Re-introducing Extinct Species

If I remember correctly from the podcast spouting off Mammoth DNA facts, I think they have a composite genome in total across all samples of some paltry sum, 8-11%. Just enough fragments and just enough knowledge of the complete elephant genome today to know how to do CRISPR on an elephant egg to make it a hairy, humpy elephant.

I'm sure that cloned blackfooted ferret was based upon a perfect sample extracted under sterile conditions versus a recovery of a decaying carcass. The contamination after a few hours post mortem is problematic because the sample then incorporates DNA of fungal, plant, and bacterial elements along with potential insect.

The dream of extinct species walking the earth is one that I've thought would be marvelous ever since Michael Crichton's book came out. Unfortunately, we don't even have the tech to bring back the 6-7 modern-era extinct North American Elk species, much less to bring back a 6000-10000 year old dead mammoth.

This guy does a pretty good job of explaining what is really taking place when someone talks about bringing back an extinct species in his "Dino-Chicken" Presentation.

“That guy” is Jack Horner, one of the most famous paleontologists of the late 20th century. He was also the paleontology advisor for Jurassic Park. I’m be had the pleasure of meeting him a couple times. :)

He came and gave his chicken talk when his book came out at the museum I work for. The work is definitely interesting. Moreso in that it demonstrates the latent non avian dinosaur traits still present in modern bird genomes.

Technically birds are dinosaurs so any creature you developed from chickens would still count. Though by playing semantics, hunting dove counts as hunting dinosaurs without all the labwork! It just wouldn’t be a Velociraptor mongolianensis or what have you, as you correctly stated earlier.

Anyhow, I completely agree that any claims to attempt to produce a mammoth are overstated. They also ignore some basic ecological facts when it comes to rewilding. I would hazard to guess that most, if not all, mammoths preserved in the tundra are woolly mammoths. Wooly mammoths ranged in northern latitudes (hence their occasional preservation in ice) however the correct mammoth to rewild the US with is the Colombian mammoth which was adapted to a warmer, more Southernly range.

All this talk of rewilding with cloned mammoths is about the wrong mammoth! :D

Wooly mammoth range in blue, Columbia’s mammoth range in red.

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Note: the Nazi/SS belt buckle on their uniforms allegedly bore the words" Gott mt Uns" God is with us
Hitler wanted a return to the old norse gods--held parades depicting that. The nazis were anything but Christian
 
All I wanted to talk about was hunting.
Can’t blame a leopard for having spots. ;)

To your original post, I would happily hunt both animals.

I wonder how best to hunt a mammoth? I’ve read a lot about hunting African elephant but mammoths were more closely related to Asian elephants. So I wonder what, if any, difference that would make?
 
Bangladesh forum members gave us the insight to Asian elephant hunts (rogue elephant).

There is not much difference in hunting two of them.
Both animals can grow to 6 tons size. So same calibers and guns to be used.
 
Bangladesh forum members gave us the insight to Asian elephant hunts (rogue elephant).

There is not much difference in hunting two of them.
Both animals can grow to 6 tons size. So same calibers and guns to be used.
Would 375 still be a minimum for a 10T Columbian mammoth or would we need to move up to the .40s?
 
Would 375 still be a minimum for a 10T Columbian mammoth or would we need to move up to the .40s?

Norweigan whaling crews were using 9.3x62 to dispatch harpooned biggest animal on earth. Blue whale.
Thus, 375 h&h i would still consider as reasonable minimum.
 
The Tasmanian tiger? No, not so much. A mammoth? If it was actually a legitimate mammoth and not, as @rookhawk says, a mutant variation of a modern elephant with more hair than it knows what to do with? Yes. Those tusks are far more impressive than an elephant's, I think. And admittedly Jurassic Park-style dinosaurs, those would be... acceptable to me. If they could actually happen.

Now, if they manage to bring back sabretooth cats? Sign me up. Hell with lions and leopards, I want those big ol' chompers on display.
@WebleyGreene455
Easy fixed mate. Make it yourself. A tiger skull with the canines removed and replaced with a small set of walrus tusks. Instant sabre tooth tiger.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha
Bob
 
the proposed "mammoth" will be tuskless to discourage hunting and poaching for ivory. Really lame imho
@wildwilderness
Might be tuskless but imagine the size of that wooly rug you would get to put in front of the fire to snuggle up to the wife for a romantic night. It would make a bear skin rug look small.
 
Actually, whether it is a clone or some kind of new species or hybrid, if something looking like a mammoth, roughly two times the size of an African elephant would be created. I don’t think the fact that it is not a “real mammoth “ would scare me away from trying to hunt one.

Just imagine all the discussions we could start with @Bob Nelson 35 Whelen if the .243 would suffice…
@VertigoBE
Would be an interesting discussion.
I wonder if old Karamojo Bell could be reincarnated to use his 275 Rigby on them.
The mind boggles.
Bob
 
@WebleyGreene455
Easy fixed mate. Make it yourself. A tiger skull with the canines removed and replaced with a small set of walrus tusks. Instant sabre tooth tiger.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha
Bob
I think getting a genuine smilodon would be easier than getting a tiger in today's world.

They do make 1:1 scale replicas of the skulls, though. Always wanted one.
 
I think anywhere in wider head and spine area. And if necessary, repeated.

I suppose that’s the trick with these discussions about minimums. In the right hands/conditions, nearly any caliber is sufficient for any animal shot in the brain and spine. So long as it can penetrate deep enough.

The real decider would probably have to be heart/lung shots.

Do you think 375 would have the cross body penetration needed for a 10T mammoth?
 
350 grain solid, in 375 H&H, yes. (broad side shot, not Texas heart shot), my 5c.
But we will never know...
 
350 grain solid, in 375 H&H, yes. (broad side shot, not Texas heart shot), my 5c.
But we will never know...
Of course, but it’s still a fun thought experiment.

It hinges a bit on the fact that while there were larger prehistoric mammals, their anatomy was not significantly different from what we have today.
 

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