Tipping Guide

@SplitHoof - with your attitude about tipping - guessing you were born before 1980 and likely older ——- I AGREE with YOU and the Older I get the “grumpier” I get. I tip generously - often over tip based on %s recommended but it’s got to be MY DECISION —- Not what is “recommended”. I actually enjoy when you pay for something in a Retail store and before you pay they ask (or “prompt”) “Would you like to round UP $$” and I say “NO but I’d like your store to ROUND DOWN” that usually gets a very confused look on the cashier face —- same when asked if I’d like to donate to the charity-of-the-minute…Seems everyone today is trying to get into My Wallet !!
Yep, when I turned 60, I received my cynicism license. I am retired, polite, but unfiltered.
My brother and I have devised our own blend of “social credit score”, a rating system to predict the generality of individuals to be able to complete basic human tasks, how they would interact with us in many faucets, their reliability, integrity, and general usefulness. Many of the politically correct persuasion would find this offensive, but it is what it is.
When it comes to tip culture, our actions to tip or not are often influenced by one of several factors, as an example the “GI” (General Incompetence) which is an element of the overall score for a particular individual. Sadly, we see a downward trend across many levels of society regarding this, and the screen spinners are tight in there with all the rest.
 
Yep, when I turned 60, I received my cynicism license. I am retired, polite, but unfiltered.
My brother and I have devised our own blend of “social credit score”, a rating system to predict the generality of individuals to be able to complete basic human tasks, how they would interact with us in many faucets, their reliability, integrity, and general usefulness. Many of the politically correct persuasion would find this offensive, but it is what it is.
When it comes to tip culture, our actions to tip or not are often influenced by one of several factors, as an example the “GI” (General Incompetence) which is an element of the overall score for a particular individual. Sadly, we see a downward trend across many levels of society regarding this, and the screen spinners are tight in there with all the rest.
@SplitHoof - well I like the “Social Credit Score” and I don’t even know what it is —yet?? I don’t know if I’m jaded and cynical due to my age or that I worked in New York City for 30+ years and saw Bums & Beggers daily looking for a handout at every corner. To me Tipping is the New “begging”, it’s no longer sought after for superior service — it’s expected by everyone for everything. I still like to tip - especially give a good Waiter a large cash tip or even hand a Hostess $20 for placing us at a great table —- but it’s got to be MY idea and I must “perceive” something was done Above & Beyond.
 
@SplitHoof - well I like the “Social Credit Score” and I don’t even know what it is —yet?? I don’t know if I’m jaded and cynical due to my age or that I worked in New York City for 30+ years and saw Bums & Beggers daily looking for a handout at every corner. To me Tipping is the New “begging”, it’s no longer sought after for superior service — it’s expected by everyone for everything. I still like to tip - especially give a good Waiter a large cash tip or even hand a Hostess $20 for placing us at a great table —- but it’s got to be MY idea and I must “perceive” something was done Above & Beyond.
I remember a hustler, I mean beggar, who used to work the Lex Line downtown. He would announce with great enthusiasm to the crowded subway car: what is the greatest nation in the world? He would pause, as all great performers do, to increase the dramatic tension, and then he would bellow out his answer. DOUGH-NATION. The wallets opened up after that. Also, used to be a guy who worked the trains around City Hall/Broadway. Helluva opera singer, but his monk-strap Ferragamos cost more than my benchmade shoes. The Times did a great piece a long long time ago about how much some of the panhandlers make. Some of them made $100,000 annually. No taxes.
 
Expecting Tipping feels suspect/dirty too me sort of like...
Them: "I expect to get tipped regardless of my output."
Me: "Well I do not want to reward or encourage that."

Tipping should be at the hunters discretion and from my perspective is used to reward "Above & Beyond" (Above & Beyond is entirely defined by the Hunter/Client/Customer in the moment, IF/the more the Hunter/Client/Customer is being TOLD by the guides that what the Hunter/Client/Customer is receiving is 'Above & Beyond' is suspicious, it is entirely up to the perspective of the Hunter/Client/Customer, not the Guide(s)), it's earned, not "expected", when I receive something I perceive as Above & Beyond I really REALLY want to give that person something Above & Beyond in return.

EDIT: The way some people defend tipping makes it come off as like their wage which makes me ask why they aren't receiving a wage instead of tips? So all I hear from them is them either knowingly or unknowingly defending their employer to not pay them a wage?...What?
 
Expecting Tipping feels suspect/dirty too me sort of like...
Them: "I expect to get tipped regardless of my output."
Me: "Well I do not want to reward or encourage that."

Tipping should be at the hunters discretion and from my perspective is used to reward "Above & Beyond" (Above & Beyond is entirely defined by the Hunter/Client/Customer in the moment, IF/the more the Hunter/Client/Customer is being TOLD by the guides that what the Hunter/Client/Customer is receiving is 'Above & Beyond' is suspicious, it is entirely up to the perspective of the Hunter/Client/Customer, not the Guide(s)), it's earned, not "expected", when I receive something I perceive as Above & Beyond I really REALLY want to give that person something Above & Beyond in return.

EDIT: The way some people defend tipping makes it come off as like their wage which makes me ask why they aren't receiving a wage instead of tips? So all I hear from them is them either knowingly or unknowingly defending their employer to not pay them a wage?...What?
Was looking at a hog outfitter and on there cost page at the end of the list it said. A tip of 20-25% was expected
It looks like the guys taking you hunting are the outfitter them selves.

And stoped at cap. D to get lunch the guy at the drive through ask if I wanted to tip.
I ask him for what ( after I got the food)
For service was his answer.
I told him there was no service that he had just done his job.
 
Just completed a 10 Day dangerous game hunt in the Omay area of Zimbabwe. The following were 'suggested' tips. The cost of my hunt was, day rate, 9500.00, tuskless 5000, hippo 5000, impala 400.00. Total of hunt with fees, 21,200.00.

Professional Hunter, xxxxxxxxx
Camp Staff, 1000.00
Tracker, 300.00
Tracker, 300.00
Driver, 300.00
Communal game scout, 150.00
Government scout, 150.00
Appy, 200.00

I offer the above for those who are going on future hunts and may want an 'idea' of what to expect in the way of tipping for this kind of hunt.
 
Just completed a 10 Day dangerous game hunt in the Omay area of Zimbabwe. The following were 'suggested' tips. The cost of my hunt was, day rate, 9500.00, tuskless 5000, hippo 5000, impala 400.00. Total of hunt with fees, 21,200.00.

Professional Hunter, xxxxxxxxx
Camp Staff, 1000.00
Tracker, 300.00
Tracker, 300.00
Driver, 300.00
Communal game scout, 150.00
Government scout, 150.00
Appy, 200.00

I offer the above for those who are going on future hunts and may want an 'idea' of what to expect in the way of tipping for this kind of hunt.
What did you tip the PH?
 
EDIT: The way some people defend tipping makes it come off as like their wage which makes me ask why they aren't receiving a wage instead of tips? So all I hear from them is them either knowingly or unknowingly defending their employer to not pay them a wage?...What?
Agreed, I often hear.......

"America is drunk on cheap labor!" No business owners are drunk on cheap labor
"Nobody wants to work anymore!" No they just do not want to work for slave wages

Consider this - In 1986 the minimum wage was $3.10hr and to have the same purchasing power today you have to make $18.00hr.

The average person making $18hr today in the USA is 24yo college educated with student loan debt.

So it galls me to hear business owners trying to hire skilled labor for $15 or even $20 dollars an hour and complaining about "nobody wants to work anymore" when they are trying to hire skilled adults for less money than a 17yo with 2 years experience working the drive through at McDonald's in 1986.....

FYI 1986 was also the year Reagan gave 6mil illegals amnesty.
 
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Can anyone suggest a reason why an outfitter would not want a client to tip his staff?

When settling up at the end of a Zambia hunt, I asked the owner/outfitter/PH about tips. He said he'd bring the people he wanted me to tip to our chalet. Five minutes later he came by with three guys who had carried our luggage, and instructed me what token amounts to give each. I asked who else, and he said nobody. He did not however refuse the tip I offered him personally.

After he left, I sat on the bed congratulating myself on the money I'd saved, several thousand or so I had planned for tips. Then I thought about it more deeply. No wonder the staff had been so unfriendly. My wife and I had hardly received a smile or hello the entire week. And I thought: What about the assistant PH who had accompanied us on four hunts? He was sort of a ditz, but had been friendly and respectful to me and my wife and helped me bag a puku.

What about the tracker, who had trailed a buffalo herd for five hours and three times put himself at risk when we made contact with the buffalo, before I got a shot at a bull?

What about the cook who had made the delicious meals? The housekeepers?

I'd gotten along with the outfitter, but who was he to tell me who to tip on MY safari? So I went looking for people to tip. But the camp was oddly empty except for the three guys now loading our luggage into the truck, whom I'd already tipped. Finally I found the assistant PH in the kitchen and tipped him a few hundred bucks. His eyes bugged out at sight of the money, and the next thing I knew he was pumping my hand and saying "thank you" over and over. It got embarrassing. I finally had to pull away.

As we were leaving, the outfitter stopped the truck to talk to an assistant. Out of the window I spotted our buffalo tracker, and I got out and tipped him three twenties. His smile must have lit up the forest-- a smile I felt we'd been missing the whole week.

I think the outfitter was mad at me, but I never could figure out his attitude.
 
Can anyone suggest a reason why an outfitter would not want a client to tip his staff?

When settling up at the end of a Zambia hunt, I asked the owner/outfitter/PH about tips. He said he'd bring the people he wanted me to tip to our chalet. Five minutes later he came by with three guys who had carried our luggage, and instructed me what token amounts to give each. I asked who else, and he said nobody. He did not however refuse the tip I offered him personally.

After he left, I sat on the bed congratulating myself on the money I'd saved, several thousand or so I had planned for tips. Then I thought about it more deeply. No wonder the staff had been so unfriendly. My wife and I had hardly received a smile or hello the entire week. And I thought: What about the assistant PH who had accompanied us on four hunts? He was sort of a ditz, but had been friendly and respectful to me and my wife and helped me bag a puku.

What about the tracker, who had trailed a buffalo herd for five hours and three times put himself at risk when we made contact with the buffalo, before I got a shot at a bull?

What about the cook who had made the delicious meals? The housekeepers?

I'd gotten along with the outfitter, but who was he to tell me who to tip on MY safari? So I went looking for people to tip. But the camp was oddly empty except for the three guys now loading our luggage into the truck, whom I'd already tipped. Finally I found the assistant PH in the kitchen and tipped him a few hundred bucks. His eyes bugged out at sight of the money, and the next thing I knew he was pumping my hand and saying "thank you" over and over. It got embarrassing. I finally had to pull away.

As we were leaving, the outfitter stopped the truck to talk to an assistant. Out of the window I spotted our buffalo tracker, and I got out and tipped him three twenties. His smile must have lit up the forest-- a smile I felt we'd been missing the whole week.

I think the outfitter was mad at me, but I never could figure out his attitude.
 
Can anyone suggest a reason why an outfitter would not want a client to tip his staff?

When settling up at the end of a Zambia hunt, I asked the owner/outfitter/PH about tips. He said he'd bring the people he wanted me to tip to our chalet. Five minutes later he came by with three guys who had carried our luggage, and instructed me what token amounts to give each. I asked who else, and he said nobody. He did not however refuse the tip I offered him personally.

After he left, I sat on the bed congratulating myself on the money I'd saved, several thousand or so I had planned for tips. Then I thought about it more deeply. No wonder the staff had been so unfriendly. My wife and I had hardly received a smile or hello the entire week. And I thought: What about the assistant PH who had accompanied us on four hunts? He was sort of a ditz, but had been friendly and respectful to me and my wife and helped me bag a puku.

What about the tracker, who had trailed a buffalo herd for five hours and three times put himself at risk when we made contact with the buffalo, before I got a shot at a bull?

What about the cook who had made the delicious meals? The housekeepers?

I'd gotten along with the outfitter, but who was he to tell me who to tip on MY safari? So I went looking for people to tip. But the camp was oddly empty except for the three guys now loading our luggage into the truck, whom I'd already tipped. Finally I found the assistant PH in the kitchen and tipped him a few hundred bucks. His eyes bugged out at sight of the money, and the next thing I knew he was pumping my hand and saying "thank you" over and over. It got embarrassing. I finally had to pull away.

As we were leaving, the outfitter stopped the truck to talk to an assistant. Out of the window I spotted our buffalo tracker, and I got out and tipped him three twenties. His smile must have lit up the forest-- a smile I felt we'd been missing the whole week.

I think the outfitter was mad at me, but I never could figure out his attitude.
Without more details I’d expect some type of internal conflict between the outfitter and his staff. Seems he put you in the middle of it.
 
i also wonder what happened to my tipping money. On at least two of my hunts the money went to the outfitter and he said he would distribute the funds to the staff accordingly. I do wonder if they saw any of that money, or if the outfitter pocketed all of it.
 
i also wonder what happened to my tipping money. On at least two of my hunts the money went to the outfitter and he said he would distribute the funds to the staff accordingly. I do wonder if they saw any of that money, or if the outfitter pocketed all of it.
This same scenario has happened to me also. And I’ve wondered . One guy I’ve hunted with a couple of times takes a very modest tip for his staff. I generally go with a couple of friends so we fill the small camp.
Anyway on departure day he calls the staff around, puts the money on the table, tells them how much there is and writes it into a book for them.
It’s distributed at the end of the season and they all have 3 months off. As he said, simply if he gave it to them now they would just disappear and drink it. No staff for next week !
 
as an outfitter

there may be something going on behind the scenes, maybe some staff were behaving badly (stealing, or not doing their job) before u arrived. and this was his way of punishing them

i personally prefer tips to be given to me, i will make a list (with head PH) of all the staff to get tips that were involved in that hunt and pay out proportionally. also this way nobody gets forgotten (skinning guys etc)
also my staff prefer the money in their accounts, not cash
it often happens that the PH will add from his own tip to the pool for rest of staff, a PH cannot operate at his best without a great tracker, or a driver, or a skinner, or a chef etc etc

tipping can also cause some tremendous unrest amongst staff, if the outfitter is in control and he is fair, this can be averted.

my 2c
 
One outfitter wanted me to hand the tips for the black staff directly to him, he would then distribute it, and separately but directly to the white professionals involved.

Another outfitter I hunted with made a video with a member of the staff with the amount being mentioned. That would be distributed at the end of the season accordingly to rank and status I was told.

In both instances because otherwise there could be unrest and that was the way they could control it.
 
i also wonder what happened to my tipping money. On at least two of my hunts the money went to the outfitter and he said he would distribute the funds to the staff accordingly. I do wonder if they saw any of that money, or if the outfitter pocketed all of it.
You make a good point, over my many trips to Africa I have often wondered if the money I am giving my PH or Outfitter is actually going to the person it was intended to go to. Just like in all walks of life, there are good PH's and outfitters, then there are those that my granddad would have said, 'they aren't worth a Tinker's Damn'.
 
i also wonder what happened to my tipping money. On at least two of my hunts the money went to the outfitter and he said he would distribute the funds to the staff accordingly. I do wonder if they saw any of that money, or if the outfitter pocketed all of it.
@avon_7 - I would also be suspicious, my PH in TZ was very insisting that I hand any tips “Directly to the Staff” he said that was Very Important….so that’s what i did (although he told me ‘recommended’ amounts) and I tipped each staff member individually ——the Staff members were most grateful.
 
on my first trip the safari owner handed a typed sheet listing everyone working on the property from the owner to the guy that raked up the leaves on the grass and the suggested amount for each person. thought it was weird that there was 3 house keepers listed and the same ones as servers at dinner. double amounts for them. when I figured it all up I would say the 5 of us paid the salary for the staff for probably a year, and our cook that only did a meager lunch and a good home cooked meal was to get a minimum of 1300.00 for a week not bad wages
 

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