Rare Breed should be expelled

[Uncontrolled_round_feed]

Humor is one thing that separates us from coffee tables. Embrace it.

My filter is gone for the night. I have chatted with numerous friends on here about this deal in private messages and in conversations. I conveyed the same in a private message to the purchaser/purchaser’s agent and we had a good chat over pm. This will be my last comment. Scout’s Honor. By the way, I was never a scout. My mom signed me up at church and before I even attended a meeting, some dork kept calling me about what kind of trail mix I wanted for some jamboree or something. I kick puppies and did not like the Boy Scouts as a child. Sorry.

OK, back to something of relevance. I did reach out to the buyer’s agent and told him that he/his BIL absolutely dodged a bullet on that purchase at the agreed upon price. The components did ease some of the pain, but ironically, that is the hang up now. I can say this now as Rare Breed has indicated he is not going to relist the gun here, but will list on GB or GI. Even if shipping is not worked out, with new knowledge, I would be doing backflips to be out a handful of hundreds on this $20,000 purchase.

Good day to all. I’m taking my tender merits like a man, or very masculine woman, and signing off. Carry on.

Thanks for your note. Very flawed individual personally but my word is my bond and I want no truck with a forum that allows the dishonest to remain. I’ve never met @franzfmdavis but want to support a forum that addresses grievances where there is clear dishonesty even if it’s from a popular fella

 

[MS 9x56]

This is why I always handle and personally inspect any and all firearms I am contemplating purchasing. I have no dog in this fight and say shame on them both. As for banishment I believe that is up to Jerome!

 

[WoodencrossIII]

People should remember that as it appears the rifle was somehow repaired by the previous owner. Why wasn’t it done to the rifle prior to shipment? Why would the quality be allowed to pass his hands to another fellow member at such a huge cost? For me it this behavior shouldn’t be given a blind eye as though it seems to me that some men can afford it and a $20k rifle is used simply as an old brush hunting rifle, oh well I guess my opinion shouldn’t matter much.

 

[Ontario Hunter]

Fellas keep posting this stuff of let two gentlemen sort it out themselves
The issue at hand is what if what if one of them is a scoundrel. Then it has to go public and the group must decide whether to expel the bad actor.
If ye keep thinking it should just be settled privately then go read the thread where the buyer got ripped off.
Otherwise these sorts of posts just reward the bad actor and have no element of justice

I agree. Just because some guys shoot elephants and traffic in double rifles, they MUST be "gentlemen." Actions speak louder than ... stereotypes. Or they should anyway.

 

[kpoynter]

Well…this escalated quickly…
Expelled??!!
This is crazy. This is a minor squabble over shipping of components at worst basically.
Insensitive to suggest if serious
I thought it was a joke thus read a page….
Didn’t read next page if this isn’t a joke..

 

[275r7x57]

I won’t to start off by stating that I do not personally know either party involved, the buyer or seller. I believe the facts have already been presented and hashed out on the other thread, so no use to continue here.

I personally have called for RB to be banned on the other thread. For this I apologize, I was out of line. With that said I believe banning or not banning should be decided by the moderators not the members.

I do not apologize for stating the facts, calling out an injustice or standing up for the wronged buyer. I unquestionably believe the facts put RB solely at fault. We have already judged RB enough. This has gone on too long. I hope and pray that RB will come back to the table and make things right with the buyer, it’s not to late.

It is very easy for us to cast stones, but none of us are perfect. In fact I was looking forward to meeting RB and others at DSC but unfortunately due to weather the dinner was canceled.

I will not be voting on this issue.

 

[CoElkHunter]

Is this high school now?

Yes. Principal Jerome or Dean of Members @BRICKBURN will decide if a punishment is warranted or not. An "after Forum session" detention or lunch detention (no alcohol allowed) could then be assigned to the member. LOL

 

[Pablo]

 

[mdwest]

Seriously though if we start kicking people off for conduct we don’t like @redleg @WAB and @Wyatt Smith are going to be lonely here all by themselves,

I’m definitely fooked… lol

 

[375 Ruger Fan]

 

[YancyW]

Too Long Didn’t Read version:
@Rare Breed, who has historically been highly regarded in this forum, and whose posts I have greatly enjoyed, dishonored himself in a recent transaction. He was provided ample opportunity to make amends, both privately and publicly.

Long version: see thread @
https://www.africahunting.com/threads/i-dont-bring-this-up-lightly.89193/

Short version: see below lighthearted meme. I’ll note that it’s not a one sided meme. I have no dog in the fight. But I’m an auditor by trade. @franzfmdavis provided comprehensive and compelling evidence of the disreputable behavior
@Rare Breed acted arrogantly, provided misleading evidence, and then disengaged. He dishonored himself. Without question for any that would read the evidence in an unbiased way.

The question at hand: should @Rare Breed be expelled from the AH forum? Should the AH forum allow humans who are dishonorable to maintain membership?

I enjoy the great camaraderie of this forum. But I want no truck with it if it just becomes an old boys club.

Kindly appreciate the input of ye. Cheers

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You seem pretty new around here to be starting bullshit threads like this. Someone owns this forum, it isn't a reality gameshow.

 

[CoElkHunter]

Well I’ve recently been labeled a pirate so I’m probably no longer qualified to offer up any comments on gentlemanly conduct but to me the answer is clear. White gloves and dueling pistols at 20 paces….

Seriously though if we start kicking people off for conduct we don’t like @redleg @WAB and @Wyatt Smith are going to be lonely here all by themselves,

You forgot to tag your "homeboy" Ontario Hunter? LOL

 

[Uncontrolled_round_feed]

You seem pretty new around here to be starting bullshit threads like this. Someone owns this forum, it isn't a reality gameshow.

 

[sureshot375]

Thanks for your note. Very flawed individual personally but my word is my bond and I want no truck with a forum that allows the dishonest to remain. I’ve never met @franzfmdavis but want to support a forum that addresses grievances where there is clear dishonesty even if it’s from a popular fella

That’s cool. Stay out of our truck and stay on the short bus.

This whole dishonesty, fraud, deceit allegation falls apart the second he paid a refund and return shipping. If it was any type of intentional wrongdoing he’s not giving the money back. He’s not paying return shipping. Rare breed is at a loss on this deal too. How does he benefit from this alleged fraud? “Fraudsters” don’t commit frauds that result in a net loss.

Worst case it was sloppy advertising. In practice the buyer cared about something the seller didn’t care about. They had a difference of opinion. Buyer mistook the representation that JJ said the gun was “perfect” as applying to cosmetics rather than function. When it became clear the buyer was dissatisfied, seller returned the purchase price and paid return shipping. There obviously was no fraudulent intent.

I bought a used double on here. We didn’t talk about dings, scratches, or wear on the finish. When I got the rifle it had some of those things.

I didn’t make a thread complaining. It never even crossed my mind because I bought a used rifle. In fact I was still happy with the deal because I paid a fraction of what a new one costs. Instead I took it to Africa and shot an elephant in the face.

 

[Flipper Dude]

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Thought you were leaving?

 

[Uncontrolled_round_feed]

Thought you were leaving?

Ssshhhh

 

[WAB]

My two cents, and over-valued at that:
- the painful and detailed posts have served their purpose. Anyone with an ounce of sense will be cautious with the seller going forward.
- all this discussion on a resolution is just gum flapping. A satisfactory resolution can only be achieved if the buyer and the seller engage with an intent to reach a resolution. The rest of our thoughts on how to do so are not worth the time it takes to type them.
- the buyer dodged a bullet on this purchase, and should be eternally thankful.
I really hope this thread dies soon!

 

[Jeff505]

The post-deal review of the relative value has no bearing on whether the seller grifted the buyer. And whether the seller should face consequences

Obviously you believe your opinion to be important, it seems that the issue is being resolved through the party’s involved. If you want to ban certain people for not meeting your standards then start your own website.

 

[steve white]

Thanks for your note. Very flawed individual personally but my word is my bond and I want no truck with a forum that allows the dishonest to remain. I’ve never met @franzfmdavis but want to support a forum that addresses grievances where there is clear dishonesty even if it’s from a popular fella

Well...bye. Do also keep in mind who was the blood sucking lawyer of the two...

 

[TOBY458]

As a person who has hunted with @Rare Breed , I can attest that he is a good man. He is one of the friendliest guys you will ever meet. I have far too many faults myself to throw stones at someone else. And I’m sure none of you are without fault yourselves. This thread is a bit ridiculous IMO. Let the two parties work it out between themselves. There’s already enough negativity in the world, without having to come on here to find it as well.