Resurrecting the 270 Win

[CoElkHunter]

@CoElkHunter
You could always use a tapered Lee expander and neck those little 270 cases up to 35 and have some good Whelen cases. Lube the necks and I t can be done in one pass.
I can see the nightmares continuing!!

Ha! Ha! If I necked them up to .338 for my .338 bullets, would they be a .338 Whelen or .338-.270?

 

[CoElkHunter]

@HuntingGold
Go the 1 in 8 twist. I think Woodleigh makes a 180 grain 270 projectiles. You would t hhen have a long action 6.8 Westener.
Bob
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Nice! Something for HuntingGold to think about?

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

Ha! Ha! If I necked them up to .338 for my .338 bullets, would they be a .338 Whelen or .338-.270?

@CoElkHunter
Or 20 tho off a 35. No extra effort required. You really really need a 35 Whelen mate. I can see another night time mare coming on for y o u that w I'll continue into the day time until you get one.
A 33 ain't a 35 so it don't count.
Bob

 

[CoElkHunter]

@HuntingGold
Go the 1 in 8 twist. I think Woodleigh makes a 180 grain 270 projectiles. You would t hhen have a long action 6.8 Westener.
Bob
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Nice! Something for HuntingGold to think about?

@CoElkHunter
Or 20 tho off a 35. No extra effort required. You really really need a 35 Whelen mate. I can see another night time mare coming on for y o u that w I'll continue into the day time until you get one.
A 33 ain't a 35 so it don't count.
Bob

Like this one? I would no more have bought this for that price than parachute over OZ during the monsoon season!

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

Nice! Something for HuntingGold to think about?

Like this one? I would no more have bought this for that price than parachute over OZ during the monsoon season!

@CoElkHunter
That's the going price in OZ for one like that.
I will sell you a full custom Whelen AI for 1,100 dollars complete with dies and 60 fire formed cases. For an extra 50 bucks I would throw in a pound of cfe223 and some 225 grain Sierra game kings. You should be able to get them going at close on 3k Fps..
Your up and about late. Are you trying to avoid nightmares
Bob

 

[CoElkHunter]

@CoElkHunter
That's the going price in OZ for one like that.
I will sell you a full custom Whelen AI for 1,100 dollars complete with dies and 60 fire formed cases. For an extra 50 bucks I would throw in a pound of cfe223 and some 225 grain Sierra game kings. You should be able to get them going at close on 3k Fps..
Your up and about late. Are you trying to avoid nightmares
Bob

That's a great deal! But then you would be rifleless? You need to keep that because your the .35 Whelen legend here on AH! And yes, I'm up late because it's my day off and since I slept half the day, I'm wide awake and there's nothing else to do but torture others here on AH and avoid nightmares. And, why is it nightMARES vs. nightSTALLIONS?
And, I never thought about the nightmares tonight until you started posting on this. Ha! Ha!

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

That's a great deal! But then you would be rifleless? You need to keep that because your the .35 Whelen legend here on AH! And yes, I'm up late because it's my day off and since I slept half the day, I'm wide awake and there's nothing else to do but torture others here on AH and avoid nightmares. And, why is it nightMARES vs. nightSTALLIONS?
And, I never thought about the nightmares tonight until you started posting on this. Ha! Ha!

@CoElkHunter
No I wouldn't be with out a Whelen.
I would still have my savage Whelen.
What would be a good time to call you, the usual after 3 your time ok.
Bob

 

[CoElkHunter]

@CoElkHunter
No I wouldn't be with out a Whelen.
I would still have my savage Whelen.
What would be a good time to call you, the usual after 3 your time ok.
Bob

@CoElkHunter
No I wouldn't be with out a Whelen.
I would still have my savage Whelen.
What would be a good time to call you, the usual after 3 your time ok.
Bob

Yep, after 3 is great.

 

[bruce moulds]

bob,
you might need to shorten the necks if you neck up 270 brass to the 358 springfield.
bruce.

 

[HuntingGold]

We are clearly running off topic.... but hey I gotta comment.

I have two .30-06 rifles in my safe that were bought to be donor actions for future projects like the .270 build I mentioned earlier. Multiple times I have considered a 35 Whelen build OR having one rebored to 35 Whelen by JES reboring (www.35Caliber.com). It's an intriguing caliber but I cannot think of an application (for me) that I would need it over my .270 or .280 AI. I now have the .375 H&H to cover the bigger stuff the two prior wouldn't cover. The other issue is what we are now seeing in our Sporting Goods stores... the lack of components. I've made the decision to simplify my reloading room as opposed to diversify. The house is quiet now, maybe I'll go pull out a reloading manual to re-examine my decision. Either way, the .270 will stay as a prominent rifle in my repertoire.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

We are clearly running off topic.... but hey I gotta comment.

I have two .30-06 rifles in my safe that were bought to be donor actions for future projects like the .270 build I mentioned earlier. Multiple times I have considered a 35 Whelen build OR having one rebored to 35 Whelen by JES reboring (www.35Caliber.com). It's an intriguing caliber but I cannot think of an application (for me) that I would need it over my .270 or .280 AI. I now have the .375 H&H to cover the bigger stuff the two prior wouldn't cover. The other issue is what we are now seeing in our Sporting Goods stores... the lack of components. I've made the decision to simplify my reloading room as opposed to diversify. The house is quiet now, maybe I'll go pull out a reloading manual to re-examine my decision. Either way, the .270 will stay as a prominent rifle in my repertoire.

@hunting Gold
The 35 Whelen is an amazing cartridge especially when I loaded to its full potential with modern powders and components. It will send 225 grain projectiles down range at up to 2,950fps and 250 grainers at 2,700fps as well as 275s at up to 2500 fps. This makes the humble Whelen an entirely different kettle of fish.
The 270 loaded with a 180 grain Woodleigh in a fast twist barrel would also be a great round with amazing penetration .
Both cartridges will a m axe y ou with their performance.
Bob.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

We are clearly running off topic.... but hey I gotta comment.

I have two .30-06 rifles in my safe that were bought to be donor actions for future projects like the .270 build I mentioned earlier. Multiple times I have considered a 35 Whelen build OR having one rebored to 35 Whelen by JES reboring (www.35Caliber.com). It's an intriguing caliber but I cannot think of an application (for me) that I would need it over my .270 or .280 AI. I now have the .375 H&H to cover the bigger stuff the two prior wouldn't cover. The other issue is what we are now seeing in our Sporting Goods stores... the lack of components. I've made the decision to simplify my reloading room as opposed to diversify. The house is quiet now, maybe I'll go pull out a reloading manual to re-examine my decision. Either way, the .270 will stay as a prominent rifle in my repertoire.

@hunting Gold
Check out the Speer, Nosler and Sierra reload sights for Whelen loads. The other are pretty anemic compared to them.

This will give you an idea what it will do. Puts the Whelen up into and past the 338 win mag performance.
Bob

 

[bruce moulds]

it could be argued that if you need a heavier bullet that 150 gn in 270, you need a bigger gun.
for so many reasons.
bruce.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

it could be argued that if you need a heavier bullet that 150 gn in 270, you need a bigger gun.
for so many reasons.
bruce.

@bruce moulds
We could argue about it until the cows come home mate but with woodleigh making the 180 grain PPSP it would be great in the new fangled 6.8 westener. If someone was rebarreling their 270 or WSM with a fast twist barrel it would be interesting to try.
Yes you could go a bigger gun or go home but where's the fun in that experimenting with different projectiles is fun.
Sticking to the same bullet all the time is like having sex in the same position all the time, it might be satisfying but it sure gets boring .
Bob

 

[bruce moulds]

bob,
that bullet would be all but useless on smaller species, and only start to be useful at the point where the calibre is starting to become insufficient..
when you get to my age, sex in any position is pretty much off the radar.
bruce.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

bob,
that bullet would be all but useless on smaller species, and only start to be useful at the point where the calibre is starting to become insufficient..
when you get to my age, sex in any position is pretty much off the radar.
bruce.

@bruce moulds.
I know this is off thread but you need a laugh
Sex guide by age.
20 to 30 Tri-weekly
30 to 60 Try weekly
At our age try Weakly
But remember once a king always a king but once a night is enough
Bob

 

[CoElkHunter]

@bruce moulds
We could argue about it until the cows come home mate but with woodleigh making the 180 grain PPSP it would be great in the new fangled 6.8 westener. If someone was rebarreling their 270 or WSM with a fast twist barrel it would be interesting to try.
Yes you could go a bigger gun or go home but where's the fun in that experimenting with different projectiles is fun.
Sticking to the same bullet all the time is like having sex in the same position all the time, it might be satisfying but it sure gets boring .
Bob

Ha! Ha! Ha!

 

[Tom Leoni]

I've always admired the .270 Win from a distance. With the 150-gr bullet, it gives you a sectional density of .279, .008 higher than the versatile 180-grainer in .30 caliber. Velocity is around 2,800 fps, giving you a scanty 7" drop at 300 yards, a distance beyond which in my book hunting becomes sniping.

I am in the gun industry and I understand the excitement about new calibers (e.g., the 6.5s in the 2010s, the WSMs and WSSMs in the early 2000s, etc.). So I get why among some shooters, calibers like .30-06 and .270 are yawn-inducing. Plus, the .270, while used by the tens of thousands of sportsmen in Africa, does not have the Golden Age allure of a .275, a 6.5x54 or the .375 H&H. Oh, and nobody famous (that I know of) ever took an elephant with it, thereby shutting it categorically out of the African Hall of Fame--while it not being a military cartridge also precludes it from being associated with a historical conflict, or even with a cool surplus rifle.

Yet, for game up to and including kudu or leopard, I can't think of a single thing wrong with the .270 and plenty of reasons to have one, provided that I stay within the 150-gr range bullet-wise.

But I've said I've always admired it from a distance, because I'm a fan of cartridges that have some kind of historical or even exotic appeal, and the .270 falls short (at least for me). When I think of the .270 I immediately make the association with 1960s Monte Carlo stocks, white spacers, high gloss finishes and skip-line checkering--in other words, the bell-bottom pants of the rifle world. I know this is very silly and grossly unfair, but there is something about someone's identification with certain calibers that goes well beyond the rational and well into the psychological--it's like affection and loyalty for certain brands that become "our thing." So my mind is with Jack O'Connor's pet cartridge, while my heart lies elsewhere.

 

[CoElkHunter]

6.8 Westerner, 6.8 Creedmoor (coming soon), 6.8 PRC (coming later), .27 Nosler, etc, and soon the shortened version of each of those. Then, just maybe, the super short of the shortened version. Next, all of the above in .280 caliber (short .28 Nosler) with a 1-5” barrel twist to shoot 250 grainers, after most of 6.8s disappear because they’ll become obsolete due to brassageddon, boredom and the hot new .28s. Maybe a .280 Weatherby, necked down from their .375 or .378? We can only dream?

 

[HuntingGold]

@Tom Leoni
I like your analysis.... Even if it hurts. My bell-bottoms were tight in the waist anyways.