Question about who buys guns

[Rocked and Loaded]

My view on rural, or urban ownership is following:
Pistols are top sellers, and most favorite among urban population. (non hunters, of course, so sportsmen mostly)
i am member of shooting club, and newbies are joining in order to train and compete on handguns, 90% pistol oriented, 10% (or less to revolver)
Who joins the club, joins for pistol shooting.

in recent few years, sporadic cases (but really sporadic) is those with immediate interest to long range shooting, so they go for scoped rifle, and for long range competitions. Rare cases, but evident. In sport community pistols are the most poplar, by large margin.
Pistols are most economic, and ammo is the cheapest when compared to rifle centerfire ammo. in smaller apartment in cities, is easier to store, in small safe.
Transport to range, easier.

Hunters need long guns, (and i think majority of hunters is from rural areas, maybe 60%-70%) so all of them will have at least high power rifle + shotgun. Some, will have additional 22lr or other rimfire rifle and pistol is just maybe. Attitude towards the pistol in hunting community is to take it as selfdefence against bear, or boar where they are frequent to meet in some areas . If no such risk, most will not have it.

I can’t say this holds with my circles of hunters. Around here, most serious hunters (which I define as those who hunt every year for multiple kinds of game) are gun nuts and are likely to own multiple semi auto rifles and multiple pistols. They’re also likely to be involved in 2A organizations like the NRA as well as hunting orgs like NWTF or Ducks Unlimited.

The casual hunters I’ve met are much more likely to own just one or two guns. Probably a pump shotgun that doubles as their self defense weapon.

 

[Randy F]

I feel for all of you who lost firearms to boating accidents…but you are lucky.
Mine “woke” up. What started out as mild complaints of favoritism and reverse age discrimination soon turned into accusations of caliberism. Some felt I had not provided an equal amount of ammo for each and some felt others were provided a better “safe” haven. Feeling under appreciated and under utilized, they staged a walkout. There is not a firearm to be located on my property any longer.
Sad sad day.

 

[Bullthrower338]

Quit blaming the damn boat, it’s the person driving the boat!

 

[Rocked and Loaded]

@Shootist43
@Fixfire
read carefully my above post no 29, who really inherits old guns. So, you will understand. ;-)

That makes my blood boil. There’s not much I find more infuriating than the state saying what part of my legacy I cannot leave to my children.

How much compliance does your country have? I think many Americans would rather bury their guns and tell their heirs where to dig them up after they’ve died before they’d turn them in to the state.

 

[LivingTheDream]

Quit blaming the damn boat, it’s the person driving the boat!

If you expect me to put down my beer while driving a boat, then you sir have crossed a line!

 

[mark-hunter]

How much compliance does your country have?

100%, compliant, all guns are registered. (you cannot burry it to dissapear)
So, the heir must be target shooter, or hunter, optionally to have clearance for self defence, or registered gun collector. (to get that status, it can take anytime between two months or a year),, depending on available courses, matches, shooting seasons, admin procedures)
If the heir is none of that (despite the fact of being law abiding cictizen, etc), no will do.

In order to have lawful heir for my porperty, my son has completed exaustive two months hunter exam. Check! We got it covered. But its not typical in average family.

This is also about young generation.
In many cases young generation does not care. They get to middle age, or older.
Suddenly, a granpa dies, and granpa has his fine hunting rifles... some valuable... then they have a short time to sort out papers. or loose the property. Because they did not care earlier.
If there is really valuable gun, in 5 figure value, it will be hard to sell... so, situation is created based on not planning in advance.

Anyway you look at it, its a shame.
(I dont think its much difreent in other coutries, like Belgium, holland, uk etc)

 

[sgt_zim]

I was wondering; is there a survey on the kind of people who buy guns

Specifically, I'm talking about how many guns the buyer already owns

I heard during 2020, most of the guns and ammo were being bought by totally new gun owners.

So I was wondering if there were any statistics to show how this number fluxuates

I lost all my guns when this huge great white crushed the transom of my boat and it sank.

 

[LivingTheDream]

I lost all my guns when this huge great white crushed the transom of my boat and it sank.

You're gonna need a bigger boat.

 

[Rocked and Loaded]

100%, compliant, all guns are registered. (you cannot burry it to dissapear)
So, the heir must be target shooter, or hunter, optionally to have clearance for self defence, or registered gun collector. (to get that status, it can take anytime between two months or a year),, depending on available courses, matches, shooting seasons, admin procedures)
If the heir is none of that (despite the fact of being law abiding cictizen, etc), no will do.

In order to have lawful heir for my porperty, my son has completed exaustive two months hunter exam. Check! We got it covered. But its not typical in average family.

This is also about young generation.
In many cases young generation does not care. They get to middle age, or older.
Suddenly, a granpa dies, and granpa has his fine hunting rifles... some valuable... then they have a short time to sort out papers. or loose the property. Because they did not care earlier.
If there is really valuable gun, in 5 figure value, it will be hard to sell... so, situation is created based on not planning in advance.

Anyway you look at it, its a shame.
(I dont think its much difreent in other coutries, like Belgium, holland, uk etc)

Interesting. That’s exactly why American gun owners oppose registration schemes.

On the other hand, I believe that Canada had extremely low rates of compliance when they enacted a registration scheme a while back. So low that they eventually dropped it because it wasn’t accomplishing anything.

Also, I don’t see why someone couldn’t bury their registered guns before they died. The state can’t prosecute a dead man. Bury them, tell your son where they are and they can dig them up in 5 years when the heat dies down.

I’d even prefer to leave them in the woods for other hunters to find and keep than have them turned in for destruction.

Just my view.

 

[mark-hunter]

That’s exactly why American gun owners oppose registration schemes.

registration comes from medieval latin word registrum, regestrum. It may have evolved earlier from word Rex - which means king.
So, registration does have a possible historical meaning as a giving to a king.
So, yes, that is a point of registration.

but looking from wider perspective, the gun laws are relaxing at my place, the trend is positive. So its not that bad. (besides the fact, that my son completed exam for hunter - which is a positive fact nonthehless)
for example 20 years ago, ar15 was not posible to buy, now I can, legallybuy that (shops are full). There are several significant improvents in law.
There was (as a part of EU legal heritage), for every new law to be passed, there is a public discussion and review of bill with ample time to participate and suggest improvements. The suggestions will be accepted if they are supported by evidence, legal practise from other countries, rules for differents sports, or just reasonable. Some will not be accepted. After public review it goes to parliament for final acceptance. So, after last such bill on public review, the law has significantly improved on several points (ar15 legal, for one), or life long medical certificates (before was medical renewal every 5 years, etc.. I could go on), this one that we are talking about is still pending. Not regulated properly.
But now, once I am certified, I can buy firearms under permit, without much issues.

 

[Daggaboy375]

Not each. All totalled.

LOL

SB

 

[WebleyGreene455]

With all these boating accidents I now see why demand has been so high.

It's global warming, I tell you. Bloody icebergs!

 

[mark-hunter]

I can’t say this holds with my circles of hunters. Around here, most serious hunters (which I define as those who hunt every year for multiple kinds of game) are gun nuts and are likely to own multiple semi auto rifles and multiple pistols.

I think, I can fit that description. I have my firearms, long and short, and semi, for hunting and target shooting (multiple disciplines), member of 4 clubs (of different shooting associations) in total, then firearm coach, shooting sport judge/referee, had a blog on my former club website, and I hunt where the game is (big, small and feather), around the country, plus - of course, Africa. But its not average. I think I would fit in your neigbourhoud.
BTW, my wife worked and studied in the states, so she picked up the slang - she calls me "red-neck" (in pure american english)

 

[WAB]

This is nice, a benefit of 2/a.

In my place, to paraphrase subject of this thread; who inherits the guns?
The answer is:
Our state.

If the legal heir is not hunter or registered target shooter (a status that takes time to make, can not be made overnight); then guns will be collected by police, the heir (if not certified as firearm owner) will have 6 months to sell them - by hastily bringing buyer to police station to take firearm, or if the 6 months has passed the state will take over the guns, without compensation. So, the state is biggest heir.
This in the long run, reduces the number of firearms in ciruclation (because, also to be noted, target shooter and hunters number are in decline), and it reduces the number of vintage firearms.

the value of the firearm is absolutely irrelevant in this procedure: it can be an old relic, worthy 300 USD, or it can be holland and holland, worth 100.000 USD, it will be taken care of by state, if the real heir is not certified to own. So, I sent my son to hunters exam, and later when the time comes, he will have true choice, either to keep them, or to sell them properly (with dignity).

God bless the USA!

 

[C.W. Richter]

is this the Chinese army intelligence at work here? somewhere there's a list of GPS coords for all American gun safes...

 

[Bonk]

Everyone I know owns firearms. When I say everyone I mean every single household in my circle of friends, acquaintances, colleagues and neighbors. None I can think of own only one. Most own at least 5 or 6 and a majority own more than ten. I know many that own dozens. I know several that have comfortably more than 100. In my state it's 100% legal to buy/sell/trade amongst private individuals without any paperwork or registration. The idea authorities could begin to even remotely track down all the guns in my state is laughable. Off hand I don't know the population of my state but I would wager a large chunk of cash you could multiply that number by 3 and still be short of the number of guns in my state. That's 3+ guns for every man, woman and child. God bless Kentucky.

 

[Jfet]

This is nice, a benefit of 2/a.

In my place, to paraphrase subject of this thread; who inherits the guns?
The answer is:
Our state.

If the legal heir is not hunter or registered target shooter (a status that takes time to make, can not be made overnight); then guns will be collected by police, the heir (if not certified as firearm owner) will have 6 months to sell them - by hastily bringing buyer to police station to take firearm, or if the 6 months has passed the state will take over the guns, without compensation. So, the state is biggest heir.
This in the long run, reduces the number of firearms in ciruclation (because, also to be noted, target shooter and hunters number are in decline), and it reduces the number of vintage firearms.

the value of the firearm is absolutely irrelevant in this procedure: it can be an old relic, worthy 300 USD, or it can be holland and holland, worth 100.000 USD, it will be taken care of by state, if the real heir is not certified to own. So, I sent my son to hunters exam, and later when the time comes, he will have true choice, either to keep them, or to sell them properly (with dignity).

WOW!

If I am understanding you then the scene from the James Bond movie, Skyfall, is not accurate. The old gamekeeper would not have been able to keep Bond’s father’s 500 NE for Bond.

Even in the U.S. making provisions for how your firearms are dealt with after your death is important. My father-in-law passed away a year ago. We were amazed about the number and types of firearms he had in his gun safe. None of the firearms had any great financial value. Fortunately, grandkids are hunters and we were able to keep many of them in the family where they will still be used.

 

[calling4life]

Still the greatest boat fail video ever, in case one needs pointers in how to crash. Oh, and no blood, no nudity, you're good watching it.

And in case you need a little more and with some additional slow-mo.

 

[Randy F]

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

I guess I need to buy a boat for when the stupid Canadian liberal government comes to take my guns away from me.

Invite me on that fishing trip will you, I even have a boat just for the trip. You’ll notice it’s got several holes in the keel.