Question about who buys guns

[mark-hunter]

God bless the USA!

Amen!

 

[mark-hunter]

The old gamekeeper would not have been able to keep Bond’s father’s 500 NE for Bond.

In theory, he could, as follows:
Estate "Skyfall" is now registered as museum.
Game keeper turned to museum security guard.
The old mens double is museum exibit.
When there is a will, there is a way!

But the point is this:
Do we keep our heritage alive?
Its not just our guns.
Its about passing traditions to our sons and daughters.

If it is about that, then let them really start hunting as early as possible, then the paperwork with inhereted guns later is just formality. If we jump over that first most important step, then it stops in our blood lineage.

 

[Tam Dl]

Quit blaming the damn boat, it’s the person driving the boat!

Or the car. There are fancy systems where the guy in the boat controls the car, the potential there is rich.

 

[Tam Dl]

Assuming there is not excessive interference from the government, it is really easy to get the numbers up. I play in the air rifle, black powder, and cartridge areas, and have shotguns.

In the US/Canada, guns are pretty cheap, so a lot of people tend to collect a lot of cheap guns. If this was germany one might be willing to consolidate all those small purchases into a drilling.

These days 4-7000 dollar bicycles are pretty common. That is a lot of rifles. Or one really nice Blaser.

 

[Jfet]

But the point is this:
Do we keep our heritage alive?
Its not just our guns.
Its about passing traditions to our sons and daughters.

This is why I am a big proponent of the Outdoor Tomorrow Foundation, https://www.gootf.com/. They just started the Outdoor Adventure Class program in 751st school in the U.S, in over 45 states. OTF representatives have been invited to meet with education people in Europe about developing a program for schools there.

 

[Jfet]

Assuming there is not excessive interference from the government, it is really easy to get the numbers up. I play in the air rifle, black powder, and cartridge areas, and have shotguns.

In the U. S. the Scholastic Shooting Foundation has been very successful in bring youth into shooting competition.

Home - SSSF - Scholastic Shooting Sports Foundation

The leader in youth development shooting sports programs. Our Mission Youth Development Through Shooting Sports The SSSF manages clay target and action

sssfonline.org

 

[Longwalker]

I actually thought I had enough guns. At least one (and sometimes three) for each and every purpose and species that I hunt or plan to hunt, and a few target guns too. Then I started looking at online auction houses because of COVID lockdown boredom. 5 more in my gun room in the last year!

 

[VertigoBE]

100%, compliant, all guns are registered. (you cannot burry it to dissapear)
So, the heir must be target shooter, or hunter, optionally to have clearance for self defence, or registered gun collector. (to get that status, it can take anytime between two months or a year),, depending on available courses, matches, shooting seasons, admin procedures)
If the heir is none of that (despite the fact of being law abiding cictizen, etc), no will do.

In order to have lawful heir for my porperty, my son has completed exaustive two months hunter exam. Check! We got it covered. But its not typical in average family.

This is also about young generation.
In many cases young generation does not care. They get to middle age, or older.
Suddenly, a granpa dies, and granpa has his fine hunting rifles... some valuable... then they have a short time to sort out papers. or loose the property. Because they did not care earlier.
If there is really valuable gun, in 5 figure value, it will be hard to sell... so, situation is created based on not planning in advance.

Anyway you look at it, its a shame.
(I dont think its much difreent in other coutries, like Belgium, holland, uk etc)

Correct, it is also like this in Belgium. I’m not even 100% sure we get 6 months to get this in order.

In my case, it would be my brother getting my hunting firearms, and my sport shooting firearms would end up with the police.

Let’s hope my future kids will have an interest in hunting and shooting!

 

[VertigoBE]

Interesting. That’s exactly why American gun owners oppose registration schemes.

On the other hand, I believe that Canada had extremely low rates of compliance when they enacted a registration scheme a while back. So low that they eventually dropped it because it wasn’t accomplishing anything.

Also, I don’t see why someone couldn’t bury their registered guns before they died. The state can’t prosecute a dead man. Bury them, tell your son where they are and they can dig them up in 5 years when the heat dies down.

I’d even prefer to leave them in the woods for other hunters to find and keep than have them turned in for destruction.

Just my view.

That would only work for those 5 years. Because afterwards, what exactly do you plan for your child to do with the firearm?

He or she cannot use it for hunting, nor sport shooting, nor even put them on the wall at home. Any of those things and a routine police check will see them confiscated and your child charged with illegal possession of a firearm.

(Btw, to make it clear, I am not supportive or a proponent of this legislation, it’s just what it is)

 

[mark-hunter]

@VertigoBE

Now is last moment to get married and start with kids, dont you think? And then to enroll them to local club, on first chance!

 

[GuttormG]

I understand the logic, of historical gun production, but guns also have life expectancy.
How many 100 year old guns have you seen in life

1000s.. The world is full of them, here in Norway the bulk will be M98ks and Krag-Jørgensens.

 

[Jaegger]

I was wondering; is there a survey on the kind of people who buy guns
Specifically, I'm talking about how many guns the buyer already owns
I heard during 2020, most of the guns and ammo were being bought by totally new gun owners.
So I was wondering if there were any statistics to show how this number fluxuates

Huh, “… a survey.” I think the survey would say … gun owners have pieces handed down within generations & owned by relatives you may have never met but feel connected by virtue of an ole shotgun - like I do w/ a great grandfather.

Some firearms are pieces of art, antiques that tell a story of the past gunsmiths w/o fancy tools but are not fired today. Others are for hunting, competitive distance sport shooting or a good bet @ the trap/skeet range - my favorite.

Firearm owners are many faces in our society … new & old, owners for many sensible reasons as mentioned above. Happy Trails.

 

[jeanes]

Just curious. What is a "routine police check" that would find firearms in a private home? I am unfamiliar with laws in other countries.

 

[mark-hunter]

Generally speaking, and judging by occasional daily news, and daily papers: those are idiots with non registered firearms, who make some excess: threaten someone, beat the wife, got drunk and make fight in a bar, (drunken and disorderly) or similar. Then, such behavior - provokes police intervention and then their premises are searched (with court order).

On the opposite: licensed firearm owners are model citizens with clean medical and police record, who have opposite behavior pattern. (quite, kind and gentle)

Even in case of licensed firearm owner, there is no "minor" penalty. Every error in paperwork, not to mention abuse of firearm or unsafe act, will result in confiscation, and sometimes a fine. But confiscation, first.
(For example - owner has all papers and licenses, and goes hunting. Stopped by police, one paper missing - like he forgot that paper at home - first is confiscation of firearm, then he can appeal, and try the court - but by the time he gets it back it takes time, months or year)

During licensing process legal firearm owner will sign a paper, that police can check his firearms at home at anytime, and that police can have access to his medical records on request from his MD)

 

[VertigoBE]

@VertigoBE

Now is last moment to get married and start with kids, dont you think? And then to enroll them to local club, on first chance!

Don't worry @mark-hunter , I'm fully on it!
I should be a first-time father of a lovely little daughter within the next six weeks.
This summer we are also getting married (we have had to postpone due to covid, engaged since summer 2020)

Can't wait to take her hunting in a few years! I'll be leaving her quite some nice firearms for her to inherit later on... If she picks up the passion!

 

[VertigoBE]

Just curious. What is a "routine police check" that would find firearms in a private home? I am unfamiliar with laws in other countries.

You are right, the police does not have the right to just come barging in.

However, if at any time, a neighbour (I live in the city after all) would see a firearm in my house through the windows, or even just see one hanging on a wall, they would likely call the police, at which point the police would have just cause to investigate. We are not allowed to expose firearms, if they can be seen from the windows by a passerby. (this law is meant to lower the chance of being targeted by a thief, not completely insensible).

Or what @mark-hunter said, investigation of the home, due to unrelated charges elsewhere.

 

[Rocked and Loaded]

You are right, the police does not have the right to just come barging in.

However, if at any time, a neighbour (I live in the city after all) would see a firearm in my house through the windows, or even just see one hanging on a wall, they would likely call the police, at which point the police would have just cause to investigate. We are not allowed to expose firearms, if they can be seen from the windows by a passerby. (this law is meant to lower the chance of being targeted by a thief, not completely insensible).

Or what @mark-hunter said, investigation of the home, due to unrelated charges elsewhere.

Most of those would not be cause for a search in the US. You generally have a right to own and use your legally owned firearms as you see fit on your own property.

There are exceptions and of course good judgement comes into play but I can open carry a pistol while mowing my back yard if I choose to. On the other hand I don’t live in a dense urban area and I know all my neighbors and they have guns too.

 

[mark-hunter]

@Rocked and Loaded
Yes, we all know that.

This is because:
In USA, there is 2/a, and the right to own firearm is actually a civil right based on constitutional amendment.
In EU (and majority of the World), to own a firearm, is just a conditional legal privilege.
This is a great difference.

 

[jeanes]

You are right, the police does not have the right to just come barging in.

However, if at any time, a neighbour (I live in the city after all) would see a firearm in my house through the windows, or even just see one hanging on a wall, they would likely call the police, at which point the police would have just cause to investigate. We are not allowed to expose firearms, if they can be seen from the windows by a passerby. (this law is meant to lower the chance of being targeted by a thief, not completely insensible).

Or what @mark-hunter said, investigation of the home, due to unrelated charges elsewhere.

That sounds similar to the "red flag" laws that some states here are trying to pass. Thank you for educating me on your laws.

 

[Jfet]

@Rocked and Loaded
Yes, we all know that.

This is because:
In USA, there is 2/a, and the right to own firearm is actually a civil right based on constitutional amendment.
In EU (and majority of the World), to own a firearm, is just a conditional legal privilege.
This is a great difference.

An important point about our Bill of Rights, which includes the 2nd Amendment. The Bill of Rights tells the US government it can’t make any laws that hinder our God given rights. Our constitution is written to limit our government. Unfortunately, there are power hungry people who want to change it.