Primitive North American Stone Weaponry - Mysteries

[Red Leg]

I have a pretty decent collection of Native American artifacts including some with holes in them. I have no clue what to call them , here is a few.

Ok, I am truly bitter with jealousy.

 

[Tucketed]

Not on points but a great channel I watch regularly is “ desert drifter” he is exploring very remote cliff dwelling structure and artwork. Lots of pottery shards like @Red Leg showed. It’s amazing to see where and how these dwellings were situated and built.

 

[Hunt anything]

I really can’t take credit for them, I found some of them but my grandfather found almost all of them along with my father. He traveled to every state with heads he found in Virginia to trade with local collectors.

 

[fourfive8]

I really can’t take credit for them, I found some of them but my grandfather found almost all of them along with my father. He traveled to every state with heads he found in Virginia to trade with local collectors.

Thanks for posting. That is another great collection! Also, I see there are some of those dang celts mixed in there . I assume many artifacts with holes may be necklace ornaments, buttons or possibly something for keeping tally of services or credit- aka wampum.... I dunno

 

[cwpayton]

You call that pretty decent/ Id call it a museum., I see mostly softer material and flint or chert east of the rockies, while out west we see mostly obsidian or basalt, i did fined one point made from a glass bottle, and supposedly a ship wreck in the 1800,s along the n. coast of california provided a massive amount of glass wine bottles, . IT seems to me archaeologist cant figure something out they just fall back on 'its religious ceremonial and move on :I know an old, older than me cowboy who worked a ranch in Arizona that had massive amounts of pottery and points , he said he rode up to a small spring one time and a large rock above it had a cross carved in it and a date 1764. same old cowboy worked a ranch in oregon and found a giant skeleton 8' + in a dry lake bed as well as 1oos of artifacts. state came and removed the skeleton and they never heard any more about it.

 

[fourfive8]

Unusual stuff, like a point knapped from glass bottle!, is always cool. I have found a few things that are out of place for era and location. A couple years ago I was tending my burn barrel near my house. It is sitting on an open area on the drain field… an area completely distributed when building my house, plus all kinds of gravel mixed in. I glanced down and there sits a Dalton-type point!
A much older form than the “eared”, younger points I find locally. Also found a little group of 3 iron “trade” points a few years ago, probably dating from 1860s based on the US Cavalry activity/ outpost in the area.

 

[Hunt anything]

Obsidian has to be my favorite material, we have some from the Pacific Northwest . At present we have 6 or 8 thousand in our possession, when my grandfather died we donated quite a few to James Madison university, Bridgewater College and the Waynesboro Virginia public library.

 

[fourfive8]

Obsidian makes perfect sense for points, a fact not lost on those dependent upon them throughout history. Volcanic glass…consistent / predictable knapping/flaking and extremely sharp product.

 

[Wade J VanGinkel]

My collection is quite small but all picked up myself mostly in the area around Lexington Texas.
The the animal and human prints in the stone were taken on a ranch near Sonora Texas.
I also have some pottery shards and a matate with Mano found on my property in nw Colorado.

 

[Red Leg]

My collection is quite small but all picked up myself mostly in the area around Lexington Texas.
The the animal and human prints in the stone were taken on a ranch near Sonora Texas.
I also have some pottery shards and a matate with Mano found on my property in nw Colorado.

Assuming that print is indeed a print and not a petroglyph, and is in a sedimentary formation, I pray a paleontologist has been notified and will document it. I do not know of a material that will solidify in 20-23K years (typical accepted oldest potential date of human settlement in North America). There is circumstantial evidence they were earlier, likely much earlier. This could rewrite a lot of history.

 

[Wade J VanGinkel]

Assuming that print is indeed a print and not a petroglyph, and is in a sedimentary formation, I pray a paleontologist has been notified and will document it. I do not know of a material that will solidify in 20-23K years (typical accepted oldest potential date of human settlement in North America). There is circumstantial evidence they were earlier, likely much earlier. This could rewrite a lot of history.

Everything is indented fairly deep into the stone. The ranch I hunted on said it had been reported to some organization but I can't verify that. There was one other possible footprint that wasn't quite as clear in the lower right of the one photo.
Obviously I have no expertise in these things but do find out extremely fascinating.

 

[Hunt anything]

Everything is indented fairly deep into the stone. The ranch I hunted on said it had been reported to some organization but I can't verify that. There was one other footprint that wasn't quite a clear also

Those look like sheep or goat tracks, has anyone verified what they are?

 

[Wade J VanGinkel]

Just a couple other photos from same location

 

[Wade J VanGinkel]

Those look like sheep or goat tracks, has anyone verified what they are?

Not that I'm aware of

 

[Hunt anything]

Definitely looks like some deer and rounded hooves of some other animal

 

[Wade J VanGinkel]

Definitely looks like some deer and rounded hooves of some other animal

In one of those last pictures you can see the toe of my size 12 shoe.
The tracks are wider, obviously the ground was soft and the hooves splayed out but still very large.
I should have put something for reference but some are very very large

 

[fourfive8]

The incongruity and mystery common to this area of interest is exactly why it is interesting.

Small group pic for comparison. All these found within 150 miles of 4 corners area of US.
NW New Mexico and SW Colorado.

Left to right:

iron trade point (ca. 1860-1880)

two of the most common forms of arrow points from SW US (approx 700 BC to 1400 AD)

Dalton-like, possibly Duncan point found amongst other artifacts on my property but out of place and time era. Good example of an incongruity. Considered much older form- possibly 3-4000 years older.

 

[fourfive8]

Just a couple other photos from same location

Yep, those tracks could be called a mystery! The circular depression appears to be a grinding pit (mortar)- same function as a metate w/mano. Its use would require a pestle. I have seen those in SW NM. Those tracks are a different matter. Yikes, definitely look like cloven hoof with dew claws. Got me? The only track ways I've ever personally seen were in some exposed siltstone deposits dated to 150 million years or so and made by early, large amphibian. Large mammal tracks in hard stone formation??? Could they have been purposefully gouged out to portray mammal tracks?

 

[Red Leg]

Yep, those tracks could be called a mystery! The circular depression appears to be a grinding pit (mortar)- same function as a metate w/mano. Its use would require a pestle. I have seen those in SW NM. Those tracks are a different matter. Yikes, definitely look like cloven hoof with dew claws. Got me? The only track ways I've ever personally seen were in some exposed siltstone deposits dated to 150 million years or so and made by early, large amphibian. Large mammal tracks in hard stone formation??? Could they have been purposefully gouged out to portray mammal tracks?

There are some rather incredible dinosaur prints near Tuba City, AZ - but they are 200 million years old - long before our earliest humanoid ancestors.

Moenave Dinosaur Tracks

One of the most extensive and well-preserved collections of dinosaur footprints in North America.

www.atlasobscura.com

 

[fourfive8]

There are some rather incredible dinosaur prints near Tuba City, AZ - but they are 200 million years old - long before our earliest humanoid ancestors.

Moenave Dinosaur Tracks

One of the most extensive and well-preserved collections of dinosaur footprints in North America.

www.atlasobscura.com

Don’t know how many times I’ve driven through Tuba City and by there but stopped.

There are probably quite a number of early tracks in rock formations everywhere in sedimentary formations but most are still trapped in the layers or if just single tracks, not easily recognizable, especially if only “negative” half visible or if heavily weathered.

I carried around and moved a slab of siltstone with an amphibian trackway (3 or4 imprints) for years. The area it was found in was later designated a National Monument, as a trackway site, in the Robledo Mtns just NW of Las Cruces NM. Fairly recently and not far from where I live, is one of the longest sauropod trackways in the world. It’s on a small parcel recently acquired by USFS from private owner. Easy to find a few articles about it… simply google, “sauropod trackway near Ouray Colorado” .

About 10 years ago, while I was deer hunting in south central Wyo, found a fossilized, short bone from what is probably the foot of an allosaur.
It was laying on a hillside mixed with a diverse conglomerate of loose regolithic rubble.