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Seems with the escalation in Gaza and the shit show that has been Ukraine, everyone should dust off a copy of Smedley Butler’s “War is a Racket”. To best understand the nonsense our “elected leaders” world wide play on us.
 
Seemed like the appropriate place to put this. The new US Embassy in Windhoek, Namibia. Our tax dollars at work. Seen from the Thule Hotel.
 

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Any boots on ground thoughts on the "uprising" in UK ?

Is it real or is the media hyper focused?

I read the new pm is considering lockdowns to put a stop to it.
That would be so blatantly anti-native Brits as to that I can hardly believe it.
 
Any boots on ground thoughts on the "uprising" in UK ?

Is it real or is the media hyper focused?

I read the new pm is considering lockdowns to put a stop to it.
That would be so blatantly anti-native Brits as to that I can hardly believe it.
From what I can tell from my friends and family there, it seems extremely overblown.

Just the usual story with this kind of stuff. A very unfortunate criminal case, false claims on social media claiming that the defendant was an immigrant (note, he was British born) which sparked riots in a couple major cities from some fringe right wing parties. All the usual scumbags then took the chance to commit petty crime and steal stuff.

At this point it's just your run of the mill civil unrest, criminal element driven looting, just the same as the BLM 'protests' devolved into. Any claims that this is a great political 'uprising', or even particularly indicative of popular sentiment have no more truth than the BLM riots representing some great groundswell of popular support. It's just a narrative being pushed on right wing sites this time instead of left wing ones.

It'll die out organically in a week or so, but I feel for the people who have to deal with the property damage and losses in the interim.
 
Thx for that.
Its just that the pm felt a need to address it so I wondered if it was significant.
 
Thx for that.
Its just that the pm felt a need to address it so I wondered if it was significant.
I guess it's 'significant' in being the largest instance of riots in about a decade, but I don't think it's politically or socially significant beyond that. Nor do I think it'll enact any significant change to the political landscape or to policy.
 
As I'm on this topic and some people seem interested, some general commentary on the UK 'immigration' politics thing. Just my own opinions, not based on any great insight.

There is certainly some popular support for more stringent immigration control in the UK. This has mostly emerged in the last 20 years or so with a couple of parties such as the 'English Defense League (EDL)', 'British National Party (BNP)' and (to some extent) the UK Independence Party (UKIP)' being formed off the back of it.

However, the topic isn't a big factor for the majority of people and so the parties remain niche. The most successful of them has been UKIP (now Reform), who attained 14.3% of the vote in 2024. Note, UKIP is the most moderate of the 3 mentioned, and also the ones least explicitly anti-immigration, being more concerned with European separation and UK independence. They gained popularity over Brexit and are now trying to remain relevant. You might say that immigration is one of UKIP/Reform voters' top 5 issues, but probably isn't number one. I expect it's not the main driver for their support either.

The others never broke 1% of the vote at any time and have basically disappeared after the peaks in roughly 2010. I'd say they occupy a similar spot to the US Tea Party or the more extreme left wing parties. They have some support, enough to get some airtime, but not nearly enough to actually have a chance of forming a government.

Also worth noting that neither major party has really touched the topic in terms of manifestos or policy. The 'moderate right wing' conservative party pays some lip service on occasion, but both parties know that this isn't an issue that'll gain them much, so they just leave well enough alone.

As for these current riots and why now, I'd attribute it to a couple of factors.

#1. the latest election has once again been a pretty comprehensive failure for these parties. They gained some of the vote (around 15% as mentioned), but due to peculiarities in the UK election system, they have attained only 5 seats in parliament (0.8% of seats).

#2. What's worse, they achieved this loss whilst Labour, the 'moderate left wing' party in UK politics, won a landslide. Labour supports none of these parties policies. At all. As such, the people who do make up these parties, especially the more fringe ones like the EDL, are feeling pretty frustrated and disenfrachised. It's clear to them that conventional political means aren't going to get them anywhere and I'm sure they're not attributing that to their lack of popular support, at least internally.

#3. It's summer and the weather is nice. Sounds silly, but nice weather and rioting are incredibly closely correlated. Guess these people care enough to go protest, but not if they'll get damp or chilly in doing so. Also, we're currently in the off-season for Premiere League Football and the UK just lost the Euros. Again, sounds ridiculous, but the demographic for a lot of those parties coincides heavily with spending their time watching 'the footie' and I expect they might not have bothered going out if it interfered with game day.

Throw in a bit of a spark in some criminal proceedings and here we are.
 
I don't know. Some of those folks protesting may just be tired of the open doors border policy embraced and pushed by the left. I dont defend the rioters. On the other hand, the UK is a small place and many fear the rising islamification and the immigrants and their descendants criminal activities and refusal to intigrate into the country. Maybe.
 
Seemed like the appropriate place to put this. The new US Embassy in Windhoek, Namibia. Our tax dollars at work. Seen from the Thule Hotel.

I have driven by and seen the new embassy compound as well. A bit over done for the State Department in a country of < 3m. Southern most country with which the US has stable relations in which to monitor Antarctica and the southern oceans seems to make more sense.
 
Any boots on ground thoughts on the "uprising" in UK ?

Is it real or is the media hyper focused?

I read the new pm is considering lockdowns to put a stop to it.
That would be so blatantly anti-native Brits as to that I can hardly believe it.
The weather has been hot and humid here the last week after months of cold wet weather which means people come out drink and hang about looking for trouble as soon as it gets wet and cold which will not be long coming. They will all stay home watch soaps on the telly and be back smoking weed . and have something to tell there 10 kids. If you look up gray tracksuit man uk riots it will just about sum them up.
 
I don't know. Some of those folks protesting may just be tired of the open doors border policy embraced and pushed by the left. I dont defend the rioters. On the other hand, the UK is a small place and many fear the rising islamification and the immigrants and their descendants criminal activities and refusal to intigrate into the country. Maybe.
Quite likely. The original protest (I won't call it 'legitimate', but perhaps 'issue driven') was sparked by that general feeling amongst a certain subset of the population. It is a thing (for some), (some) people do care, I've met plenty of them. The government is certainly not paying any attention to their concerns there, so I'm not surprised it escalated into some civil unrest. The fact that it quickly devolved into a general excuse to riot, damage property, and steal by people totally disinterested in 'the issue' is pretty standard for most political protests and doesn't necessarily detract from the original point (although it 100% does for most voters who don't see the difference).

I just don't think it's nearly important enough an issue to nearly enough people to be all that relevant in terms of overall politics or social dynamics. This is an issue of genuine concern for maybe 2% of the population. It's an issue that even sits on the radar of maybe 15%. The rest don't give a crap.

Now it has got some attention, but just like the 'Just Stop Oil' stuff, or the BLM stuff, it's actually persuaded a whole slew of otherwise disinterested people to actively oppose them.
 
3. It's summer and the weather is nice. Sounds silly, but nice weather and rioting are incredibly closely correlated. Guess these people care enough to go protest, but not if they'll get damp or chilly in doing so. Also, we're currently in the off-season for Premiere League Football and the UK just lost the Euros. Again, sounds ridiculous, but the demographic for a lot of those parties coincides heavily with spending their time watching 'the footie' and I expect they might not have bothered going out if it interfered with game day.

Throw in a bit of a spark in some criminal proceedings and here we are.

yeap nailed it Alistair
 
I have driven by and seen the new embassy compound as well. A bit over done for the State Department in a country of < 3m. Southern most country with which the US has stable relations in which to monitor Antarctica and the southern oceans seems to make more sense.
I’m probably displaying my ignorance here but I wonder if it has anything to do with the major oil finds and projects that are ramping up?
 

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