Shooters under attack in Australia

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Had a letter this morning

This sounds very much the same as here in the UK

Got a letter this morning from the Uk gov from a pertion I signed.

Government responded:
Government responded:

The Government has committed to a public consultation on strengthening licensing controls on shotguns. We will consider all views submitted during the consultation before deciding on further action.

The Government recognises that shotguns and firearms are used for a range of legitimate purposes, such as target shooting and hunting, and the vast majority are used safely and responsibly. We also recognise that shooting contributes to the rural economy.

The Government is, however, mindful that legally held shotguns have been used in a number of homicides and other incidents in recent years including the fatal shootings in Keyham, Plymouth, in August 2021. It is for this reason that we committed to having a public consultation on strengthening the licensing controls on shotguns, to bring them more into line with controls on other firearms in the interests of public safety. We announced this on 13 February 2025 when we published the Government response to the 2023 firearms licensing consultation which had been run by the previous Government.

Recommendations relating to strengthening shotgun controls had been made to the Government by the Coroner in his preventing future deaths report issued in May 2023 and followed the inquest into the deaths of those who were shot and killed in Plymouth in August 2021. Similar recommendations on shotgun controls were also made in the report by the Independent Office for Police Conduct following its investigation into the Plymouth shootings, and by the Scottish Affairs Committee in its report following a fatal shooting with a shotgun in Skye in August 2022.

We intend to publish the consultation shortly. No decisions have yet been made on whether and what changes might be necessary. We will consider carefully the views put forward during the consultation once it is completed, before deciding what further action to take. We will also provide an impact assessment in relation to any changes that the Government intends to bring forward after the consultation, in the normal way.

Public safety is our priority, and our focus on shotguns and other firearms sits alongside the Government’s aim to halve knife crime in the next decade, which forms a part of the Government’s Safer Street Mission. We are driving an ambitious programme of work focusing on prevention and enforcement, as well as strengthening knife legislation. This includes banning weapons that have no place on our streets, targeting irresponsible sellers, giving the police more powers to deal with those supplying and owning weapons for violent purposes, intervening earlier to stop young people being drawn into crime, and bringing together experts through the Knife-Enabled Robbery Taskforce and the Coalition to Tackle Knife Crime.

Home Office

So BASC came back with this:

The Government has issued a response to a petition against proposals to merge shotgun and firearms licensing, which was signed by more than 100,000 people.

BASC, commenting on the Government’s response to a petition signed by more than 100,000 people calling for shotguns to remain subject to section 2 licensing rules, said that it demonstrates a misunderstanding of how firearms licensing operates and raises serious concerns that ministers are seeking to reduce the lawful private ownership of firearms.

The Government cites public safety as justification for the consultation, yet the test for public safety is the same for shotgun and rifle certificate holders.

The Government also cites the tragic mass killing in Keyham as justification, but that occurred because the local police licensing department was a “dangerous shambles” with staff expected to learn on the job. The department couldn’t operate its own risk matrix, issued a certificate to the murderer, revoked it following an assault, and then reissued it after the completion of an online course. None of these failures would have been prevented by changing shotgun licensing rules.

Furthermore, it is bizarre to see the criminal use of knives referenced in the Government’s response to a petition about law-abiding shotgun owners complying with firearms licensing law. It is a worrying reminder of the attitudes that exist in parts of the Home Office towards the farmers, land managers, pest controllers and gamekeepers who rely on shotguns as essential tools of the trade, and the rural jobs and conservation work that depend on them.

If the Government was really serious about public safety, it would be consulting on how to fix a failing and inconsistent police firearms licensing system, rather than imposing new restrictions on responsible people who comply with the law.

BASC is committed to working constructively with government to ensure public safety – it is not in the interests of the shooting community for the wrong people to have guns – but proposals must be evidence-led, proportionate and targeted at genuine risk. We will oppose any change that seeks to solve the wrong problem, harms the rural economy and is not based on evidence.

We look forward to MPs unpacking these points with the responsible minister in the forthcoming debate.

 

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Were all getting it in the ear some just more than others

 

[Deleted member 43552]

If you don’t have a Bill of individuals rights in your constitution you don’t have any rights at all.

 

[Sideshow]

For those guys here who want to help out with the gun laws across the ditch in NZ sign here please cheers. You don’t need to comment just sign up and tell them your a hunter.

https://www.colfo.org/arms-bill-generator

 

[Flbt]

If you don’t have a Bill of individuals rights in your constitution you don’t have any rights at all.

When politicians do away with your constitutional rights
And they stay in office
You don’t have any either

 

[steve white]

For those guys here who want to help out with the gun laws across the ditch in NZ sign here please cheers. You don’t need to comment just sign up and tell them your a hunter.

https://www.colfo.org/arms-bill-generator

Wouldn't let me complete it all the way...

 

[R eight]

For those guys here who want to help out with the gun laws across the ditch in NZ sign here please cheers. You don’t need to comment just sign up and tell them your a hunter.

https://www.colfo.org/arms-bill-generator

I regularly provide feedback to the NZ laws. I did the herds of special interest a few months back and did the latest one on feedback regarding changes to the firearm laws (which closes tomorrow)

I’d be surprised if I was the only Aussie barstard doing it.

 

[Sideshow]

I regularly provide feedback to the NZ laws. I did the herds of special interest a few months back and did the latest one on feedback regarding changes to the firearm laws (which closes tomorrow)

I’d be surprised if I was the only Aussie barstard doing it.

Yeah sorry guys there are a few hoops to jump through to do this. If you want to help. I’ll post how here.

 

[Sideshow]

Note that the submissions end on the 16th Feb (15th Northern Hemisphere). In other words, this needs to be done either today or tomorrow. I thought it was going to be an annoyance but COLFO have made it really easy. Easy submission generator: https://www.colfo.org/arms-bill-generator Upon completion, the submission will be emailed to you (check spam). Please use the free online redaction tool after completing the form to redact your email address. To do this, upload your submission to the free tool, then simply drag the thick black line over your email address and then save the edited doc (will pay to rename it slightly): https://smallpdf.com/redact-pdf Submit the document to government here: https://www3.parliament.nz/en/ECommitteeSubmission/54SCJUST_SCF_E30C016E-D93C-439D-8EFA-08DE360DAD5F/CreateSubmission Thanks guys. All the best.

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[Rule 303]

Did it yesterday, but what a goat fuck had to convert my submission into a PDF or some other claptrap.

 

[Sideshow]

Did it yesterday, but what a goat fuck had to convert my submission into a PDF or some other claptrap.

Yeah they don’t want it to be easy

 

[Doug Hamilton]

Did it yesterday, but what a goat fuck had to convert my submission into a PDF or some other claptrap.

I tried to, but I never could figure out how to submit it.

 

[Rule 303]

I tried to, but I never could figure out how to submit it.

If it wasn't for the wife my submission would still be sitting in my computer. It was converting the file to PDF etc that had me stuffed.

 

[Flbt]

I tried to, but I never could figure out how to submit it.

Me to I tried but could not do it.
But I am computer dumb.

 

[Doug Hamilton]

Me to I tried but could not do it.
But I am computer dumb.

Yeah. I usually say.I'm 71 and "technologically challenged."

 

[Flbt]

Yeah. I usually say.I'm 71 and "technologically challenged."

Lol dumb
Was easier to spell

 

[analog_peninsula]

I believe Google docs and probably MS Word will let you export as PDF.

Export Word document as PDF - Microsoft Support

Download your Word document as a PDF

support.microsoft.com

 

[Vinootz]

One day when I was in Belize I was walking near the beach and met a very nice Australian. A young woman, she was a little upset because she had seen a local carrying a machete. She told me that would not be permitted where she lived. I pointed out to.her that we were in a jungle and a machete was just a tool like any other. This was probably about 10 years ago, but I knew that Australia was already clamping down on the owners of firearms. I went on to tell her that Australia was too fixated on inanimate objects instead of people with bad intent and that they were depriving the citizens their rights and their heritage. I don't know if I convinced her but she did say she would think about what I had said.

I don’t even bother trying with those type of minds. They are too consumed with trying to twist everything into their narrative . It’ll be better when they are just erased from this planet, because that is what they are trying to do to others and their traditions and lifestyles.

 

[Vinootz]

All countries under the realm of the Crown will inevitably have their firearms taken away. In the states we kicked the Crown and their bullshit repressing manner out 250 years ago.
Now you add in opportunistic and or angry liberals (and their lies n fantasies) and you all are pretty much screwed. Wake up over there, your way of life is being erased one shaving at a time. Here in the states too. But we grab our balls and fight back better in the US. Time for countries under the realm of the Royals to say F&$k you . Get more organized and fight for what you believe in. They expect that when you are gone your offspring will be too indoctrinated and useless against them. Sad but true.

 

[analog_peninsula]

The irony is that the very people who want to restrict firearms ownership are the ones who are opposed to holding criminals accountable for their actions.

When you allow environment to be an absolute excuse for aggressively anti-social behavior, you open the door to hell. People are supposed to overcome hardship, to rise above their previous circumstances, and to strive for self-improvement, not collapse into a pile of aggrieved self-pity wailing about how the world "owes" them. There are a number of crimes that should never be excused, because there are no excuses for committing them. When your run a chop shop, you have made a conscious decision to be a career criminal, and to live as a parasite at the expense of your fellow citizens. That's very different than a teen succumbing to temptation and making a bad decision. The latter just needs to be grabbed by the scruff of the neck and shaken a bit. The former deserves no mercy, nor do professional thieves, armed robbers, or the more heinous offenders.

The road to heaven is giving people freedom, then holding them accountable for their actions. Individuals have agency, and should be expected to use it wisely. The attempt to make the world idiot-proof inevitably leads to the very idiocy the unthinking the policies are intended to prevent.

Consider modern American "justice". If you are a respectable citizen, a criminal conviction, even minor, will have a devastating effect on your life. You are likely to lose your job, and essentially become unemployable in your chosen profession, which will lead to economic and social disaster. On the other hand, if you are personally dysfunctional and already have four or five convictions, you're unlikely to do much time, and there's no meaningful change in your status. We've created an asymmetrical system of punishment that's devastating to the responsible, and insignificant to the criminal, a total inversion of sane policy and values.

You can't make up this stuff.