Pre-64 300 H&H scope rings

[akrifleman]

I have a pre-64 with a very old scope. I'm looking to update it with a modern scope which is more likely to be a 34+ tube and I'd prefer a one piece.

The common answer is a rail, but I'm curious if there is something like the old Redfield ones that are only 1"

I'm thinking the Alphahunter by NEAR Mfg may be the best choice?

 

[Fenstar]

Talley rings, specific to Pre-64 rifles. Beautiful finish and classic.

 

[458 Exp]

I love the Leupold Dual Dovetail mounts and rings on all my Winchesters.

Classic, beautiful and my scopes never move.

 

[Mtn_Infantry]

Before you buy anything measure your hole spacing. I had a Pre64 300H&H that a smith drilled and tapped the back receiver bridge (only the front was factory drilled and tapped) and used a different hole spacing. He drilled it for whatever spare 2pc base he had on the bench (front Rem 700). I learned this the hard way trying to find a 1pc to fit it, then finding 2pc bases. I’ve got a drawer full of sets I bought and forgot to return until I was smart enough to measure.

That said, if they’re the same spacing, I love the Talley QR’s but I think your choice will work.

 

[akrifleman]

Before you buy anything measure your hole spacing. I had a Pre64 300H&H that a smith drilled and tapped the back receiver bridge (only the front was factory drilled and tapped) and used a different hole spacing. He drilled it for whatever spare 2pc base he had on the bench (front Rem 700). I learned this the hard way trying to find a 1pc to fit it, then finding 2pc bases. I’ve got a drawer full of sets I bought and forgot to return until I was smart enough to measure.

That said, if they’re the same spacing, I love the Talley QR’s but I think your choice will work.

That is a very good point.

 

[PanhandlinPat]

Do you know what year you have? My ‘48 h&h has both holes. I bought Talley bases and rings because I got them cheap, was going to go with leupold quick detach bases.

 

[akrifleman]

Do you know what year you have? My ‘48 h&h has both holes. I bought Talley bases and rings because I got them cheap, was going to go with leupold quick detach bases.

Nope. 70 yr old rings with no markings that I see.

 

[PanhandlinPat]

rear hole spacing is what to measure, should be .435. It’s shorter on the h&h actions.
Here’s what I have on mine

Steel Base for Winchester Model 70 (.435) Pre 64 Magnum Length Action

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[akrifleman]

rear hole spacing is what to measure, should be .435. It’s shorter on the h&h actions.
Here’s what I have on mine

Steel Base for Winchester Model 70 (.435) Pre 64 Magnum Length Action

THE TALLEY GUARANTEE NOTHING IS TOUGHER THAN A TALLEY The Talley Guarantee: At Talley Manufacturing, we place our customers first. All our products carry a money back guarantee. If you are not completely satisfied, we make sure you will be. We want you to know you've just purchased the best.

www.talleymanufacturing.com

OK Thanks - I'll get out the mike a bit later and figure that out. I really wasn't quite sure how to go about that, so I appreciate the information.

 

[Ontario Hunter]

+34mm tube? What kind of scope is that? Or are you referring to objective/ocular lens? A 34mm tube will mount quite high I would think. I have a 30mm tube 1-5x "tactical" scope on my 404 and mounting it so it would acquire without hunting for view required low rings, finding a discontinued low 1-piece base, and shaving metal from the bolt handle to clear the ocular lens.

 

[Ontario Hunter]

My dad and his gunsmith coworker built my Springfield 03A3 back in '62. They tapped it for Weaver 2-piece bases but apparently just put the front base approximately in the center of locking ring (rear Weaver base is situated on the rear site dovetail in rear ring). When I switched to a 1-piece base to accommodate a new Nikon scope with short tube, the receiver holes for front base screws didn't line up with what was drilled in the base. So I carefully drilled a new hole in the base/rail to match up with one in the receiver. I could not drill out a new second forward hole in base to match second forward receiver hole because it would have been touching an existing factory hole in the base. It's only a 30-06. One screw front and one screw aft should be sufficient to anchor a 1-piece steel rail. So far it has worked fine.

Anyway, something to consider if you can't find a base with holes that match your base perfectly.

 

[akrifleman]

+34mm tube? What kind of scope is that? Or are you referring to objective/ocular lens? A 34mm tube will mount quite high I would think. I have a 30mm tube 1-5x "tactical" scope on my 404 and mounting it so it would acquire without hunting for view required low rings, finding a discontinued low 1-piece base, and shaving metal from the bolt handle to clear the ocular lens.

I haven't purchased a scope for it yet, but likely a Leica PRS 5-30x56i or an NF NX8 2.5x20 F1

All my scopes are MIL scopes with reference reticles. That is what I have on all my comp and hunting rifles from my 22LR PRS/LR to ELR. It's what I know, and I'm comfortable with.

The tube doesn't matter much, but the 50 or 56 objective bell usually means I'm in a high ring. My modern CRF Model 70 (375 H&H) was a simple affair, but before working with something older than I am, calls for some wisdom and experience outside of my possession.

My CZ 416 Rigby is probably more like your 404. It is a 1-8x24mm. Much more DG'esq. That one is a 30mm main tube.

 

[MRBlack]

Another vote for Talley. My 1960 model 70 in 300 H&H was factory drilled and tapped and the talley rings worked great. I’m not running a scope that big (Swarovski z3 3.5-10), but I’m sure the higher rings would work just fine.