Over the years I have told a few people that when they have dug a hole that they can't climb out of to just quit digging. I now have to believe that you now won't be able to get out of the hole if you took a trampoline with you.
Every question that anyone has ask you about this story you have accused them of insulting you or "the man with no name" without cause. You have even shot the "you weren't there so how would you know" line.......... BUT Scott....You weren't there either!!!!!
This bear was allegedly shot three times before it decided to eat your friend who you claim is some sort of super bear guide who made no mistakes and that it wasn't he fault. Did I tell you that years ago I got my leg chewed on by a bear, but unlike you.... a also "self proclaimed super ph"........ it was not only my fault completely, but as a daily reminder it's skull sits on desk with "you are one dumbsumabitch" written on it in black magic marker. And how it came to be was that summer we had way too many bears at the house and our parking lot about 50 x 150 had the trash at the end in cans. The yearling bear no more than 130 pounds had the box with pizza crusts and eating when she who must be obeyed screamed the bears are back and going to eat our kids. I went out the garage and grabbed my walking stick. That I made and walked over to the bear and poked him. He must have been real hungry cause he chose to fight instead of flight. I did quite a bit of whuppin' and a whompin' and I thought he gave up. I turned my back and was about 15 feet away when he gave it the " up yours" and took my 6'41/2" 260 pound ass right off my feet and put me down hard sinking fang above the right ankle. I got him off me by kicking him in the face with my left foot. I unfortunately had to end his life when wouldn't leave and lunged at me right after I pulled my 5 shot hammer less 357 s&w out and put one right in the middle of the skull. It was all my fault..?No excuses.
You said the the bear was shot three times. So what did your friend shoot him with? Something tiny? And if you now say that it was the pussy client who ran off when "the outfitter with no name" who fired and hit the bear then explain why "no name" was attempting to Jack a new round in the chamber when he was in the process of being eaten and if he did shoot then as a big time hunter why was the animal still alive to get some lunch ? They were traveling by boat so if the client was a coward and ran away didn't he run to the boat? When your chews jump friend came out to get the
Phone to call the coastguard wasn't he about?
The "non disclosure agreement" that is a late comer to this twisted story is extremely ridiculous as is how the rifle company got involved in this convoluted tale. You said he didn't sue then how did a company 1000+ miles away even hear about it? I will tell you right now that unless it was a lawyer started an action against the manufacturer they don't ever look for ways to throw money away. Are you aware that it is against the law for a lawyer to write a "NDA" that, in any way, shape of form attempts to coerce anyone to be absolutely quiet on anything that can be harmful to people or the environment ? You have sworn that it was a deffectively designed and built firearm that caused this problem...so why haven't you or the "unknown, unnamed super guide" pinned that " unknown rifle company's " ears back and saved your fellow hunters instead of posting rubbish like this?
So at this site there's what... about 60 thousand member and out of that 60k I would guess that maybe 40 thousand use a push feed rifle and you .yammered out that they will get be getting everyone in their party killed by rampaging beasts because of their weapon choicce.
About 10 years ago a father brought his son in and put a 458wm on lay-away. This June a full grown young manand his father will come see me and pick up his dangerous game rifle that he has saved up for and paid off and it is a push feed........ and you'd like to bust his bubble.
Someone else here would go after the round....
It's ironic that you say nobody has insulted me or my friend and then you go on to do that exact thing by using the "allegedly shot three times", "super guide" and "self proclaimed super ph" and "So what did your friend shoot him with? Something tiny?" statements. As well as rudely telling me I have dug a hole. I have only defended myself and my friend from warrant-less attacks and assumptions made without the whole story.
This thread wasn't supposed to be about the details of the attack. It was about rifle failures. Since some people on this site refuse to believe that a PF can be a problem, they and you make statements about the attack and then I have to keep clarifying and correcting those false assumptions and statements. THAT is why you think the story keeps moving along. The story hasn't changed but I am forced to give more and more details about the attack. I will give more now to hopefully stop rude people from insulting him.
He wasn't shooting something "tiny" unless you call a .416 tiny. You also seem to lack a basic understanding of bear hunting and hunting in general. His main boat was anchored miles away. We glass the beaches from small skiffs. Skiffs and their motors make noise and we must watch the wind direction. A big bear was spotted on a beach. They beached the skiff a long way downwind and out of earshot from the bear and then hiked into the wind towards the bear. Once they were close, the hunter then made a poor hit on the bear with a .375 H&H, even with a good rest. The guide then took a shot at a RUNNING BEAR as it streaked towards the forest. The guide hit the bear but obviously it wasn't a quickly fatal hit. Are you going to beat him down about this too? It was a very difficult running shot as ANYONE with any kind of true hunting experience can appreciate. The guide did nothing wrong, he did the stalk and set up the hunter perfectly. The hunter made a poor shot.
The guide told the hunter to stay on the beach and to come and help if he heard problems or if the guide called for him. At this point, the proper protocol is to leave the hunter at the edge of the timber and the guide looks for the bear without the hunter. The reasons for this are many but the most important reason is that if the bear isn't dead (and nobody knows for sure at this point) and the bear has set up an ambush, it will charge at the first sound it hears. Most hunters are noisy. It is incredibly important that the guide make zero noise. These coastal rain forests of old-growth timber are full of moss on every surface, downed logs and lots of other noisy, slippery obstacles. If you have a hunter with you, most of whom are inexperienced dealing with a dangerous wounded animal at close range and the stress that it entails, the two of you can't be as quiet and the guide is at risk of being shot by a hunter that slips and falls. It is not a safe situation for most hunters. This is what the guide is paid for but it's something that nobody wants to do.
As for the bear, it will either keep moving if it isn't fatally hit or, if fatally hit and hurting quite bad, it will seek some heavy cover at some point and be watching it's back trail to defend itself in ambush. These bears are in self-defense mode and full of adrenaline, as you can imagine. As the guide slowly and silently tracked the bear, he at first was happy that the spoor was in fairly open timber but then, to his dismay, the spoor turned 90 degrees and headed into a thicket. It is at this point that the bear either saw the guide or heard something. The guide heard a branch snap and he knew immediately that the bear was coming for him. He raised the rifle and the bear came into sight almost immediately. These bears come super fast and streak at you low to the ground, they aren't standing as Hollywood likes to portray. The guide got off a good shot at very close range but the bear was on him in an instant and rolled him backwards. This is the point where the rifle problem occurred and he wasn't able to shoot the bear again and was forced to us the rifle like a stick. As you can imagine, he started yelling and screaming as the bear attacked him. The hunter, a Mexican national, got scared and panicked when he heard the commotion. The hunter went back to the skiff that was well down the beach, leaving my friend for dead. As I stated in earlier posts, the bear finally stopped attacking him and laid down. My friend, without a functioning rifle and realizing that the hunter had left him for dead, decided to break protocol. He got up as best he could and hobbled away from the bear with a mangled foot and with his other leg badly damaged in the thigh area. His hands and arms were also bloodied. You are not supposed to run from a bear but he thought he had no choice and didn't want to bleed out right there with nobody coming to help him. Obviously, as it turned out, it worked out for him. Luckily, the bear did not get up. He made it to the beach, called the Coast Guard on his handheld radio (not a phone as you mistakenly stated- there is little phone service in the SE Alasksa island bays and I can't believe I have to mention this fact) and passed out for a while. This all transpired within a matter of minutes. He later woke up and staggered down the beach and ran into his 18 year-old nephew. The nephew had been in the skiff with them and was tending to the skiff to keep it from making noise on the rocks along the beach. When the hunter returned to the skiff, the nephew took his gun and went searching for the guide.
All of this really has nothing to do with the rifle but since people keep accusing me of adding to the story, I figured I would just tell the WHOLE DAMN THING and stop the bitching!
As for bad shooting, when a brown bear is hit poorly on the first shot, it can go badly once in a while and from then on, a big brown bear, full of adrenaline, can soak up a lot of normally fatal shots. I think this is commonly known in the hunting industry with all dangerous game animals. Sometimes you just can't stop that charge. My friend did nothing wrong.
The manufacturer was contacted by the gunsmith. The manufacturer wanted the rifle and it was traded for the medical bills without lawyers. I think the manufacturer handled the situation very professionally. Part of the rifle's design has been altered and is no longer in production.
I have already apologized for making too bold of a statement about the safety of all PF rifles. I don't know what more I can say but I am sure someone will come up with some equally stupid statement that I will have to correct.
