Politics

[BSO Dave]

So if this unrest is spreading to other major cities over the US..should the army be deployed full scale or should the police handle it..?

You really don't deserve a serious answer, but I will provide one anyway...

First of all, there would be no spread of rioting if it was handled properly and forcefully in the first place... California's incompetence and refusal to meet the moment is a big part of the problem... You won't see these riots spread to red-controlled cities and states because this bullshit would not be tolerated by those in charge...

Secondly, it is quite obvious, at least in LA, that the local police are overwhelmed... They do not have the manpower, resources, or the will and support of the government to handle the rioting. That is precisely what the National Guard is for and why it should have been deployed in overwhelming force the first minute the unrest began...

 

[wesheltonj]

@Pondoro You want to have the protesters shot..dont you..?

I don’t. I want the US citizens arrested and charged in the Federal system. So their Moma’s can come down the the Federal Court house and plead for mercy for their misunderstood child, and say they won’t do it again and watch as the judge sentences them to Federal time which is day for day.

The non-citizen I want deported, period.

 

[Rocked and Loaded]

So if this unrest is spreading to other major cities over the US..should the army be deployed full scale or should the police handle it..?

Maybe there’s a European/American disconnect here. Local police forces answer to different political bodies, which can effect how they respond to events like riots.

Police chiefs are usually appointed and answer directly to mayors. Fortunately I live in an area under an elected sheriff and they answer to the voters. It’s unlikely that a riot of this magnitude would be permitted to metastasize where I live. The city of LA is a different animal.

In many states, there would already be state police deployed to help quell the violence. There would be no need for federal intervention but in this case, Gavin Newsome has abrogated his duty because the democrats in California have married themselves politically to illegal immigration.

Now we have a Republican President sending troops to help control anarchy in a Democrat state so there’s obvious political overtones. On the other hand, I’m a Californian resident living within driving distance from LA and I’m happy someone is doing something to deal with this shit show.

 

[mdwest]

So if this unrest is spreading to other major cities over the US..should the army be deployed full scale or should the police handle it..?

you have to define "Army"...

every state in the US has a "National Guard" that is controlled by the governor, not the President (unless the President federalizes them). the National Guard has an "Army" component as well as an "Air Force" component..

it would be standard procedure in the US if there is unrest in a city, that the governor of that state mobilize the national guard if it gets to the level that local and state law enforcement cant handle it..

Only in the case (such as California) where the state level government fails to act timely or in the right capacity does the federal government get involved.. then the President will take control of the national guard assets and deploy them as needed..

remember these are not federal troops (although the President can do that too if necessary under certain conditions.. such as he just mobilized 500+ Marines to secure federal buildings in Los Angeles).. these are part time military members whose primary purpose is to handle matters at the state level.. whether that is civil projects after natural disasters (hurricanes, tornadoes, earth quakes, forest fires, etc)... or civil unrest issues..

 

[LivingTheDream]

I think the other thing not mentioned is some of these people are paid agitators. And I am also that these rioters are not all organic, and some of these people are being paid as well/or least being bussed in.

If the people paying for this were also arrested and jailed for any amount of time, I can assure their would be a lot less riots and more actual peaceful protests.

 

[spike.t]

OK...so "shoot the protestors" or however it was said......the RIOTERS throwing petrol bombs and firing commercial grade fireworks...mmm as I said I would have thought this would make them legal targets,as either of the mentioned are lethal weapons....and they aren't using them for a fun day out...so yes if needed ...

 

[skydiver386]

You want to have the protesters shot..dont you..?

See my post above on how to differentiate between a legal protest, and attempted murder, or felony assault on a Police Officer.

I think our primary problem here is a failure to communicate due to your severe cranial rectal inversion. When I see one as severe as yours, medical attention is often required.

 

[wesheltonj]

If your throwing a petrol bomb at people, IMO you’re fair game for some lead.

 

[1dirthawker]

You want to have the protesters shot..dont you..?

i would love to see the violent ones shot....

with bean bag loads out of a shotgun.

then arrested, then jailed or deported depending on status.

 

[Pondoro]

Maybe there’s a European/American disconnect here. Local police forces answer to different political bodies, which can effect how they respond to events like riots.

Police chiefs are usually appointed and answer directly to mayors. Fortunately I live in an area under an elected sheriff and they answer to the voters. It’s unlikely that a riot of this magnitude would be permitted to metastasize where I live. The city of LA is a different animal.

In many states, there would already be state police deployed to help quell the violence. There would be no need for federal intervention but in this case, Gavin Newsome has abrogated his duty because the democrats in California have married themselves politically to illegal immigration.

Now we have a Republican President sending troops to help control anarchy in a Democrat state so there’s obvious political overtones. On the other hand, I’m a Californian resident living within driving distance from LA and I’m happy someone is doing something to deal with this shit show.

No disconnect here..we also have a National Guard that may be deployed to quell violence if police loose control and if natural disasters occur etc.

But this is a political fight by Trump against a governor he dislike intensly..right..? This is a protest against how ICE conduct deportations..politically from top to bottom in LA it seems..

 

[Brent in Az]

The issue is that LAPD should handle this.. Trump use this to fight Newcom politically by overriding his decisions and deploy NG and Marines. Troops on the street may be pouring gas on the situation..

This is Trump theatre..political theatre..calling him Newscum etc.

But it seems rather futile to point this out to you people..who think its ok to shoot at protesters with live ammunition and spray them with gasoline and ignite them..

I fully agree that burning the flag of the country you want to live in and wave the flag of the country you dont want to live i (Mexico) is insane.. But you cant shoot or burn them to death..

Sounds like you have CNN over there to tell you what to think

 

[Rocked and Loaded]

You want to have the protesters shot..dont you..?

Assuming you want a real answer…

Hyperbole aside, I do not want anyone shot. I also don’t want federal officers to be assaulted or prevented from doing their jobs. I do not want anymore building looted or vehicles burned.

I want peaceful protesters to exercise their rights. I want the local and state governments to do their job and maintain order and prevent violence. I want people who disagree with each other politically to act like human beings rather than animals.

If those things are not possible, then I want the president to help restore lawfulness and end the anarchy. If that that can be done with non-lethal means, then I support that. If violent actions from rioters, as opposed to peaceful protesters, necessitate a lethal response, then I support that as well.

I do not believe anyone really wants to see anyone shot or burned or killed. I do not believe anyone in law enforcement or the national guard wants to do that. I was never in the military and I have never harmed another human. Hopefully I never have to. But I also recognize that the situation in LA must end and that the use of force, within reason, is morally permissible.

Again, to be clear, this is in regards to violent rioters. Protest is legal and should always be protected as a right. However, what is occurring and what we want a response to is not legitimate protest. Carry signs, march, yell, swear, speak as you like but when you begin throwing Molotov cocktails and looting you cease to be a protester and an armed response is warranted .

 

[Pondoro]

Sounds like you have CNN over there to tell you what to think

No..but America is clearly getting more and more divided politically..

 

[Tanks]

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the riots in LA are the best free campaign ad gift the Democrats have given the Republicans in a very, very long time..

keep on burning down your own back yard... you're just creating more red vote conversions in other states while making life in your home state more difficult in the future..

Didn't help Trump or Republicans in 2020 when we had similar George Floyd riots. Remember CNN "mostly peaceful" protests with City burning in the background. It will not change Democrat minds.

 

[Rocked and Loaded]

No disconnect here..we also have a National Guard that may be deployed to quell violence if police loose control and if natural disasters occur etc.

But this is a political fight by Trump against a governor he dislike intensly..right..? This is a protest against how ICE conduct deportations..politically from top to bottom in LA it seems..

No. The violence that the governor is ignoring is not protected by the constitution. It is anarchy that must be quelled.

Certainly there is no love lost between Trump and Newsome but that doesn’t change the reality that LA has an uncontrolled, violent, insurrection that must be brought under control.

 

[Hillbilly Marine]

OK...so "shoot the protestors" or however it was said......the RIOTERS throwing petrol bombs and firing commercial grade fireworks...mmm as I said I would have thought this would make them legal targets,as either of the mentioned are lethal weapons....and they aren't using them for a fun day out...so yes if needed ...

You are correct, sir! There is a real difference between "crowd control" at a truly peaceful protest and stopping a full fledged riot. When one is faced with force one must return the favor. I was taught very violent, basic, and crude maneuvers in riot control and urban warfare (which is what we have in essence in this case) that are vicious and end only when the threat is eliminated.

These goobers who are shooting some really good fireworks and molotove cocktails cease to be protesters and become armed, legitimate targets for elimination. By allowing them to continue the weak powers that be in California are encouraging further actions. Like Barney Fife said "Nip it, nip it in the bud!"

 

[Wishfulthinker580]

Color me crazy but I have a sneaking suspicion that if any of the defenders of these rioters had the misfortune of themselves, their families, their private property, their businesses or their neighborhoods/communities targeted by similar behavior they would want it dealt with forthwith. I know it’s a wild thought.

 

[Brent in Az]

No..but America is clearly getting more and more divided politically..

Yes it is. That is the democrats modus operandi " Divide & conquer"

 

[skydiver386]

Didn't help Trump or Republicans in 2020 when we had similar George Floyd riots. Remember CNN "mostly peaceful" protests with City burning in the background. It will not change Democrat minds.

Democrats are not the people he was referring to.

 

[RLD]

I think the other thing not mentioned is some of these people are paid agitators. And I am also that these rioters are not all organic, and some of these people are being paid as well/or least being bussed in.

If the people paying for this were also arrested and jailed for any amount of time, I can assure their would be a lot less riots and more actual peaceful protests.

Who pays them?