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[Pondoro]

I don't think you understand, or simply do not want to. Let's go through some basics.

1 - know the difference between protesting and peaceful assembly vs violent riots. ... the left and media are quick to label these LA and the George Floyd events as "mostly peaceful protests" but Jan 6 was an insurrection. I dont know how any events with burning cars/buildings, shooting fireworks (explosives), throwing molotav cocktails, beating people in the streets, looting, etc. can be viewed as "mostly peaceful." It is straight up rioting and violent, dangerous activity. During Jan 6, people were let into buildings by security, they walked around taking pictures, but very little actual damage or violence was displayed. You tell me which of these events you'd rather find yourself go through as a citizen of that community. And if your answer isn't DC for Jan 6, I immediately dismiss any further thoughts you have on the subject because youre either lying or mentally challenged.

2 - you keep making this some form of Trump is bad issue, or Trump vs Newsome. Once again, would you rather have your city/state (local) officials do nothing to protect you and your city, or federal officials taking action to stop the violence. ... neither Trump nor Newsome started these riots, but one of them is willing to stop them from continuing, which is exactly what needs to be done. Send force in numbers and stop the problem from continuing.

3- think about what these riots are actually about. People are "protesting" the enforcement of state and federal laws, and wanting to stop legal law enforcement personnel from doing their jobs.

4- stop trying to make this into something its not... none of the National Guard, Marines, nor LAPD are using lethal rounds or spraying the protesters with gasoline so they set themselves on fire. ... yes, some members here have said (I believe in jest, but perhaps not) thy are Ok with such force being applied. That doesnt mean its actually happening. -- I stated a couple pages ago that if there were real force used, the bullshit would stop and quickly. Too many feel that their actions have no consequences, but if they did it would change things in a hurry. I am not advocating lethal action, but I do support harsh force. The best parallel i can give is today's cotton candy assed approach to give a kid a time out when they really deserve to get their ass beat: you dont have to start at a level 10 reaction, but you should absolutely be willing to work your way up to it until the punishment discourages the bad behavior.

I've got a lot more to say on the topic, but if the above doesn’t sink in, the rest is wasted time talking to you. But I do want to leave you with 1 very specific question after you've considered the above.

Do you support the LA Rioters in their actions, exactly as they are unfolding over the past several days, and feel they are in the right to continue without any intervention?

1 - You paint Jan 6 as peaceful..Congress was stormed and one person shot dead. The stormers were prosecuted and convicted..several to long sentences.. Was it right to pardon each and everyone by Trump..? Has he nothing but contempt for US courts..?

2 - It is very debatable that 4000 NG and 700 Marines are neccesary to quell the riots. The Marines are combat soldiers.. Combat soldiers against citizens..? Yes, there are citizens..not just illegals protesting because they think Trump and ICE are going too far.

3 - People are angry and protest against policies they do not agree on.

4 - May I humbly remind you that the Ohio NG shot and killed 4 and wounded 9 Kent State students by gunshot on May 4th 1970.during a Vietnam War protest. If things escalate in LA it may end up horribly wrong.. And the NG is one thing..fully trained Marines are trained to kill in war.. If, God help us, they open fire and kill civilians you will have more than riots in LA to worry about..

 

[Brent in Az]

 

[Brent in Az]

This POS.

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Problem is, when that scumbag dies, he has P.O.S kids who will carry on with Daddy's agenda.

 

[RLD]

Problem is, when that scumbag dies, he has P.O.S kids who will carry on with Daddy's agenda.

How did that Antifa attack on the ICE detention center you warned us about go? Or did "DC Draino" manage to foil it?

 

[Rocked and Loaded]

1 - You paint Jan 6 as peaceful..Congress was stormed and one person shot dead. The stormers were prosecuted and convicted..several to long sentences.. Was it right to pardon each and everyone by Trump..? Has he nothing but contempt for US courts..?

2 - It is very debatable that 4000 NG and 700 Marines are neccesary to quell the riots. The Marines are combat soldiers.. Combat soldiers against citizens..? Yes, there are citizens..not just illegals protesting because they think Trump and ICE are going too far.

3 - People are angry and protest against policies they do not agree on.

4 - May I humbly remind you that the Ohio NG shot and killed 4 and wounded 9 Kent State students by gunshot on May 4th 1970.during a Vietnam War protest. If things escalate in LA it may end up horribly wrong.. And the NG is one thing..fully trained Marines are trained to kill in war.. If, God help us, they open fire and kill civilians you will have more than riots in LA to worry about..

You make valid points until you get to number three.

With all due respect, I’m not entirely sure that you know what protest means in English.

In the USA, arson and assault are not a protected form of protest. Or do you just not believe these things are occurring?

 

[Pondoro]

You make valid points until you get to number three.

With all due respect, I’m not entirely sure that you know what protest means in English.

In the USA, arson and assault are not a protected form of protest. Or do you just not believe these things are occurring?

Protests unfortunately always attract "professional rioters".. I am all for striking hard at those..but this are police matters..let them handle it.

 

[Wishfulthinker580]

It always amazes how societies over correct when correcting course. It’s astonishing that the descendants of the Vikings have become what they are today. Sort of like what the Germans have become since those things happened last century. Not unlike what the white liberals in America have become or what has happened to Britain. Self loathers and soft as charmin. It’s sad to see. Mind you I’m not saying they shouldn’t have course corrected (obviously). They just went way too far the other way. There are certainly exceptions of course. This is why we can’t have nice things and why Rome fell.

 

[Tundra Tiger]

Protests unfortunately always attract "professional rioters".. I am all for striking hard at those..but this are police matters..let them handle it.

I thought @BSO Dave answered this exceedingly well a few pages back. Let me refresh your memory...

"Secondly, it is quite obvious, at least in LA, that the local police are overwhelmed... They do not have the manpower, resources, or the will and support of the government to handle the rioting. That is precisely what the National Guard is for and why it should have been deployed in overwhelming force the first minute the unrest began."

This escalated beyond a "police matter" long ago, for the reasons Dave said.

 

[Rocked and Loaded]

Protests unfortunately always attract "professional rioters".. I am all for striking hard at those..but this are police matters..let them handle it.

But they aren’t. I feel like we’re talking in circles.

-nobody is against peaceful protest
-the powers that be in LA, including the police, are not “handling it”
-the “professional rioters” need to be stopped

All of this necessitates state involvement and since there is no state involvement, it necessitates federal involvement.

I can’t make it any clearer than that. So I suppose we will have to disagree.

My big hope is that this helps prevent a summer of riots like we had in 2020. Either because local authorities are more proactive in order to avoid federal (Trump) intervention or because the rioters get a large enough bloody nose that they think twice.

 

[John Wasmuth]

Someone needs to buy a clue…….

 

[BSO Dave]

1 - You paint Jan 6 as peaceful..Congress was stormed and one person shot dead. The stormers were prosecuted and convicted..several to long sentences.. Was it right to pardon each and everyone by Trump..? Has he nothing but contempt for US courts..?

J-6:
50,000+ peaceful protestors
2,000 protestors went on to the Capitol of which 1,575 were arrested mostly for non-violent trespass...
Approximately 600 were charged with assault or impedance of law enforcement, and
of those 600, 174 were charged with felonies...

Contrary to what the media would have you believe, there were no law enforcement officers killed during the J-6 riot. The only death was an unarmed protester named Ashli Babbit, a U.S. Military veteran, who was fatally shot by a Capitol police officer who was never charged with murder...

What the media also fails to acknowledge is that every single person arrested on J-6 was denied due process... Trump's pardons were for those charged unfairly, and others adjudicated for time already served that exceeded the normal sentence of said crimes...

Can you please cite a specific example of Trump's contempt or disobedience for any U.S. Court decision? Let me save you some time, there are none... Do not confuse Trump's criticism of Lawfare with actual contempt or failure to follow the rule of law by any U.S. Court...

2 - It is very debatable that 4000 NG and 700 Marines are neccesary to quell the riots. The Marines are combat soldiers.. Combat soldiers against citizens..? Yes, there are citizens..not just illegals protesting because they think Trump and ICE are going too far.

I agree the numbers you cite are debatable... There should be more like 10,000 National Guardsmen, and 5,000 Marines to adequately disperse the unrest...

Regardless, the Marines are not there to engage with U.S. Citizens who are LAWFULLY protesting. They are there to protect Federal property and back up law enforcement...

3 - People are angry and protest against policies they do not agree on.

Again, you are not hearing what so many have tried to convey to you in this discussion... There is an enormous difference between lawful, peaceful protest and rioting... Even the few legitimate protesters that may be in attendance are doing so without a permit... That is called unlawful assembly, and therefore technically breaking the law...

4 - May I humbly remind you that the Ohio NG shot and killed 4 and wounded 9 Kent State students by gunshot on May 4th 1970.during a Vietnam War protest. If things escalate in LA it may end up horribly wrong.. And the NG is one thing..fully trained Marines are trained to kill in war.. If, God help us, they open fire and kill civilians you will have more than riots in LA to worry about..

The events that occurred at Kent State is not the same situation by a mile...

Regardless, U.S. Citizen or not, those who are protesting legally and peacefully, have nothing to fear in these riots... Criminals, not so much....

 

[Brent in Az]

Protests unfortunately always attract "professional rioters".. I am all for striking hard at those..but this are police matters..let them handle it.

I would explain it to you, however, cluelessness seems to be endemic in your little world.

 

[Brent in Az]

Someone needs to buy a clue…….

Alex...... I'll take "Not going to happen" for $500.

 

[rigbymauser]

Actually, that is not the case at all according to the stats from registered voters taken from the 2024 election... There was a national surge in republican voter registration along with a significant swing towards conservatism among demographics that historically have not voted for republicans or conservatism. The conservative movement was most significant with the youth vote, black males, and Hispanics that had traditionally voted democrat. Trump campaigned much differently this time around appealing to these demographics much more so than the obviously disingenuous democrat candidates like Harris and Waltz. Trump was the cool candidate that the younger voters rallied toward while resoundingly rejecting the woke nonsense that the left doubled down on in defeat...

What you are seeing is not a growing division, but a democratic party in this country that has continued to shift even farther left politically with a much more vocal and more radicalized fringe that has taken over the party at least in regard to MSM coverage and the propaganda...

So true.

However just remember in the US there are a two-party system and everything have fit into this interpretation whether one may disagree on many issues the party you are left to vote for. So each of the two parties have to contain just about everything from goofballs, lunatics and levelheaded folks from all sides whether they are represented or not because there is no other choice. Inthe 80s and 90s where I spended most of my time in the US, democrates and republicans could find a commen ground of many issues. Today seen from outside with the political retoric in the US its plain hate. But its all signs of the times almost biblical from Matt. 24:12.

 

[mdwest]

Protests unfortunately always attract "professional rioters".. I am all for striking hard at those..but this are police matters..let them handle it.

Clearly you either didnt read earlier posts, or are completely and willfully ignorant of how things work in the US if you continue to believe this is a police matter..

If you just wish to remain ignorant, I suppose there is nothing anyone can do to educate you.. keep babbling nonsense.. I think Mark Twain had a wonderful statement on things like this... "It is better to remain quiet and thought a fool, than to open your mouth and confirm it".. if its your desire to continue to confirm things for us, I suppose we'll continue to watch you play the fool..

Perhaps large scale violent riots are police matters in Norway... large scale violent riots are not police matters in the US... they become matters for the National Guard and potentially federal troops when they scale past the ability for law enforcement to contain them... this is the way our laws are written, its the way the system is designed, and it is the standard by which numerous US Presidents have responded over the life of our country.

If you don't like the thought that US Presidents do this as a matter of practice (Trump didn't invent the idea, and he isn't the first or only US President to do it), perhaps you should stay in Sweden. If you live in the US long enough you will see this happen every time riots get out of control because local law enforcement don't have the capacity, training, or equipment to handle large scale riots, but National Guards units do.. that is why they get called out..

In 1863 the NY National Guard and the US Marines were called into New York City over the draft riots..

This is nothing new... it is the US way of handling these sort of events.. and has been for a very, very long time..

 

[mdwest]

Protests unfortunately always attract "professional rioters".. I am all for striking hard at those..but this are police matters..let them handle it.

This goes much deeper than that..

It is now coming to light that these protests/riots are being funded by Neville Singham...

Do a little research and learn who Singham is..

He is an avowed Marxist that has been very clear that what he wants is to see an end to the Western world as we know it. He also funded several of the pro-palestine protests that resulted in violence across the US last year.. and he funded several Anti-NATO activities in hopes of Ukraine losing its war to Russia (thereby putting Europe at greater risk). He is married to the woman that founded "Code Pink" the extreme leftist womens professional protestors that show up wearing pussy hats everywhere..

Singham funding and intentionally trying to undermine western society through violent protests that result in millions of dollars in property damage, people getting injured and killed, and nations being overthrown is certainly a police matter... the protests that become violent riots are not (at least not in the US)..

the problem is Singham and his wife live in China... so what exactly are US police supposed to do about it?

It should also be noted that Singham is directly in business with the Chinese national government. They co-own companies that produce communist propaganda that gets distributed throughout the western world..

These protests don't just attract professional rioters.. they are funded by professional millionaire/billionaire anarchists like Singham and Soros and organized by violent communists, that want to see an end to the western world.. the protests don't just "happen" and then the pros show up to throw rocks and set things on fire.. they are very carefully planned and executed events..

Group Stoking Anti-ICE LA Riots Tied To Pro-Chinese Communist Millionaire

A socialist group that promoted the chaotic anti-deportation protests in Los Angeles that began Friday is tied to a network of groups bankrolled by a pro-China millionaire. The Party for Socialism and Liberation (PSL) spoke out in support of the mob rioting against Immigration and Customs...

www.aol.com

Who is funding the anti-ICE activists in LA?

Anti-ICE activists in Los Angeles are well funded and part of a coordinated operation led by various Democratic-aligned groups.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

China-linked tech tycoon Neville Singham has secret group of operatives at Columbia University

The Shanghai-based Marxist millionaire behind an anti-U.S and anti-Israel disinformation network has a cadre of operatives embedded at Columbia.

www.yahoo.com

 

[BSO Dave]

Inthe 80s and 90s where I spended most of my time in the US, democrates and republicans could find a commen ground of many issues. Today seen from outside with the political retoric in the US its plain hate.

You make a very interesting point that I have previously made myself in regard to the differences between the republican and democratic parties of the 80's and 90's that I happen to agree with... It used to be that the main difference between the parties was that they had different ideas about how to reach the same common goals...

I have issue with both parties, and I will never again think along any single party line... However, my issue with today's democratic party is that they no longer share the same visions, goals, and principles that used to be that source for common ground and compromise... How do you compromise with a party whose ideologies and platforms are rooted in the complete and utter disregard for our Constitution and the rule of law is it supposed to represent? How do you find common ground with a party that loathes this country and wants to destroy everything it represents?

Furthermore, it goes far beyond politics... I share no sense of morality, community, or cultural values with the democrats of today. The party that once claimed to represent peace, tolerance, free speech, and inclusion is anything but given their actions... They have become the ultimate hypocrites, and they do so with hateful rhetoric and the incitement of violence at every opportunity... How does one even begin to compromise or find common ground under those circumstances? I, for one, cannot and will not...

 

[barryk]

I agree with Trump's actions to end this nonsense now.....whatever manpower is required. Again, delay in holding people accountable is what "fuels the fire". After being somewhat educated on this site regarding drone warfare, I'm surprised the Left hasn't chosen this as a course of action. I would hope the SO's and PD's across our country are bracing for this possibility...and training for counter-measures. I'm just a "peasant with a pitchfork" but it would seem to me that drones mixed with a little AI could create a new sick angle to rioting and violence.

 

[Betterinthebush]

All this talk of Sweden got me hungry for some Lutefisk, Swedish meatballs, knefla soup and Surströmming. Well, maybe not Surströmming, it sounds like maybe this year’s crop of Baltic herring was very potent.
But the meatballs for sure!

 

[Brent in Az]

Federal judge rejects Newsom's emergency motion to block Trumps use of the national guard.

As it should be!