Private Flights for the same cost of business class without the hassle of commercial

Three years ago, one of my buds and two other people flew charter jet, LA to Miami, one way cost wss 25K. When I owned a bug smasher, people would ask for the cost to do two and three hour trips. Fuel, engine time and fixed costs came to over a hundred an hour. I told them it was cheaper to take the bus than a taxi. Dollar wise, that pretty much sums up commercial versus bizjjet.
 
This doesn’t pencil out…..

But, if you got the money to fly around the work in a private jet you likely don’t need to worry about the pencil math….
 
Great thoughts on this. Lots of view points and experiences shared. Thank you
 
Just an idea to toss around....
Leasing/renting a commercial airline's aircraft for only the travel days to and from:

IE:
Rent aircraft for Depart Atlanta to Jo'burg on this/these dates.... and rent aircraft for return flight on this/these dates Depart Jo'burg to Atlanta.

Something roomy like an Airbus, or larger, that the airline could use as an additional aircraft to transport other passengers or freight From/To Jo'burg.

In a little more detail:

Airline normal carries 100 passengers. Limit the number to 50 passengers plus 100 pounds of luggage. This should allow plenty of comfort. The airline could then use the extra cargo weight/space for transporting other business use. This could also help cutting the cost of aircraft rental.

Upon on arrival to Jo'burg the airlines could then use the aircraft as an additional passenger/transport aircraft say from Jo'burg to Atlanta.

10 to 14 days later...the airline then transports passengers/cargo from Atlanta to Jo'burg picks up the private "party" for return to Atlanta.

Granted it would most likely result in costing everyone at minimum of (or perhaps very slightly less than) / (or perhaps slightly $200.00 - $500.00 higher) airfare than business class.

However on the plus side, it would allow for more individual luggage weight without any additional fees going and coming, and allow for more personal comfort/ space compared to the cramped economy/ "cattle car" seating most of us use to save on our budget and/or for additional animals.
 
The biggest advantage to flying private is the check in and departure process. Domestic, you arrive 5 minutes before your flight, you drive onto the tarmac, the pilots and attendant load your bags, and you are off. Same process in reverse when you land.

I wonder how the departure process would work international? Any experience with that?
 
Just an idea to toss around....
Leasing/renting a commercial airline's aircraft for only the travel days to and from:

IE:
Rent aircraft for Depart Atlanta to Jo'burg on this/these dates.... and rent aircraft for return flight on this/these dates Depart Jo'burg to Atlanta.

Something roomy like an Airbus, or larger, that the airline could use as an additional aircraft to transport other passengers or freight From/To Jo'burg.

In a little more detail:

Airline normal carries 100 passengers. Limit the number to 50 passengers plus 100 pounds of luggage. This should allow plenty of comfort. The airline could then use the extra cargo weight/space for transporting other business use. This could also help cutting the cost of aircraft rental.

Upon on arrival to Jo'burg the airlines could then use the aircraft as an additional passenger/transport aircraft say from Jo'burg to Atlanta.

10 to 14 days later...the airline then transports passengers/cargo from Atlanta to Jo'burg picks up the private "party" for return to Atlanta.

Granted it would most likely result in costing everyone at minimum of (or perhaps very slightly less than) / (or perhaps slightly $200.00 - $500.00 higher) airfare than business class.

However on the plus side, it would allow for more individual luggage weight without any additional fees going and coming, and allow for more personal comfort/ space compared to the cramped economy/ "cattle car" seating most of us use to save on our budget and/or for additional animals.
You’re following the right track from our research.

12-15 days allows many folks to go with their outfitter around or even another country like Namibia or ZIM and enjoy their hunt.
 
The biggest advantage to flying private is the check in and departure process. Domestic, you arrive 5 minutes before your flight, you drive onto the tarmac, the pilots and attendant load your bags, and you are off. Same process in reverse when you land.

I wonder how the departure process would work international? Any experience with that?
A huge time saver.
Bring customs office to the plane let them check rifles and bags then load the land cruisers or another plane to your final hunting camp
 
The biggest advantage to flying private is the check in and departure process. Domestic, you arrive 5 minutes before your flight, you drive onto the tarmac, the pilots and attendant load your bags, and you are off. Same process in reverse when you land.

I wonder how the departure process would work international? Any experience with that?
I've flown private a few times and it is pretty slick. The customs agent (there literally is usually one on call for po-dunk corporate jet airports) shows up and looks at your passport on the tarmac. You're done from the US side in 30 seconds. Some countries on arrival, you're in the same situation in less than 5 mins, others put you back in the cattle chutes with the unwashed masses.

The math on all of this stuff just doesn't work at scale (not 50 people) nor does it work for Africa flights at all. The reasons are as follows:

1.) The planes to do this at 10-12 passengers are just too expensive to fly from USA to Africa.

2.) The route that a G5 or similar has to take is a terribly slow route, usually going to Brazil, then crossing to Senegal, then to southern Africa. Slow, you need a lot of pilots for the little plane, you need refueling.

3.) Most planes like Net Jets and other leases/charters will not fly you to Africa. Uninsurable. Zimbabwe for example has failed to get their annual safety inspections of their runways, does not have working VORs, IFR technologies are screwed up, no fences around the airport, no insurance coverage against hijacking the plane in the hangers, etc. The only planes that will fly you into camps are little prop planes that are locally owned and the pilots understand they may die due to animals or rocks on the landing strip that hasn't been tended for years.

4.) So assuming you just fly to Windhoek, Harare, Bulawayo, Vic, or some other commercial airport, what the hell was the point? You've spent tens of thousands, you've saved little time, and you still need a bus/car/prop plane to get you to camp.


The people that contemplate these activities are not on this forum. The net worth and privacy concerns that justify flying private intercontinental jet to a safari exceed the finances of most Fortune 500 CEOs.
 
The biggest advantage to flying private is the check in and departure process. Domestic, you arrive 5 minutes before your flight, you drive onto the tarmac, the pilots and attendant load your bags, and you are off. Same process in reverse when you land.

I wonder how the departure process would work international? Any experience with that?
Great question!

Coordination of flight times, corridor, and path on an international flight would have to be set so as not to be mistaken as a threat aircraft.

Bad choice of words considering...

"Logically" it would seem that getting through customs should be "relatively speaking" "normal". SAPS should retrieve all weapon(s) and ammo luggage directly from the aircraft and same processing procedures as any other flight. With same reverse process for departing.

Personal luggage would most likely be processed separately for any contraband prior to being released to the individual.

Individuals should go through the "routine" or "express" customs line.

(Major Political & Personal Nightmare)...

And hope for the best that SAPS Does Not decide everyone on board are member's of a foreign incognito Special Operational Forces "Army" invading Jo'burg.

Especially since some, if not most or all on board have more than the normally allowed 5kg of ammo, and some have various not normally seen by SAPS gear, ie spotting scopes, laptop computers, digital cameras, etc.
 
Fuel burn per hour of Airbus fleet: Lowest figures 747 gallons per hour X 16 hours to Joburg, roughly 12,000 gallons of fuel, one way. I'll let the math wizards figure what that cost. Little know fact, the passengers in steerage are traveling at or close to cost. Cargo and upper class seating are subsidizing them.
For reference, IRRC,South Africa Airways used to fly the 330 or 340 - 300 versions when they flew out of Dulles and had to stop in Senegal. For shits & giggles, fuel capacity is 120 tons.

Airbus A300 — 4770 kg/h
Airbus A319-100 — 2374 kg/h
Airbus A320 — 2430 kg/h
Airbus A321-100 — 2885 kg/h
Airbus A321-231 — 2740 kg/h
Airbus A330-200 — 5590 kg/h
Airbus A330-300 — 5700 kg/h
Airbus A340-300 — 6500 kg/h
Airbus A340-500 — 8000 kg/h
Airbus A350-900 — 5800 kg/h
Airbus A380 — 11000-12000 kg/h
 
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Only one company has planes with all sleepers and that's: La Compagnie. They will use Airbus 321LR, with a range of 7400 KM, and two (2) to be delivered in 2025. Currently they have two (2) Airbus 320Neo with a range of 4000KM and 76 seats. Not exactly promising for a charter to RSA from the USA.
 
Well my buddy who flies a Falcon 900(14 passenger)which is transcontinental said the operating cost of that plane is $6,600 hour for flight time.
Does that include pilot cost?
 
Only one company has planes with all sleepers and that's: La Compagnie. They will use Airbus 321LR, with a range of 7400 KM, and two (2) to be delivered in 2025. Currently they have two (2) Airbus 320Neo with a range of 4000KM and 76 seats. Not exactly promising for a charter to RSA from the USA.

All it takes is money. :)
 
A long range business jet has a flight time of 13-14+ hours so from the US it is 1 stop max to anywhere in Africa.
 
I enjoy the extra day at arrival and departure. Gives me a chance to see friends and on inbound flight helps with jet lag.

For my flight this October I bookend it with a night at Amanzi lodge in Harare. Being away from work is a bonus. ;) Plus, I have good employees that can hold the fort.
Just booked at Amanzi in August and in September for my in and out overnight. Looking forward to the pre excitement relaxation and post recovery.
 

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