Poor Man's Double Rifle

These are thick brass hulls not thin shot brass hulls. The Brenneke slugs fit tight in there so no need for glue or anything
 
BTW, my combination 16 ga./8x57 shoots the now obsolete Active slugs into 2 inches at 100 yards through a full choke, and to the same point of impact as the rifle! (Original Brenekes pattern as well, but 5 inches low and to the left of the rifle impact.) Anyone have any old Activ slugs for sale at any remotely sane price?
I realize this is an old thread, but I saw this listing for the slugs you use and thought I'd pass it along: https://www.africahunting.com/threads/poor-mans-double-rifle.47839/page-7
 

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As a boy in rural Georgia the dream of owning any kind of rifle was just that....a dream. We hunted everything with a shotgun! I have taken down deer with a slug from a 20g Sears single shot. When at 14 I was given a 12g Browning semi auto I though I had gone to heaven. The load order was slug, 00buckshot and 00buckshot. If the first shot was a good one the follow ups were not needed.
Your poor man’s double reminds me of those days so long ago when the shotgun was it! Your points show clearly that a good shotgun in the right hands is indeed usable on African game!
Thanks for sharing!
In S.W. Colorado, as a kid, I had a Winchester Hi-wall '85 in 38/55. Used 255gr. and tagged elk out to 150 yds or so yds. Get close, shoot once, Granpa used to say. 1960's.
 
THE POOR MAN’S DOUBLE RIFLE

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Using the “Poor man’s double” as back up on a Gemsbuck hunt. And no, the barrels are not pointed at his head I am sitting behind him.

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IvW,

That other guy with you, in the photo of the Gemsbok, sure does look familiar to me. Why? Because I'm about 100% positive it is ME and you were my PH! I remember you carrying that double barrel shotgun.

Way back in 2005. Mabelingwane property with Pieter Diedericks.

Your photo from your post:
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My photo:
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Here's another photo that might jog your memory:

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I can't believe it's been 20 years ago!! Where has the time gone?? :)

I hope you see this post. (Also, I'll send you a direct message.)

Cheers! Bob Faucett
 
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IvW,

That other guy with you, in the photo of the Gemsbok, sure does look familiar to me. Why? Because I'm about 100% positive it is ME and you were my PH! I remember you carrying that double barrel shotgun.

Way back in 2005. Mabelingwane property with Pieter Diedericks.

Your photo from your post:
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My photo:
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Here's another photo that might jog your memory:

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I can't believe it's been 20 years ago!! Where has the time gone?? :)

I hope you see this post. (Also, I'll send you a direct message.)

Cheers! Bob Faucett
100% Bob.....very nice seeing you here.....
It has been a long time......

Now if memory serves me that was kudu nr.2....you took him the last golden hr. Of the last hunting day.....magnificent kudu taken with your 9.3x62mm, perfect shot......never say never....not my stories to tell. Welcome and nice having you here.....time sure does go by quickly.....
 
100% Bob.....very nice seeing you here.....
It has been a long time......

Now if memory serves me that was kudu nr.2....you took him the last golden hr. Of the last hunting day.....magnificent kudu taken with your 9.3x62mm, perfect shot......never say never....not my stories to tell. Welcome and nice having you here.....time sure does go by quickly.....

Dang! You have an EXCELLENT memory. Yep, it was Kudu number two for me on that trip. (The only two I've ever taken.) I didn't plan to take another Kudu but I couldn't pass it up. If I remember correctly, the field measurement was 56 inches. (I never had it officially measured / scored.)

That was such a great trip for me! (y)

I've still got the 9.3x62 (CZ 550 American). There's some excellent memories for me attached to that rifle. And, you were a big part of making it all happen. Thanks again for that!


Kudu number one:

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A couple of more photos from that trip:

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My friend Todd with his Kudu. Who's that other guy on the left? He looks familiar. :D


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Sadly, my friend Todd passed away in 2020. He was 61. I miss him.


It was great finding you on here! Take care, my friend.

Cheers! Bob F. :)
 
My friend hunts with a Stoeger SxS in 28 gauge. he has had the Stoeger for at least 15 years and has a extra set of 20 gauge barrels that goes on it. A dove is in mortal danger if it flys by my friend. If I had never seen a 28 gauge in action I would not believe how good they shoot, He kills doves as far away as I can kill them with a twenty gauge.
 
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When I started my PH career, I just wanted to hunt DG. I jumped at any opportunity that arose and ended up hunting a lot of DG including PAC animals.

My first two years included taking care of problem leopards and Lion’s that wreaked havoc under the foals and calves on a 35000-acre area south west of Lion’s Den. I had no rifle at the time and had to make do with what I got from the outfitter and ranch owner. These where a 308 Win and a 7x57mm. I shot 7 leopard, 5 lionesses, more buffalo than I can remember and 1 Lion. For the buffalo I was permitted to use a spare 375 H&H and on very rare occasions the outfitters 500 Jeff, but not for the rest. I ended up shooting some of the buffalo with the 7x57mm as we bumped into them while out hunting other game for the pot. I always had a tracker with me and we used horses on most of the hunts to get to where we were going. I know these are not recommended for the purpose and even back then probably illegal, but it was the way it was.

During my first two years in between hunts where I was mostly in charge of looking after the camp while on safari, I spent many hrs checking and replenishing baits. Every now and then I would be invited to go along hunting elephant and buffalo. This was the life.

It was a very “wild” ranch and the cattle where just as wild as the game. If the owner ran short on cash we use to go out and shoot a “mombe” bullock and take it to the Lion’s den butchery for some well needed cash.

When we got sick of eating beef, I was sent out to shoot Impala or Sable (yes Sable!!) for a change in diet.

All the leopard and lion I shot during this time where shot over bait. I always made my blinds inside a tree as I often had to spend the night there on my own. These cat’s where also streetwise as they were livestock killers and I was very careful with regards to shot placement and never had to follow up any wounded leopard or lion.

After starting as a Freelance PH, I bought a 375 H&H believing I had the perfect back-up rifle. It served me well. I also bought a 500 Jeff which became my primary DG back up rifle.

Then on one hunt, a fellow PH’s client had wounded a leopard and they needed help on the back-up. As things developed on the follow up, we ended up being very lucky. The speed and ferocity of the attack was just mind boggling, the cat launching from an ant bear hole, the other PH used a buckshot loaded shotgun. First shot had no effect and as the cat launched, he fired the second barrel hitting the neck and shoulder, the cat bounced off him after grounding him and then took off after the tracker, who had decided distance between him and the enraged leopard was the best course of action. I could not shoot as the cat was between me and the tracker. As the tracker swerved, I fired and luckily dropped the cat. It took the tracker 45 minutes to return!!

At the skinning shed we found some pellets just under the skin, very dismal performance.

What stuck with me though was the fact that he had been able to get off 2 shots in the split seconds of the attack.

Having studied and read as much as I could about DG hunting and in particular following up on leopard it is mentioned that a shotgun loaded with buckshot is the way to go. You have 2 instant shots etc. etc.

I needed a double rifle but on my meager earnings could only dream as I could not afford one.

It needed to be light enough and short enough that if I have fired the first shot and I still had to be able to use the firearm with only my right hand to fire the second barrel if needed.

I read about somebody who had made a “Poor man’s double” from a shotgun.

I bought a Brno SxS shotgun with two triggers. I started experimenting with this on game mostly bush pig and warthogs. It very quickly became evident that buckshot of any size lacked penetration and was no good. I changed over to slugs in particular Brenneke slugs, wow what a difference!!!

Then I decided to shorten the barrels to make it more user friendly in the thick stuff and also to get rid of the chokes (3/4 and full). The gunsmith chopped off 4 inches and refitted the bead.

I continued my experiments and shot warthogs, bush pigs, impala, kudu, gemsbuck and blue wildebeest with it.

Being very satisfied with the results, I took it back to the gunsmith and had a proper front sight fitted and also a ghost ring sight on the back.

I now had my leopard medicine and an affordable and very effective “Poor man’s double”

I have used it extensively ever since.

The 4 inch section that was cut off and the front sight after it was fitted over the original bead. In the beginning I just used the bead.

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The action and the ghost ring sight fitted on the back.

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Top view of the front sight.

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Top view of the ghost ring sight.

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Brenneke slugs, original on the left, the other local fitted with Brenneke slugs, Armour brass solid brass case, that I use now for reloading and an original Brenneke slugs, good medicine for the “Poor man’s double”

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Excuse the pictures as they are pictures of pictures…some animals I hunted with the “Poor man’s double” during testing.

A warthog takes his last dip.

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Poor man’s buffalo, the perfect platform for testing..

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Kudu

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Warthog.

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Impala
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This was the longest shot before the Ghost ring and sight was fitted, just with the bead. 87 Long walking paces. I shot the ram from the treeline in the back ground at almost last light, he dropped on the spot.

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Blue wildebeest wounded by client and followed up and shot with the “Poor man’s double” and Brenneke slug.

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And another..

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Another one horned Impala.




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Using the “Poor man’s double” as back up on a Gemsbuck hunt. And no, the barrels are not pointed at his head I am sitting behind him.

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I hope this has given some insight into a cheap alternative to anybody who has ever thought about doing the same. Used within its limitations it is a wonderfully effective tool and I have had a lot of success and fun with this combination.
I teach double rifle shooting in my farm in Argentina and BEFORE shooting the double we shoot 500 shells of 12 gauge in a double shotgun.
 
After shooting double trigger 12 gauge shotguns at pidgeons doves clay and steel plates performing competitions with timers we move to the rifle itself and i prefer 10 soft reloads first.Idont put bullets between my fingers as i want a firm almost c grip and i reload with the shells like cowboy shooters do.Anything you need to see please ask .I can post photos.Sadly Monty Kalogeras closed his school buy in South Africa you have the school of Mynhard Herholdt Northern Cape professional hunters school or in Argentina you can harves hogs and birds with me and train with doubles.There are many experts on BASA SOUTH AFRICA or Jeff Rann or the master of the masters my friend Mark Sullivan. BUY A DOUBLE AND TRAIN ITS A PASSION WITH NO RETURN.
 
IvW,

Thanks for the interesting post, I would like to experiment with slugs too.

Please tell me more. Thanks.

Do the slugs penetrate straight in a buffalo?
Do you have any pictures of recovered slugs from buffalo especially Brenneke slugs ?
Do the slugs expand, fracture, remain nose forward in the buffalo?
What range and terminal velocity would be OK for buffalo?

I think that slugs on cape buffalo at close range may be under rated.
I am very keen to learn more.

Thanks, Brian
 
neat story.Thank you.
in the former communism part of Germany,so called DDR,only slugs were allowed for game.
No rifle,the mighty had fear that a sniper could switch them out.
The hunters there shot tons of red deer and boars with slugs(Schönebeck) from end of WW 2-1989

If my memory does not cloud me the .375 has only 30kg more than a 9,3x74R
 

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