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[jruby]

There is proof,

New documents detail government's case that mistakenly deported man was a gang member

The documents were released after weeks of pressure on the Trump administration to prove its contention that Kilmar Abrego Garcia was a member of MS-13.

www.nbcnews.com

Thank you

 

[jruby]

From the article posted above

"Xinis questioned the evidence an immigration judge used to determine that Abrego Garcia is a gang member. She said in a ruling that he has no criminal record in the United States or El Salvador and that the “‘evidence’ against Abrego Garcia consisted only of his Chicago Bulls hat and hoodie, and a vague, uncorroborated allegation from a confidential informant claiming he belonged to MS-13’s ‘Western’ clique in New York — a place he has never lived.” "

 

[Brent in Az]

No proof of him being a MS13 gang leader. If you do show me.

Statements like this make people question whose side you are really on.?

Kilmar Abrego Garcia is an MS-13 Gang member with a History of Violence | Homeland Security

The mainstream media has peddled a sob story about Kilmar Abrego Garcia. The facts are he is an illegal alien from El Salvador, a MS-13 gang member, and has a history of violence.

www.dhs.gov

 

[jruby]

Statements like this make people question whose side you are really on.?

Kilmar Abrego Garcia is an MS-13 Gang member with a History of Violence | Homeland Security

The mainstream media has peddled a sob story about Kilmar Abrego Garcia. The facts are he is an illegal alien from El Salvador, a MS-13 gang member, and has a history of violence.

www.dhs.gov

I believe in the constitution and the law ( our judicial system ).

 

[CJW]

From the article posted above

"Xinis questioned the evidence an immigration judge used to determine that Abrego Garcia is a gang member. She said in a ruling that he has no criminal record in the United States or El Salvador and that the “‘evidence’ against Abrego Garcia consisted only of his Chicago Bulls hat and hoodie, and a vague, uncorroborated allegation from a confidential informant claiming he belonged to MS-13’s ‘Western’ clique in New York — a place he has never lived.” "

Was he here illegally?

 

[bowjijohn]

Quelle surprise

Trump says US will 'pass' on Ukraine peace talks if no progress soon

Trump's comments came hours after US Secretary of State Marco Rubio warned that the US could abandon talks.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[jruby]

Was he here illegally?

Do you believe in due process?

 

[BSO Dave]

Do you believe in due process?

For American citizens? Absolutely...!

For illegal aliens and terrorists? Absolutely not!

I did a quick search, but I count find any of your posts condemning the unconstitutionality of the Biden Administration violating the due process of J-6er's... Where was your outrage over the denial of due process over ACTAUL American citizens?

 

[John Wasmuth]

I believe in the constitution and the law ( our judicial system ).

He had a “withholding” placed on him by an immigration judge which means he had a temporary stay of deportation and couldn’t be deported to his country of origin but would be deported to somewhere else. Now that MS-13 has been declared a “Terrorist Organization” he was allowed to be sent home, home being El Sal…….. having been declared a “Terrorist” he got locked up by that, his home countries, government for safe keeping as not not worry about some questionable senators motives for human smuggling his happy ass back to the U.S. and be charged with a felony for a second attempted unlawful reentry after having been lawfully deported……

 

[jruby]

For American citizens? Absolutely...!

For illegal aliens and potential terrorists? Absolutely not!

So where does it say specifically who is and who is not protected by the 14th amendment?

Interpretation: The Fourteenth Amendment Due Process Clause | Constitution Center

Interpretations of The Fourteenth Amendment Due Process Clause by constitutional scholars

constitutioncenter.org

It states the governments repsonsibiliy not the individuals repsonsibility only thier rights
You do believe in the constitution, right?

 

[BSO Dave]

It states the governments repsonsibiliy not the individuals repsonsibility only thier rights
You do believe in the constitution, right?

So where does it say specifically who is and who is not protected by the 14th amendment?

I believe in the "literal" interpretation of the Constitution... I do not, nor will I ever believe in the whatever the SCOTUS liberal minorities' interpretation is likely to be...

Again, where is/was your outrage of the denial of due process for the J-6er's? Do you actually believe in the Constitution as it applies to actual American citizens, or are you just another liberal hypocrite?

 

[jruby]

I believe in the "literal" interpretation of the Constitution... I do not, nor will I ever believe in the whatever the SCOTUS liberal minorities' interpretation is likely to be...

Again, where is/was your outrage of the denial of due process for the J-6er's? Do you actually believe in the Constitution as it applies to actual American citizens, or are you just another liberal hypocrite?

Pretty evident they attacked the capital - I have none, they went through our legal system and were found guilty of what they were charged with. So you support insurrectionists?

I believe that the constitution apllies to anyone in our country.

 

[Wheels]

And now a worrying development here....

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.....also if you are a moderator on a group chat you are also liable for what others post/say....

Zambian cyber-security law: US embassy issues alert

The US says a new Zambian law is more intrusive than equivalents in many other countries.

www.bbc.com

Wow, does that mean you will have to close down your Northern Rhodesia WhatsApp group chat.

 

[John Wasmuth]

Who knew…

 

[BSO Dave]

Pretty evident they attacked the capital - I havew none they went through our legal system and were found guilty of what they were charged with. So you support insurrectionists?

LOL... You are obviously grossly misinformed, or in denial as to what actually occurred with these individuals...

All individuals arrested and charged with crimes for J-6 were denied due process... Hundreds of citizens that the Biden DOJ acknowledged to be non-violent attendees were denied their entire due process including bail, plea hearings, access to legal defense and speedy trial...

I didn't think I could get you to show your actual colors by using the word "insurrectionist"... If you truly believe that what occurred on J-6 at the Capitol was an actual insurrection, you are truly lost my friend...

An egregious denial of due process for Jan. 6 protesters

The footage was kept from the American public by a Democratic Congress so a false narrative became cemented in the public consciousness.

nypost.com

 

[bowjijohn]

Wow, does that mean you will have to close down your Northern Rhodesia WhatsApp group chat.

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It was called the GNR

Great North Road

For those of us borne in N Rhodesia

 

[jruby]

LOL... You are obviously grossly misinformed, or in denial as to what actually occurred with these individuals...

All individuals arrested and charged with crimes for J-6 were denied due process... Hundreds of citizens that the Biden DOJ acknowledged to be non-violent attendees were denied their entire due process including bail, plea hearings, access to legal defense and speedy trial...

I didn't think I could get you to show your actual colors by using the word "insurrectionist"... If you truly believe that what occurred on J-6 at the Capitol was an actual insurrection, you are truly lost my friend...

An egregious denial of due process for Jan. 6 protesters

The footage was kept from the American public by a Democratic Congress so a false narrative became cemented in the public consciousness.

nypost.com

Of the more than 1,265 individuals charged since Jan. 6, 2021, department prosecutors have secured more than 718 guilty pleas -- including 213 who pleaded to felonies that include assaults on federal officers, obstructing law enforcement and seditious conspiracy.

3 years later, Jan. 6 by the numbers: More than 1,200 charged, more than 460 imprisoned for role in Capitol attack

In the three years since Jan. 6, federal prosecutors have charged more than 1,265 defendants across nearly all 50 states and D.C.

abcnews.go.com

 

[Wheels]

It’s definitely a weird cause for the democrats to be so hung up on. It’s the same kind of tone deaf nonsense that cost them the election.

We’ll see how that works for them in the midterms. Much is made about Trump self immolating but the fact the dems have, apparently, managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory twice causes me to wonder if they have enough self awareness to actually make gains in the midterms. I’m unconvinced based on their political focus thus far.

The average American doesn’t consider the fate of an illegal alien, gang member to be of great constitutional import since they are neither of those things yet I see democrats trying to frame this in a “if it can happen to him it can happen to you” light. The average American voter is neither of those things, so why should they care?

Yet they paint this as a crisis that will somehow end in actual Americans getting sent abroad and a devolution into a Russian style police state. I think this is a losing issue for them. The right is happy to see him deported and the middle doesn’t care. Only the far left sees themselves in a wife-beating, member of ms-13.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1912979679461691665

 

[Wheels]

So where does it say specifically who is and who is not protected by the 14th amendment?

Interpretation: The Fourteenth Amendment Due Process Clause | Constitution Center

Interpretations of The Fourteenth Amendment Due Process Clause by constitutional scholars

constitutioncenter.org

It states the governments repsonsibiliy not the individuals repsonsibility only thier rights
You do believe in the constitution, right?

I'm not overly concerned about "interpretations" of anything related to the Constitution. I prefer reading it myself.

The 14th Amendment was to give citizenship to slaves. It didn't even give citizenships to American Indians, much less illegal immigrants who have broken the law to get into the country.

 

[BSO Dave]

Of the more than 1,265 individuals charged since Jan. 6, 2021, department prosecutors have secured more than 718 guilty pleas -- including 213 who pleaded to felonies that include assaults on federal officers, obstructing law enforcement and seditious conspiracy.

First of all, this comment above has absolutely NOTHING to do with the fact that they were ALL denied due process in one form or another throughout the ordeal... Your original post addressed your apparent outrage over due process being denied to illegal aliens and terrorists, and you justified that argument by waving your uncodified interpretation of the Constitution in my face... Yet, when I challenged you on the same due process violations in regard to American citizens your answer to me is that they were insurrectionists... That sort of blatant hypocrisy is actually no surprise from anyone who seriously uses the word insurrection in regard to J-6... LOL...!

Second, it's all irrelevant now... Trump rightfully pardoned or commuted the sentences the vast majority of so-called "offenders"... The handful of violent protesters who actually committed real crimes have not been granted pardons and rightfully so...