Soooo you got a new President...

[RolandtheHeadless]

Greetings, Living the Dream. My name is Roland the Headless, and it's not by chance.

Hard sells and lost causes are my forte. Stand up for what you believe, I was raised, no matter if there are one or twenty against you.

I am no liberal, no Hillary fan or voter. I just believe that in the election of Trump, the worst disaster of our lifetimes is upon us, ranging up to nuclear war.

The problem is the man is insane and liable to do or say anything. . . anything at all. He has never been held to account for his word (which is worthless), but now he's in the position where his words mean everything to people around the world.

 

[LivingTheDream]

@RolandtheHeadless no worries man, and definitely stand up for what you believe. Time will tell if he is a disaster. I think his word does matter and so far with his cabinet picks and Supreme Court pick has kept his word on campaign promises. Which is why tax returns and what not doesn't bother me.

If you do feel we have an impending disaster coming, live the dream now, and I hope to see some great hunt reports from you!

 

[David Middleton]

All profits of overseas businesses while in office being donated to Fed. Donating salary to Fed can anyone tell me any other politician who has done that before? No matter what he does half the people will overlook the good to point out the bad. Republicans should be used to that just like hunters should be used to conversations with people who operate in ideology not logic!

 

[sestoppelman]

"If you pay attention, you will learn that he took a 9 million loss that was carried forward up to 5 years, so he owed no taxes."

So a mere $9 million loss carried over five years was enough to nullify Trump's tax liability? Hmm he hasn't done as well as he wants us to believe, this multi-billionaire.

Worrying about Trumps taxes is a form of insanity. WHO THE HELL CARES ABOUT HIS TAXES? I guarantee he paid more taxes than you and I and every member of this forum combined! For crying out loud get on with your life man!

 

[sestoppelman]

Greetings, Living the Dream. My name is Roland the Headless, and it's not by chance.

Hard sells and lost causes are my forte. Stand up for what you believe, I was raised, no matter if there are one or twenty against you.

I am no liberal, no Hillary fan or voter. I just believe that in the election of Trump, the worst disaster of our lifetimes is upon us, ranging up to nuclear war.

The problem is the man is insane and liable to do or say anything. . . anything at all. He has never been held to account for his word (which is worthless), but now he's in the position where his words mean everything to people around the world.

Tell you what Roland the Clueless.. if he is nuts, you will wind up in the bin before he does! LOL!

 

[BSO Dave]

I am no liberal, no Hillary fan or voter. I just believe that in the election of Trump, the worst disaster of our lifetimes is upon us, ranging up to nuclear war.

The problem is the man is insane and liable to do or say anything. . . anything at all. He has never been held to account for his word (which is worthless), but now he's in the position where his words mean everything to people around the world.

C'mon man! You can't be serious? The article you posted was spun by the author stoking more of the same mainstream media hysterical BS... Trump's comments in that O'Reilly interview were nothing more than Trump acknowledging that we should not be so naive as a country to think that we have not also engaged in getting blood on our hands in periods throughout our history. Frankly, I'm surprised that this is news to anybody accept the far left that believes that all the world's problems can be fixed with hugs and kisses? It wold be nice to live in the world of the far left where everything is rainbows and unicorns, but that is not reality. And as far as I am concerned, that is the biggest division between us in this country right now... Our individual perception of reality.

Now if you oppose his agenda, I can see why you would be critical, but there is no denying that he is the first president in a lifetime to actually make good on his campaign promises. He has accomplished more from his agenda in 50 days than the last 3 presidents have in their entire terms collectively... So, if you are against what he has accomplished to this point, then I can understand your concern. He's just getting warmed up. The only good thing about our border doors are that the gates swing both ways. All those not in favor are free to depart at any time. I am still waiting on all of those anti-Trump folks to make good on their promises to use this option.

And lastly, don't confuse personal income tax with paying taxes in general. Trump has admittedly used the current tax codes to his personal advantage just like Soros, Gates, Zuckerberg, and thousands of other filthy rich liberals in this country. Why no outrage there?

Any smart business owner millionaire or not, is incorporated for personal protection against lawsuits and tax advantage. But, don't kid yourself thinking Trump doesn't pay millions in revenue in various other forms of taxes from the corporations themselves outside of his personal income.

 

[RUGER77]

Tell you what Roland the Clueless.. if he is nuts, you will wind up in the bin before he does! LOL!

You sound like Trump with the name calling remember Little Marco, Lying Ted, the list goes on. You say Roland will wind up in the bin first what else do you see in your crystal ball?

 

[ActionBob]

Even if it is true, is it Trump's fault for taking advantage of a draconian tax code?

That tax code has built the greatest economy the Earth has ever seen. Yes there are major problems with it... The biggest I see of late is the huge and unjust tax also known as Obama Care. If you like killing off American jobs, do more of that

It is pointed out on this thread many times that there are many more taxes paid than income tax. And the largest sums are paid by those who have had the most ambition and biggest balls to go out into the World and build a business. The Draconian taxes are the ones that punish success by taxing assets. Such as death taxes and property taxes.... Often making it impossible for families to hang onto things that the family (or a particular member of that family) worked hard to create.

Income tax is about the most fair and just tax there is..... There are provisions in those tax codes that encourage the growth of business' and that is how new jobs are created.

To further understand Trump's situation.... Anyone who really understands how business and proper, legal accounting works, knows that a tax return is by no means the best way to look at a business' profitability.

Trump cannot disclose his tax records without creating more confusion and mis-information. The liberal news media will use it to tear him apart without understanding what it really means. And most average citizens will not understand either. There will be less truth and understanding, not more.

I never liked Trump and certainly would rather rather have had a number of other Republican candidates to choose from. But he is our president. And the man can get things done, he does seem to be on a real mission to fulfill his campaign promises, for better or worse. You do have to admire that, as pointed out he may be the first president to take that so seriously. I do wish the hell he would stop campaigning, and the left would stop thinking they can somehow change the results of the election

 

[Brent in Az]

Unfortunately, many of the current tax codes are crushing the middle class. The poor, milk the welfare system, and the rich(corporate), take advantage of tax loopholes, and negotiated tax breaks. The middle class feeds the Federal monster. Obama almost doubled the Federal debt. Somebody has to pay the piper.

Guess who?

 

[larry4831]

I believe Donald Trump is a lot better than the alternative.

 

[sestoppelman]

You sound like Trump with the name calling remember Little Marco, Lying Ted, the list goes on. You say Roland will wind up in the bin first what else do you see in your crystal ball?

Oh boo hoo!!

 

[woods1126]

It was actually a 916 million dollar loss Trump took, not 9 million. By what I have read, it was a true loss. Anyway, I'm thinking "Headless" was a Bernie fan, if he's actually telling the truth about not voting for Killary. Kevin

 

[Wheels]

Greetings, Living the Dream. My name is Roland the Headless, and it's not by chance.

Hard sells and lost causes are my forte. Stand up for what you believe, I was raised, no matter if there are one or twenty against you.
.

RTH,

Just curious, is your moniker from the Warren Zevlon song?

 

[ActionBob]

The poor, milk the welfare system

Yes you are correct.. I was listening to a more liberal (but not rabid) radio talk/news show one night during one of my long drives... They were discussing how to get the unemployment rate down. A female economist was one of the guests and she very matter of factly stated that in order to do that, unemployment benefits and welfare programs for the unemployed would need to be cut way back... of course she was immediately besieged on those points... How will people live, etc. She simply pointed out that how they would live was not the question. The question was how ot get unemployment down and the only way to do that in the then present situation (And I would argue the current one in the USA) was to cut benefits to force people to go back to work.

Anyone who travels around the middle part of the US has to be able to tell that there are a lot of jobs available. Not always the jobs people want, but someone who really wants a job can find one. In my World, unemployment is a choice. Not very PC, but that is how it is.

Unfortunately, many of the current tax codes are crushing the middle class.

May be true but that is where most of the money will always come from, unless you socialize businesses or find some other way to tax them further and force them to stay doing business and doing it in the USA. We can look around the World and history to see how well that has worked, Venezuela and of course Zimbabwe being somewhat recent examples. Cuba and North Korea still stand out. Perhaps China's model? How would you like to be middle class in one of those countries?

However I agree there is a real burden on the middle class. But I would argue it is a result of over spending (as you pointed out in the first point above), not under taxing any segment.

and the rich(corporate), take advantage of tax loopholes, and negotiated tax breaks.

This is where I mostly disagree. I'm not sure which tax loopholes you are speaking of.... The example of Trump carrying losses forward, or I assume income averaging on his taxes... Is not a loophole, it is a pretty well thought out tool in the tax code designed to keep the economy working. Especially for businesses that typically experience the ups and downs of a modern capitalist economy. Now yes in true Capitalism, those who could not withstand the downturn would go out of business and those who had the foresight and cash reserves to survive would grow as a result.... I'm sure many would might complain about a tax break in the form of income averaging, will also be some of the first to also complain that small businesses get squeezed out and the big get bigger.

As for negotiated tax breaks, yea that may be a tool used by many communities to entice businesses to stay, or expand, or come to build in their area instead of others. Hell just look at how the big sports stadiums are built..... And I suspect Trump used some of these negotiating to keep manufacturers from leaving to relocate factories in other countries. Are they bad? I suspect that depends upon how it is affecting you.

There is a lot of room for further explanation and understanding, for those who really care to see the whole truth.

Now I don't know any details at all about Trumps taxes. But for all the things I don't like about him, tax issues are not included.

For the record, I do hope he becomes the best president this country has seen in decades. He is doing a lot that looks good, just wish he would stop being his own worse enemy

 

[Dragan N.]

ActionBob, I personally think it would be a bad idea to get rid of the welfare system as a whole but the biggest problem from my perspective at least in Canada is that physically and mentally able bodied people who are on welfare aren't required to work. I.E. having the government put them to work cleaning parks etc... It was, if I am not mistaken, ruled to be against their constitutional rights

Each month they get a card with 75o on it, can get government housing (paying drastically reduced rent), if they don't have a place to live- i.e. with parents, family etc... The average cost of renting an apartment in the GTA is like 1000-1200 a month, which people on welfare don't pay and on top of that they get an additional 750 a month for not doing anything. Lots of them work under the table and if they're making $10 an hour cash combined with their welfare earnings and reduced rent they have a better "income" than somebody making like 20-30 an hour or more. Also add in the fact that some people who are on welfare also deal drugs- an "income" they certainly don't pay any taxes on...

 

[Brent in Az]

Unemployment payouts in many states rivals what a person could make at a minimum wage job. Not much of an incentive for the lazy to get off the couch and go to work.

Then you have the Liberal strongholds, like Seattle, and San Francisco. In they're infinite wisdom, decided to raise the minimum wage to $15 per hour. Now they are shocked that the Mocha Latte they ordered costs $2 more.

Liberal policy failures.

The Democrats are scared witless, that Trump will do great things. The Dem's are powerless, and all they have is a verbal assault, and demonizing Trump's every move. The Lamestream media has sunk to the lowest of lows.

 

[ActionBob]

ActionBob, I personally think it would be a bad idea to get rid of the welfare system as a whole but the biggest problem from my perspective at least in Canada is that physically and mentally able bodied people who are on welfare aren't required to work. I.E. having the government put them to work cleaning parks etc... It was, if I am not mistaken, ruled to be against their constitutional rights

Each month they get a card with 75o on it, can get government housing (paying drastically reduced rent), if they don't have a place to live- i.e. with parents, family etc... The average cost of renting an apartment in the GTA is like 1000-1200 a month, which people on welfare don't pay and on top of that they get an additional 750 a month for not doing anything. Lots of them work under the table and if they're making $10 an hour cash combined with their welfare earnings and reduced rent they have a better "income" than somebody making like 20-30 an hour or more. Also add in the fact that some people who are on welfare also deal drugs- an "income" they certainly don't pay any taxes on...

Dragan I don't think we should get rid of the welfare system either. But I know for sure it has gotten out of control. And in many US States, a lot worse than you mention. I think in Minnesota the number is something like $42,000 per year you have to earn to break even with having a the full ride on welfare

And as you mention, the drugs etc. go along with it. In fact, I heard from a police officer from one of the larger regional cities here that they have a real problem with people from Chicago who establish a residence here in our mid sized cities with buss and Amtrack service. They collect their welfare checks in Chicago, then come here once a month to collect Minnesota welfare also. And bring their drugs to peddle with. And our whacko liberal governor allows it. However please don't judge all of Minnesota by it's urban dominated liberal politics

 

[RolandtheHeadless]

Names and insults make no impression here, unless they're clever and original. Haven't seen anything that qualifies.

 

[RolandtheHeadless]

Did anyone read that article I posted? It's from the NATIONAL REVIEW. You know, the NATIONAL REVIEW, a conservative bastion.

Trump equated US killers with Putin and his killers. An equivalence of US and Russian actions.

Who's side is he on, anyway?

 

[RolandtheHeadless]

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