggage claim. Each of us had to show SAPS form and passport and we were out of there. A long trek across the airport got us to the Qatar check in counter. This is where all progress was halted. Qatar had just one young woman to check us in. It was a slow process. We gave her our passport and Qatar rifle form and received boarding passes and luggage was checked in. Rifle cases had to go to the usual security office and then we went through security.

Shopping at JNB can be fantastic and many in my group bought gifts and then we headed to the Shongololo Lounge and awaited departure. The lounge is a welcomed retreat from the airport on a long layover. This one has very basic food and decent drinks. There are showers in this lounge however so that can be a plus for those with a long layover.

JNB-DOH Qatar 1368 8h 20m

We had good meals and service in business class once again. Economy passengers commented on having very good service and decent food. We had only 1 hour layover in DOH so there was no time to do anything but navigate the two security checkpoints and get boarded. For some reason on much of this trip Qatar was boarding the back of the plane first. Not so much fun if you are anticipating enjoying your QSuite.

DOH-DFW Qatar 729 14h 55m
Departed late at 8:30AM
We had good meals and service in business class. We did experience some turbulence on this flight that was enough that it was hard for me to sleep.

DFW Arrival- luggage was very slow coming out. Customs process was a breeze as always at DFW. Rechecking rifles was a bit of trouble as each AA person told a different story to each of us. They received some rifles at the AA counter and then later called the owner to come take it to TSA after we were gone. I was told to take mine upstairs to oversized baggage where the TSA gentleman made the process very easy and quick. I will remember this for next time.

DFW-SJT AA 3273 1h 12m
Departed late at 11:40, Arrived at 12:30
“Unruly passenger situation.” I was visiting with a gentleman just before take off across the row when the very sensitive male flight attendant asked us to stop talking while he did the announcements. We complied of course but wondered why he was so worried about two passengers having a conversation. A little while later he comes over and very smartly stands over us and asked in a very arrogant way if everything was alright. I said “everything is fine” but the other guy got a little testy with him. That was all it took for this flight attendant to throw the man off the plane and cost us a 30 minute delay as we approached midnight on our final leg home.

I love Africa and I love traveling but this trip was a whole lot more trouble than ever before. All of our flights were close to on time and no luggage was lost or delayed but I have a bad taste in my mouth over this one. As always I review all flight options with my travel agent annually so we will see what route we choose next time. Everyone traveling these days must know the rules of airlines and countries and be prepared to meet untrained and in some cases uncaring airline personnel.

Regards,
Philip
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Thanks for this run down of your trip. I always dread dealing with domestic airline personnel and can't wait to escape into business class, where good service, food, drinks, and seat await.

We flew Emirates last time and it was great, but I definitely want to tey out those Qatar Q suites I hear so much about!
 
@Philip Glass … nice piece of writing & very informative, especially as we continue to travel Internationally & all the airline Custer service miscues!!

Qatar is my carrier in September & I keep receiving emails to upgrade to a Pod … very tempting.
 
For me personally it is only about 4 more hours on Qatar versus Delta On their respective routes. I won’t fly through NJ or NY with a suppressor so United is out. I will always look at Delta as an option even though they have let so many of us down recently.
It is weird but I do miss South African Airways. Departing on an African airline always seemed to get you in the spirit!
Yes, for me, I could drive to Dulles, board South African Airways, get off in Johannesburg, that was very easy for me. Coming back through Newark and dealing with that process is maddening, really takes away from the trip, and it is more frustrating to me because as an American, I feel like my own people are treating me like a second class citizen!! TSA, thousands standing around!!!
 
@Philip Glass … nice piece of writing & very informative, especially as we continue to travel Internationally & all the airline Custer service miscues!!

Qatar is my carrier in September & I keep receiving emails to upgrade to a Pod … very tempting.
My advice is to upgrade! It is not just about getting there, it is a separate experience to be treated so well and in such luxury on an airline.
Have a great trip.
 
Thanks for this run down of your trip. I always dread dealing with domestic airline personnel and can't wait to escape into business class, where good service, food, drinks, and seat await.

We flew Emirates last time and it was great, but I definitely want to tey out those Qatar Q suites I hear so much about!
I saw your latest TIA episode with the travel footage. Emirates looks great! We head to the Omay in August and will fly Qatar. We have had one hiccup and that is the return flight was cancelled so we will have to take Airlink HRE-JNB then get on Qatar. They are organizing a charter flight for us so that will be nice and save time.
I am hoping that as these idiot governments around the world finally lift the last virus protocols the airlines will get everything back to full 7 day a week schedules.
Regards,
Philip
 
I saw your latest TIA episode with the travel footage. Emirates looks great! We head to the Omay in August and will fly Qatar. We have had one hiccup and that is the return flight was cancelled so we will have to take Airlink HRE-JNB then get on Qatar. They are organizing a charter flight for us so that will be nice and save time.
I am hoping that as these idiot governments around the world finally lift the last virus protocols the airlines will get everything back to full 7 day a week schedules.
Regards,
Philip
Have fun on the hunt! Best of luck to you and the whole group!
 
My advice is to upgrade! It is not just about getting there, it is a separate experience to be treated so well and in such luxury on an airline.
Have a great trip.
@Philip Glass … thx for the tip, I really enjoy air travel & I truly do believe a Qatar QSuite would be a separate & enjoyable experience … all part of the adventure! Thx … new Lodge & Location this go-around!

Happy Trails
 
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Trip report AA-Qatar-Airlink

SJT-DFW on American Airlines
DFW-DOH-JNB on Qatar - A350-1000 & 777
JNB-PLZ on Airlink - Embraer E190

SJT departure AA 3953 1h 8m: AA agents in San Angelo were much trouble for us on check in. First of all the woman checking me in was asking for a RSA rifle permit. I totally shut her down and adamantly explained that there was no such thing available until we arrived in JNB. I got past that bit of poor training and then they were asking for our Covid test results. I asked why they were asking for them when it is typically just the international departure airline who asks for such documents. She said something about people not having the right paperwork and getting sent back home from an international flight. Whatever! Then she proceeded to tell me that she could not check our bags through to JNB. She said it was purchased on separate tickets and could not check through. Once again I began deliberately correcting her that AA and Qatar are OneWorld partners and as a matter of fact she can check bags through regardless of how the tickets were purchased. She said she was sorry and hit print for the bag tags and what do you know, it said JNB! She began apologizing profusely and we moved on to the next part of the journey. My friend Travis was departing from Austin and got the same run around from AA. They were wanting a gun permit from RSA. He gave up after trying to explain the situation to a manager and just checked to DFW. My friend Travis from Austin was trying to check in for his flight to DFW and ran into the same issue with AA and them wanting a rifle permit for RSA. He also told them there was no such thing and after speaking to a manager finally just checked to DFW. Seth from South Carolina ran into AA asking for a Qatar covid form which was not required. He finally got another agent to help him and he checked bags and rifle through to JNB.

DFW-DOH QR730 14h 55m

We arrived in DFW and went to have a meal at Pappadeaux seafood restaurant. Then we met up with more of our group in Terminal D to present the Qatar rifle paperwork to the gate agent just like we did last year. There was only one woman there who could not help us and said we had to go out of security and do the rifle forms and show the Covid tests and then come back through security. Well what a mess. Of course we get down there and most everyone on our flight was trying to check in last minute! We finished the process and headed to the gate. By the time we got there they were beginning the boarding process. I had 7 in business class and 9 in economy on this trip. Although I was a little rattled from the two unnecessarily difficult check in procedures, many of my group thanked me for navigating us through to this point. My wife Jennifer and I were in the Qatar QSuite business class double bed seats. These are rear facing seats and I had to get used to that. The business class seating, food, and service on Qatar is excellent. I personally enjoyed a great meal, drinks, and a James Bond marathon of movies. We all slept well even the guys and gal in coach got some rest. I always explain to my safari groups, when contemplating flight options, that economy get you there but the QSuite is an experience all by itself.

We arrived in DOH pretty close to on time and just had about 3 hours to explore the airport. We hit the duty free shop for some necessary supplies and then just explored the airport on our way toward our departure gate. Sadly we just didn’t have enough time to enjoy the business class lounge. I’ll get to report on the lounge after my Zim and Tanzania safaris later this year.

DOH-JNB QR 1368 8h20m

This is the shorter flight of the two. The meals and service are about the same as the first flight however I do not understand why they don’t serve a proper breakfast on a flight that arrives at 4am.

JNB Arrival: I had organized the @riflepermits.com VIP service for our group. This was just for the convenience of our large group as I’ve been there and done that so to speak. We got our luggage fairly quickly and we’re off to the SAPS office where Marius had our pre-approved rifle permits ready for us. All 16 of us were in and out of there in short order. I have always been happy with Riflepermits.com service at JNB. The Airlink check in is always fine but slow due to the fact that the ticket agents in Africa can’t take payments. You have to go to the business office to pay the rifle handling fee ($40) and any baggage fees. You are allowed 44lbs for your suitcase, 33lbs for the rifle case, and no charge for your locked ammo box which must be checked separately. With the rifles dropped off we went through security and then to Wimpy for some breakfast/lunch.

JNB-PLZ Airlink 4Z 797 1h 45m

This is a fun flight on a nice Embraer E190 which is one of the larger regional jets. The view of beaches, ships, and the port coming in to Port Elizabeth is really beautiful. Get a window seat!

Arrival At PLZ is uneventful and all of our luggage and rifles were there and in good order. My friend and PH Fred Burchell met us at the firearms room and really expedited the procedure! We were off on the one hour fifteen minute drive to Frontier Safaris camp.

Departure: We left camp at 8:15 AM and arrived at PLZ at 9:30.

Airlink 4Z 798 1h 50m:

Ticket agents were not available until 10:30 for our 12:30 flight. For 16 of us to navigate the Airlink rifle check in process it took 1.5 hours total. Once again the main hold up is simply paying for baggage fees and rifle handling fee. The delay has little to do with rifles and is just an antiquated process. Then it was time to go through security.

Somehow Patrick with TWG Travel Agency was able to get several of us business class seats (round trip) for an economy price! 4 of us were sitting in comfort up front on this short flight.

JNB Arrival:
We collected our luggage then we got our rifles from the little office by baggage claim. Each of us had to show SAPS form and passport and we were out of there. A long trek across the airport got us to the Qatar check in counter. This is where all progress was halted. Qatar had just one young woman to check us in. It was a slow process. We gave her our passport and Qatar rifle form and received boarding passes and luggage was checked in. Rifle cases had to go to the usual security office and then we went through security.

Shopping at JNB can be fantastic and many in my group bought gifts and then we headed to the Shongololo Lounge and awaited departure. The lounge is a welcomed retreat from the airport on a long layover. This one has very basic food and decent drinks. There are showers in this lounge however so that can be a plus for those with a long layover.

JNB-DOH Qatar 1368 8h 20m

We had good meals and service in business class once again. Economy passengers commented on having very good service and decent food. We had only 1 hour layover in DOH so there was no time to do anything but navigate the two security checkpoints and get boarded. For some reason on much of this trip Qatar was boarding the back of the plane first. Not so much fun if you are anticipating enjoying your QSuite.

DOH-DFW Qatar 729 14h 55m
Departed late at 8:30AM
We had good meals and service in business class. We did experience some turbulence on this flight that was enough that it was hard for me to sleep.

DFW Arrival- luggage was very slow coming out. Customs process was a breeze as always at DFW. Rechecking rifles was a bit of trouble as each AA person told a different story to each of us. They received some rifles at the AA counter and then later called the owner to come take it to TSA after we were gone. I was told to take mine upstairs to oversized baggage where the TSA gentleman made the process very easy and quick. I will remember this for next time.

DFW-SJT AA 3273 1h 12m
Departed late at 11:40, Arrived at 12:30
“Unruly passenger situation.” I was visiting with a gentleman just before take off across the row when the very sensitive male flight attendant asked us to stop talking while he did the announcements. We complied of course but wondered why he was so worried about two passengers having a conversation. A little while later he comes over and very smartly stands over us and asked in a very arrogant way if everything was alright. I said “everything is fine” but the other guy got a little testy with him. That was all it took for this flight attendant to throw the man off the plane and cost us a 30 minute delay as we approached midnight on our final leg home.

I love Africa and I love traveling but this trip was a whole lot more trouble than ever before. All of our flights were close to on time and no luggage was lost or delayed but I have a bad taste in my mouth over this one. As always I review all flight options with my travel agent annually so we will see what route we choose next time. Everyone traveling these days must know the rules of airlines and countries and be prepared to meet untrained and in some cases uncaring airline personnel.

Regards,
Philip
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Yes, once in DFW and flying Qatar, you have to go out of security and over to the Qatar check-in desks to do the rifle paperwork and then go back through security and to the gate agent to confirm again before you board the flight. However, once it’s all done, it was smooth from there on.

I also flew AA last year on my first leg but from from Denver to DFW, not San Angelo, and then to DOHA to JNB to Maun. The AA agents in Denver did not ask for my SAPS gun permit.

Coming up next month, I am going to Zambia but avoiding JNB altogether. I’m going DEN to DFW to Doha to Lusaka. I will let you know how it goes on AA and Qatar. Thanks for your report!!
 

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