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[WAB]

Would love to see all the subsidies vanish....we farm citrus, no subsidies whatsoever, just crop insurance and pray for rain and no freezes....and of course high taxes and production costs. We have way too much gooberment involved in ag, with too much control.

I totally agree. I grew up farming in Canada. I hate the marketing board system. The government needs to get out of the farming business.

 

[WAB]

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I lit it with a mixture of diesel and used gear oil too

Flying over you right now bud, on my way home from Ireland.

 

[barryk]

As far as Canada becoming the 51st state? Trump just needs to STFU on that idea.
We dont need to add the liberal population of Canada to the cesspool of liberals we already have in this country.

Agree...however...it is entertaining to see "heads explode" when he comments on this.

 

[YancyW]

Quota to sell the milk one kg of milk quota costs roughly 24000 currently. Which is roughly the amount produced by 1 milking cow per day.

Is there someplace you can direct me to learn what that means, I still have no clue. One kg of milk is 2.2lbs, that is a roughly a 1/4 of a gallon, the average cow producing 20 x that much in a day.

So the dairy owner has to pay someone or something 24,000 for every cow they want to add to their operation? Who do they have to pay? How much do they making per hundredweight to cover those insanely high costs to entry?

 

[Fastrig]

Is there someplace you can direct me to learn what that means, I still have no clue. One kg of milk is 2.2lbs, that is a roughly a 1/4 of a gallon, the average cow producing 20 x that much in a day.

So the dairy owner has to pay someone or something 24,000 for every cow they want to add to their operation? Who do they have to pay? How much do they making per hundredweight to cover those insanely high costs to entry?

Was wondering if that might be per metric ton and not kilogram.

 

[PARA45]

The USA has labelled both Canada and the EU as threats to their "National Security" in order to justify new duties declared by their military Commander-in-Chief on the international trade of steel and aluminum. So I suggest that USA made products such as firearms and ammunition should be sold exclusively within the USA so Canada and Europe can help our esteemed neighbour defend themselves and improve their national security. Sadly, I have come to the conclusion that Canadians and Europeans should make do with their own products exclusively. For all our AfricaHunting friends in Canada, Europe, Africa and elsewhere, please don't buy any American made products. Lets's support the USA in their concern. One can never be too careful when there are evil guys to deal with, and it is our duty to help, as always.

Here we are 2685 pages and 53,684 posts, or 53,685 us you count this post, and the world didn't end, and we are still discussing what started this thread 8 years ago.

 

[Wishfulthinker580]

A little levity here. Annoying ad at the end

 

[OxfordTheCat]

Here we are 2685 pages and 53,684 posts, or 53,685 us you count this post, and the world didn't end, and we are still discussing what started this thread 8 years ago.

Yep.

Hard to believe we're here, again.

After all, USMCA is the largest, fairest, most balanced, and modern trade agreement ever achieved. There’s never been anything like it.

It replaced a disastrous trade deal that rewarded outsourcing with a truly fair and reciprocal trade deal that kept jobs, wealth, and growth in America.

The agreement was a tremendous breakthrough for American agriculture. Canada finally provided greater access for American dairy. And it is a cutting-edge, state-of-the-art agreement that protects, defends, and serves the great people of America.



... So why is it another trade war, all the same nonsense, and 51st state bullshit?

 

[WAB]

Is there someplace you can direct me to learn what that means, I still have no clue. One kg of milk is 2.2lbs, that is a roughly a 1/4 of a gallon, the average cow producing 20 x that much in a day.

So the dairy owner has to pay someone or something 24,000 for every cow they want to add to their operation? Who do they have to pay? How much do they making per hundredweight to cover those insanely high costs to entry?

Google Canadian milk marketing board. You will quickly learn what they are up against.

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

Is there someplace you can direct me to learn what that means, I still have no clue. One kg of milk is 2.2lbs, that is a roughly a 1/4 of a gallon, the average cow producing 20 x that much in a day.

So the dairy owner has to pay someone or something 24,000 for every cow they want to add to their operation? Who do they have to pay? How much do they making per hundredweight to cover those insanely high costs to entry?

It’s per kg of milk fat , I’ll pm you some information tonight when I get home. Not only do they have to buy quota at 24000 per cow there has to be quota on the market to buy.

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

Was wondering if that might be per metric ton and not kilogram.

No per kg of milk fat

 

[OxfordTheCat]

Agreed.... But Canada can end it anytime it sees fit.

Really?

How? By becoming part of the US?
Surely you realize that's never going to happen.

We already had an agreement in place on all these issues. "The most fair and balanced trade agreement in history". The US reneged on it.

What good is a trade partner that doesn't abide by their own agreements?

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

Flying over you right now bud, on my way home from Ireland.

Be safe up there more that black cloud you see is just spruce brush an petroleum products nothing to worry about.

 

[YancyW]

It’s per kg of milk fat , I’ll pm you some information tonight when I get home. Not only do they have to buy quota at 24000 per cow there has to be quota on the market to buy.

Sweet Jesus, that sounds like a train wreck.

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

Agreed.... But Canada can end it anytime it sees fit.

Yes by knuckling under in the face of oppression should leave us in a favourable trading position the next time someone wants to renegotiate shouldn’t it?

 

[PHOENIX PHIL]

Google Canadian milk marketing board. You will quickly learn what they are up against.

From what little time I had to read it seems like in an effort to maintain Canadian dairy production, it has resulted in high prices for the Canadian consumer. That if the market was to allow US imports with no tariffs, it would wipe out the Canadian dairy farmers. But it would result in a far cheaper product for its citizens.

Am I correct or way off base here?

 

[YancyW]

Google Canadian milk marketing board. You will quickly learn what they are up against.

I found it, I am still very confused, but now have a much better high level view.

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

Sweet Jesus, that sounds like a train wreck.

It has its good and bad points my family has twice been negatively effected by it. That said it provides a dollar figure to the market share controlled by each farm and gives them an equity base to borrow against. Also helped to keep dairy farms as family operations instead of corporate owned.

 

[mdwest]

Yep.

Hard to believe we're here, again.

After all, USMCA is the largest, fairest, most balanced, and modern trade agreement ever achieved. There’s never been anything like it.

It replaced a disastrous trade deal that rewarded outsourcing with a truly fair and reciprocal trade deal that kept jobs, wealth, and growth in America.

The agreement was a tremendous breakthrough for American agriculture. Canada finally provided greater access for American dairy. And it is a cutting-edge, state-of-the-art agreement that protects, defends, and serves the great people of America.



... So why is it another trade war, all the same nonsense, and 51st state bullshit?

What trade deal are you referring to? USMCA replaces what disastrous trade deal?

If you're referring to NAFTA you might want to do some research since most trade and economy experts agree that USMCA was little more than a tweaking and a refresh of NAFTA with only 5 notable changes, 3 of which have nothing to do with tariffs, taxes, or any specific industry.. the 2 remaining issues that were tweaked are the things most often being complained about right now.. automobiles, dairy, environmental issues, digital rights/regulations, and labor laws were the focus of USMCA tweaks to NAFTA...

the labor law changes were specifically drafted into USMCA because Mexico wasn't adhering to the requirements of NAFTA.. so they tightened up the language (big deal.. no real changes have occurred even after the language was tightened up).. the digital rights piece only has to do with where companies operating in another country are allowed to store their data (basically if a Canadian firm is operating in the US it can store its data in Canada, and vice-versa).. The environmental changes simply ear marked $600M in environmental clean up in very specific places, such as the sewage spillovers from Tijuana that were harmful to San Diego..

Which leaves us with autos and dairy.. which are very clearly unbalanced.. (whether justified or not)..

If you want to go pre-NAFTA.. well.. there was the US/Canada Free Trade Agreement, and the US/Mexico Free Trade Agreement... negotiated during the Reagan administration.. that was 1988 however... Id say what constituted a reasonable trade deal more than 35 years ago very likely doesn't look anything like a reasonable trade deal today... which is why trade deals (like USMCA) get re-regotiated on a schedule or have sunset clauses built into them..

Your argument reflects a complete lack of understanding of USMCA/NAFTA..

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

From what little time I had to read it seems like in an effort to maintain Canadian dairy production, it has resulted in high prices for the Canadian consumer. That if the market was to allow US imports with no tariffs, it would wipe out the Canadian dairy farmers. But it would result in a far cheaper product for its citizens.

Am I correct or way off base here?

That’s the jist of it